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Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth

Cheers. I am in Australia.
Well your advice sounds pretty solid, and everything I'm reading seems to be steering away from the 2000FC.
Thanks heaps for the link to KEH, that looks great and to save me a lot of money :)
Definitely digging the square format at the moment and want something I can make a long term investment in, plus I've wanted to get back into film for a while now (havent done it since high school :P) it'll only be a 'special occasion' camera and will only come out on intentional outings and trips down south, and I have a tendency to be clumsy so perhaps the 500CM will do, found some good cond. cheap ones on KEH.

Thanks again for the advice

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eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

Mega Itch posted:

Hey I'm thinking about testing out macro/close-ups on my SQ-A. Are those bellows a cheap Chinese knock-off or are they original, if it's the former, where can I find 'em? Also, could extension rings get me closer? I've seen them on eBay going for acceptable prices.

...and now I need to check the macro thread.

No, they're the Bronica made bellows.

Extension rings will definitely work, as far as I know the only ones made for the SQ came in 18mm and 36mm. One 36mm ring with the 80mm lens gets to about .5 magnification. Here is a handy chart for the extension tubes that has exposure factor and everything. I never did find out if you could stack multiple extension tubes on the SQ, but I would imagine that you can.

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc

Mannequin posted:

It will happen to these too, eventually. Sorry to rain on your parade.

Pentax already discontinued the 67ii in 2009, sorry to parade on your rain.

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth
Another q: apparently the 50mm f/4 distagon for the 500c/m has a 63mm filter thread (some varying between like 62.65mm etc), but I'm having trouble finding out if I can get an adapter ring to put my cokin p-series bracket onto the end of it for ND/GND filter use... or how I could go about this?

alkanphel
Mar 24, 2004

Sludge Tank posted:

Another q: apparently the 50mm f/4 distagon for the 500c/m has a 63mm filter thread (some varying between like 62.65mm etc), but I'm having trouble finding out if I can get an adapter ring to put my cokin p-series bracket onto the end of it for ND/GND filter use... or how I could go about this?

I suspect you might need this retaining ring, which turns your 63 into a 67. I guess you're using the older 50/4 C lens?

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc

Sludge Tank posted:

Another q: apparently the 50mm f/4 distagon for the 500c/m has a 63mm filter thread (some varying between like 62.65mm etc), but I'm having trouble finding out if I can get an adapter ring to put my cokin p-series bracket onto the end of it for ND/GND filter use... or how I could go about this?

It's not actually a threaded 63mm filter ring it's Bay 60 you can find adapters cheap on ebay.

alkanphel
Mar 24, 2004

8th-samurai posted:

It's not actually a threaded 63mm filter ring it's Bay 60 you can find adapters cheap on ebay.

The older 50/4 use threaded bayonets, they only switched to B60 for CF and B70 for Cfi I believe.

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc

alkanphel posted:

The older 50/4 use threaded bayonets, they only switched to B60 for CF and B70 for Cfi I believe.

Yeah, the older ones are Series 8 but a 67mm filter should screw right into that.

EDIT: Oops, wrong about the bay 60 thing. For some reason i was thinking the 50m didn't get the T* coating until the CF model. The retaining ring listed earlier should work but I think most 67mm filters will screw into it fine as long as you are careful.

8th-snype fucked around with this message at 07:06 on May 11, 2013

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth
Sorry yeah it's a 50mm f/4 C T (black), that's all the info I can get on it as far as I can tell, KEH doesn't have serial numbers or anything I can pull a date from..

Sludge Tank fucked around with this message at 06:40 on May 11, 2013

alkanphel
Mar 24, 2004

Sludge Tank posted:

Sorry yeah it's a 50mm f/4 C T (black), that's all the info I can get on it as far as I can tell, KEH doesn't have serial numbers or anything I can pull a date from..

Usually the model of the lens will give us the clue. I'd recommend getting the CF version at least if you can afford it.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

If you're going to shoot color/slide film (and you should, because medium format slides are amazing) I'd recommend the better coatings, yes.

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc

evil_bunnY posted:

If you're going to shoot color/slide film (and you should, because medium format slides are amazing) I'd recommend the better coatings, yes.

I don't think they changed the coatings much over the years. Anything with the T* is multicoated.

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth
Went for the 50mm f/4 CFI T*FLE instead.

edit: I understand this might be a really subjective question but is there any recommendation towards film I should use for landscaping (b&w or colour). I prefer to have darker/moodier landscapes than bright or happy too if that helps.

Sludge Tank fucked around with this message at 13:47 on May 11, 2013

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc
You can never go wrong with Portra 400 or Acros.

alkanphel
Mar 24, 2004

I'd try TMAX 400 or Acros for b&w, and Portra 400 or Provia 100F for colour.

BrosephofArimathea
Jan 31, 2005

I've finally come to grips with the fact that the sky fucking fell.
Did my first c41 processing today. It was dead easy.

$15/roll -> $1.90/roll.


queensland 6.jpg by alexbeare, on Flickr


queensland 8.jpg by alexbeare, on Flickr


Queensland19-Edit.jpg by alexbeare, on Flickr

Sludge Tank posted:

edit: I understand this might be a really subjective question but is there any recommendation towards film I should use for landscaping (b&w or colour). I prefer to have darker/moodier landscapes than bright or happy too if that helps.

For darker/moodier, Ektar or Reala. Maybe 100VS, if you wanna go positive.

Do a search on Flickr for a feel of what different films look like under different light.

BrosephofArimathea fucked around with this message at 14:57 on May 12, 2013

Sludge Tank
Jul 31, 2007

by Azathoth
edit: NEVER MIND

Sludge Tank fucked around with this message at 07:09 on May 13, 2013

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

joelcamefalling posted:

Did my first c41 processing today. It was dead easy.

Me too! They're drying now, not sure when I'll get a chance to scan them. Going to try and run through the rest of my backlog (~11 rolls) this week before the chems get too stale.

BrosephofArimathea
Jan 31, 2005

I've finally come to grips with the fact that the sky fucking fell.

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Me too! They're drying now, not sure when I'll get a chance to scan them. Going to try and run through the rest of my backlog (~11 rolls) this week before the chems get too stale.

I only had 5 rolls waiting, and that was about the right amount before I got sick of it and stopped. I need a bigger tank. Either way, 5 rolls means the kit already paid for itself twice over, thanks to Australia being a scam.

The Tetenal kit I was using said the mixed chems have a shelf life of 4 weeks, but according to a couple of threads on Flickr, they will easily last a couple of months - and some guy on APUG was still using the same soup after a year and a half.

Most people seem to get ~20 rolls out of it before it starts going downhill, which would be pretty awesome.

Only real problem was that I got some pretty hardcore watermarks down two rolls; can't see it in the scans, though.

BrosephofArimathea fucked around with this message at 15:01 on May 12, 2013

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

joelcamefalling posted:

I only had 5 rolls waiting, and that was about the right amount before I got sick of it and stopped. I need a bigger tank.
This was exactly my experience - it's good fun, but gets pretty tedious by the third or fourth time you're pouring in developer.

joelcamefalling posted:


The Tetenal kit I was using said the mixed chems have a shelf life of 4 weeks, but according to a couple of threads on Flickr, they will easily last a couple of months - and some guy on APUG was still using the same soup after a year and a half.
Most people seem to get ~20 rolls out of it before it starts going downhill, which would be pretty awesome.
Interesting. I've got a Tetenal E-6 kit that I've been saving up rolls before I use; I'm up to either 11 or 12, and I was planning on using it on 12 - that's what the box says.
When I used my (not Tetenal) C-41 kit, none of the rolls showed any signs of used-up chemicals, so I guess I could have squeezed out a few more - I did 12 rolls (mix of 135 and 120) for a kit that said 8, or +50% if you use the chemicals quickly after opening. I did all 12 rolls over one weekend, which was really enough work for a weekend - probably around 8 or 10 hours total spread over two days.

I guess all this means it's time to buy some 120 slide film!

EDIT: eBay makes spending money way too easy. Velvia 50 on its way.

ExecuDork fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 12, 2013

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

I just ordered a c-41 kit, now I need to shoot more c-41 before it shows up.

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

Mr. Despair posted:

I just ordered a c-41 kit, now I need to shoot more c-41 before it shows up.

Shoot more C-41 than the kit can handle, so you have an excuse to buy another kit...

Spedman
Mar 12, 2010

Kangaroos hate Hasselblads
Put the dev in the fridge in a bottle with the air squeezed out if you're not going to use it in the next week or so, it'll greatly extend its lifetime. Otherwise it'll slowly degrade/oxidise into a black sludge.

squidflakes
Aug 27, 2009


SHORTBUS
I really need to get better organized with my Crown Graphic. I must have forgotten to mark a film holder and turn the slide the proper way after taking a shot because I ruined what should have been my first really nice nature shot with some crazy double exposure non-sense.

Have a look, its like the ghosts of Steampunk Pass invaded my perfectly good pond picture.

Genderfluid
Jun 18, 2009

my mom is a slut

squidflakes posted:

I really need to get better organized with my Crown Graphic. I must have forgotten to mark a film holder and turn the slide the proper way after taking a shot because I ruined what should have been my first really nice nature shot with some crazy double exposure non-sense.

Have a look, its like the ghosts of Steampunk Pass invaded my perfectly good pond picture.



That nature shot looks fairly boring so it's probably an improvement

BrosephofArimathea
Jan 31, 2005

I've finally come to grips with the fact that the sky fucking fell.
I was getting tons of highlight clipping and shadow noise, and turns out Silverfast is the problem, since it's a peice of junk unless you pay them an extra $140 to get 'advanced' things like 16 bit color, the ability to rotate crops, an actual histogram to make sure you are scanning the whole range, etc.

Started using EpsonScan. It's basic, but solved those problems. Manually dragging level endpoints twice for every frame is annoying and means color consistency is... not - but its better than giving Silverfast $140.

Ektaring.


20130514-img014.jpg by alexbeare, on Flickr


20130514-img015.jpg by alexbeare, on Flickr


20130513-img005.jpg by alexbeare, on Flickr

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

joelcamefalling posted:

Started using EpsonScan. It's basic, but solved those problems. Manually dragging level endpoints twice for every frame is annoying and means color consistency is... not - but its better than giving Silverfast $140.


I'm a weirdo that likes EpsonScan, it gets the color great most of the time and when it doesn't it's usually because the sky is blown out and EpsonScan tries to make it not blown out so I just drag the whites thingy over and it looks good again (good enough for me anyway). I'm beginning to shoot more color film so maybe I'll end up using something more advanced, but EpsonScan is great for me. I already have Vuescan because EpsonScan didn't work on whatever version of OSX I had when I bought my scanner and it's ok. I downloaded a demo for Silverfast and I didn't like it either though.

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

My best tip for Epson Scan: scan your negatives as 48 bit positives and do all of the inversion work yourself in Photoshop.

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

dukeku posted:

My best tip for Epson Scan: scan your negatives as 48 bit positives and do all of the inversion work yourself in Photoshop.

This is what I do. I also mash the auto exposure button in Epson Scan instead of doing any real work.

Fuji reala:


c41003.jpg by MrDespair, on Flickr


c41002.jpg by MrDespair, on Flickr

Portra:


c41014.jpg by MrDespair, on Flickr


c41018.jpg by MrDespair, on Flickr

Dr. Despair fucked around with this message at 18:00 on May 17, 2013

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Pal, that poo poo owns.

Wyeth
Apr 19, 2012

This photograph has balls.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
And a slight magenta cast

Wyeth
Apr 19, 2012

QPZIL posted:

And a slight magenta cast

Yeah, I like it. Makes for an otherworldly thing.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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Now I know what you mean by "Reala has a magenta cast". I don't think your inversion approach works as well as you think, as I've never seen that in any of my Reala scans despite sometimes being way off on the exposure.

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc

Paul MaudDib posted:

Now I know what you mean by "Reala has a magenta cast". I don't think your inversion approach works as well as you think, as I've never seen that in any of my Reala scans despite sometimes being way off on the exposure.

No I have had that same problem with expired Reala and I use Silverfast's negafix for inversion.

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

Paul MaudDib posted:

Now I know what you mean by "Reala has a magenta cast". I don't think your inversion approach works as well as you think, as I've never seen that in any of my Reala scans despite sometimes being way off on the exposure.

There's 2 ways of explaining this.

1: I'm still terrible with adjusting curves and levels to get color right, especially I'm too lazy to calibrate my monitor

2: The reala I was shooting expired in 2007 and I was shooting at it's rated speed still.

Also I looked back at the tif in lightroom and the tint is actually set to +21 magenta. So I'm not sure if the magenta tint is necessarily from it being expired as poo poo, or just because of me trying to get the picture to look ok with the shadows look like complete rear end. So try not to blame the technique, blame the user. I do think I need to shoot the rest of this reala at 50 iso or something though.

e. Also this is probably the same batch of reala that 8th-samurai used, so I'm glad it's not just me.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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It wouldn't surprise me to learn that old batch is shifting as it expires or something. I haven't really seen it with my fresh film though, nor the pile of questionably-dated but cold-stored film I took canoeing a couple summers ago.

You can adjust color balance in the highlights/shadows directly in scanner without affecting the overall balance by using the white/black points for each channel. I try to scan the whole histogram and that usually results in yellow skies (on any film) so I'm used to tweaking it by hand.

Holistic Detective
Feb 2, 2008

effing the ineffable
Having finally got my hands on a decently accurate light meter I finally had the confidence to shoot some Velvia:


Purple Lines by Tim Breeze, on Flickr


Wet Tracks by Tim Breeze, on Flickr


Maze by Tim Breeze, on Flickr


Ferns by Tim Breeze, on Flickr

:gizz:

spf3million
Sep 27, 2007

hit 'em with the rhythm
Dat Velvia. unghghh

I'm thinking about picking up a small MF folder for hiking/backpacking. Has anyone used a Voigtlander Perkeo II?

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VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

Saint Fu posted:

Dat Velvia. unghghh

I'm thinking about picking up a small MF folder for hiking/backpacking. Has anyone used a Voigtlander Perkeo II?

I haven't used that specific folder but I have used lots of other folders. (Super Ikonta III, Mamiya 6, Olympus Six, Isolette)
Basically they all have their quirks, also you need to absolutely make sure that the bellows is fine. Looking into it isn't enough - a strong directional light and darkness are the best ways to find out if it's okay. Or a sacrificial B&W roll, I guess.

That said folders are nice, but you sacrifice features as well as image quality for the portability. How much? Well, my triplet TLR beats my coated Tessar Super Ikonta in terms of sharpness and evenness of the sharpness over the frame. That said, it usually still outdoes 35mm and you get that nice medium format look. It also gives images a bit of an retro look as the image frame isn't usually sharply defined.

One last tip - advance the film *after* you open the folder - otherwise it creates a vacuum sucking the film towards the lens and your sharpness goes right out of the window; unless you shoot at f/11 or smaller, which isn't always an option.

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