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Better link for the MN marriage debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Bg_rO0PpY
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ThirdPartyView posted:What's the status of the legislation in Illinois? The House has until May 31 (when Assembly adjourns) to vote on it, and then it's too late.
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May 10, 2013 00:32
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Sweeney Tom posted:The House has until May 31 (when Assembly adjourns) to vote on it, and then it's too late. What are the odds that they will actually move on the legislation? Wikipedia says the Illinois House has a 71-47 Democrat to Republican split and the Illinois Senate is 40-19, but is there a lot of Blue Dog-types that make the odds pretty long to see anything done in the next three weeks?
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May 10, 2013 00:36
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ThirdPartyView posted:What are the odds that they will actually move on the legislation? Wikipedia says the Illinois House has a 71-47 Democrat to Republican split and the Illinois Senate is 40-19, but is there a lot of Blue Dog-types that make the odds pretty long to see anything done in the next three weeks? The reason they've taken so long is the Speaker, like the Speaker in Minnesota, won't call a hearing until he knows they have enough votes to pass it. In Minnesota, that was extremely easy. Considering that in Illinois it's their last stop before it's legal, and they need something like 60 guaranteed votes, it's easier said than done.
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May 10, 2013 00:40
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They've had something in the low to mid 50s for about 2 months now. It's hard to believe they can't just buy the last handful of votes. Hopefully falling behind Minnesota will shame them into action. If it fails you should still have complete confidence in the state lawsuit, but that could take another year or two to wind through the courts.
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Assuming that SCOTUS doesn't hand down some sort of sweeping ruling in the near future, I wonder if there will ever come to a point where NOM throws in the towel. It would be hilarious to see NOM still claiming that the public opposes gay marriage when it's legal everywhere except for Mississippi.
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May 10, 2013 00:49
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Another tribe just legalized it too. They're the 3rd tribe to do so. Yay! http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2013/05/08/3001329/suquamish-among-3-tribes-in-nation.html quote:Scholars note that before their introduction to Christianity, many tribes accepted their gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender members as “two spirits,” even giving them added respect because they were thought to have special powers
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:
Hey, we legalised it first. We just forgot to say "No take backs." 
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MaxxBot posted:Assuming that SCOTUS doesn't hand down some sort of sweeping ruling in the near future, I wonder if there will ever come to a point where NOM throws in the towel. It would be hilarious to see NOM still claiming that the public opposes gay marriage when it's legal everywhere except for Mississippi. They're still claiming it even though even every poll says the majority of the population supports it. I think they'll finally self-destruct once Texas legalizes it.
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Sefer posted:Hey, we legalised it first. We just forgot to say "No take backs." In conclusion gently caress the mormon church.
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May 10, 2013 01:20
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Sweeney Tom posted:They're still claiming it even though even every poll says the majority of the population supports it. Well some Texan judge did just say they can wave tons of bible quotes around sports again, so they're still a ways away from the 21st century.
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So my question is, which state will be the very last to legalize same-sex marriage? I live in Georgia so I'm going to say Georgia. (I'm aware that in reality a bunch of states will probably tie for last when we get a nationwide ruling)
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Slate Action posted:So my question is, which state will be the very last to legalize same-sex marriage? I live in Georgia so I'm going to say Georgia. A bunch at the same time in a supreme court at some point in the future, in the same vein as Lawrence vs Texas. Edit: Either I don't read posts or maybe you edited your post between when I read your post and clicked quote Tim Selaty Jr fucked around with this message at 02:00 on May 10, 2013 |
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May 10, 2013 01:36
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Slate Action posted:So my question is, which state will be the very last to legalize same-sex marriage? I live in Georgia so I'm going to say Georgia. Mississippi. It's always Mississippi.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Mississippi. It's always Mississippi. Alabama 
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Van5 posted:Alabama Oklahoma
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Mississippi only needs public support to fix their constitution. Alabama would also require the legislature. I think Idaho and Utah are strong bets unless the LDS Church has a revelation.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Mississippi only needs public support to fix their constitution. Alabama would also require the legislature. The Mormons have been slowly and quietly moving away from being extremely anti-gay for a few years now. A large chunk of their church(especially the young) are pro-gay marriage, and the LDS church is really good at jumping on board the equality train to prevent membership losses(as late as humanly possible of course).
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effectual posted:Another tribe just legalized it too. They're the 3rd tribe to do so. Yay! That's fantastic. I remember hearing an interview on NPR where a tribal spokesperson of that Michigan tribe who recently legalized it said something to the effect of "we didn't have a problem with them until you forced your religion on us  "
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Former Florida Governor Charlie Crist announced his support for marriage equality today.Charlie Crist posted:Some great news: On Tuesday, Delaware became the 11th state to allow marriage equality. And just a few days ago, Rhode Island adopted a similar measure, which followed victories last fall in Maine, Maryland and Washington. I most certainly support marriage equality in Florida and look forward to the day it happens here. In other news, Ohio's Democratic party endorsed marriage equality and the repeal of the state's gay marriage ban today. In an email to supporters, the party asked, “Isn’t it time that we make Ohio the 12th state to embrace equality?” a reference to the recent passage of a marriage bill in Delaware. The organization also unveiled a fundraising campaign revolving around the issue.
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May 10, 2013 05:27
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Sweeney Tom posted:“Isn’t it time that we make Ohio the 12th state to embrace equality?”  (By the by, what was the 7th state to legalize marriage equality?)
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May 10, 2013 05:42
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Generally speaking, can you bundle together one piece of legislation to amend the state Constitution to allow same sex marriage again and then pass it into law or does it have to be a 2 step process or what?
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May 10, 2013 05:43
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Gen. Ripper posted:Minnesota will beat you, but hey, you can at least accept being that oh-so-lucky number 13! Washington. Loving Life Partner posted:Generally speaking, can you bundle together one piece of legislation to amend the state Constitution to allow same sex marriage again and then pass it into law or does it have to be a 2 step process or what? Probably at the least a two step process as IIRC most states with a constitutional ban also have it as against state law. You aren't going to be able to amend the constitution and law in the same step. Fuck You And Diebold fucked around with this message at 05:57 on May 10, 2013 |
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greatn posted:Oklahoma South Carolina 
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Washington. This is the amendment proposed for Oregon in 2014. (It is surprisingly hard to find in a useful format so it's an image instead of text)  e: Nevada is also working on a similar amendment. For what it's worth, it did start as a pure repeal and the legalization of same sex marriage was added later. quote:RESOLVED BY THE SENATE AND ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF NEVADA JOINTLY, That Section 21 of Article 1 of the Nevada Constitution be amended to read as follows: UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 06:58 on May 10, 2013 |
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Yessssssss, this is fantastic!  When this becomes law on Aug. 1, gonna make so much cash officiating gay marriages!
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Illinois Governor Quinn today demanded the House vote on and pass the marriage equality bill before the session ends May 31. A source told the Chicago Phoenix the bill has 58 votes guaranteed; it needs 60 to pass.
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Sweeney Tom posted:Illinois Governor Quinn today demanded the House vote on and pass the marriage equality bill before the session ends May 31. A source told the Chicago Phoenix the bill has 58 votes guaranteed; it needs 60 to pass. A state rep is most likely waiting to be the last holdout. Then they'll have got this thing and itll be loving golden, and, uh, they're not giving it up for loving nothing.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Peggy Scott crying like a little baby "This isn't what we should be doing right now." I absolutely love this mealy mouthed GOP claim that this session was supposed to be about the Budget and nothing but the Budget. Well then maybe you shitheads shouldn't have spent your time last year fighting for an anti-gay marriage constitutional amendment! We do have an every-two-years budget process here. So generally odd-numbered years are focused on doing the budget, since we have a fun clause in the state constitution that shuts down most of the government if they don't pass one. However, consider that Question 1 was passed by the legislature before we got to vote on it. And it was passed in the legislature in 2011. And 2011 is an odd-numbered year. That's right, folks: Peggy Scott voted for an anti gay marriage bill during a budget year. You can't make this stuff up. quote:In short, we all need to thank the MNGOP for loving up so badly at constitutionally banning gay marriage that they actually got it legalized. Even if you leave out the incompetence of the state GOP, this is Minnesota in a nutshell. It makes more sense when you consider some of our other qualities: we elected The Body and Stuart Smalley to statewide office, our old anti-video-game law fined the underage kid buying the game instead of the store selling it, and we have a state statute that literally says "it is not illegal to be drunk in public".
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Any state that can send both Al Franken and Michelle Bachmann to Congress is unusual, to say the least.
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The Minnesota marriage equality progress is even better if only for how Michelle Bachmann must be reacting to it all.
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Sweeney Tom posted:The Minnesota marriage equality progress is even better if only for how Michelle Bachmann must be reacting to it all. Is there a big enough forest in Minnesota that she can hide behind?
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Sweeney Tom posted:The Minnesota marriage equality progress is even better if only for how Michelle Bachmann must be reacting to it all. Probably something like this 
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ThirdPartyView posted:Is there a big enough forest in Minnesota that she can hide behind? Amused to Death posted:Probably something like this For those who aren't familiar: back when Bachmann was a state legislator, she decided to scope out a pro-equality rally at the Capitol. This pic is of her, hiding behind some bushes. She claims she was getting a rock out of her shoe, but either way it's probably the funniest picture MN politics has produced in at least the past decade.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:For those who aren't familiar: back when Bachmann was a state legislator, she decided to scope out a pro-equality rally at the Capitol. This pic is of her, hiding behind some bushes. She claims she was getting a rock out of her shoe, but either way it's probably the funniest picture MN politics has produced in at least the past decade. I thought she claimed she was tying her laces? Also Franken is in the Senate where Bachmann is in the House, AND she only barely won with loving dumptruck loads of out of state money. IIRC she spent something like 6x the money of her opponent and still only won by a narrow margin as an incumbent.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:I thought she claimed she was tying her laces? Also Franken is in the Senate where Bachmann is in the House, AND she only barely won with loving dumptruck loads of out of state money. IIRC she spent something like 6x the money of her opponent and still only won by a narrow margin as an incumbent.
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Casimir Radon posted:And her district is gerrymandered to hell and back, hopefully she'll be gone in two years. I'm holding out hope that gay marriage being legalized here will convince a lot of the bigots that Minnesota is a lost cause, and they'll pack up and leave for real this time. Bachmann will hold on to the bitter end, and then demand a recount. Short of Dorothy splashing a bucket of water in her face, I can't imagine ever being rid of that horrible woman.
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I know the discussion in this thread has moved to Minnesota now, but here's a nice political cartoon I found relating to the victory in Delaware. (That's supposed to be the State Flag, for those who were unfamiliar)
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I don't know if it's been posted yet, but Philly has passed some pretty good poo poo (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/LGBT-Gender-Neutral-Restrooms-206932591.html). Though the title of the article is about gender neutral restrooms, that's far from the only thing it does. In a state controlled by regressive politicians that use gerrymandering to ignore the wishes of its citizens, the city of Philadelphia has begun offering tax credits to businesses that afford the same protections and rights to the partners of LGBT folks that it does to heterosexual spouses; and has made discriminating against the transgendered a thing of the past.
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Phobeste posted:made discriminating against the transgendered a thing of the past. I would genuinely love to see one city on this planet where that is true.
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