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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, I don't understand how Kicktraq calculates its leaderboard. It's had Stonehearth consistently at the top for the past two weeks, even though other projects seem to be way out crazy ahead of them in terms of funding -- for example, Hex has garnered $100,000 more with a third as many backers in less than half the time. Call me crazy but I feel like the more people willing to pay for something, even if the amount they are willing to pay is lower, is better than a minority willing to pay larger sums. So assuming the same number of people see each project the likely hood of someone pledging for Stonehearth is higher because it appeals to a greater audience. Now obviously there is some break even point where if the amount pledged per person drops below a threshold it's no longer in Stonehearths favor. So my guess is Kicktraq is somehow calculating those break even points to derive a ranking.
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Lord Lambeth posted:The fact that they only have 7 people is probably why they took that weird episodic development. They really should have assembled a larger team. One that didn't include Dyack. That would be the team I would actually trust to make a successor to Eternal Darkness. To this day I have no idea how they managed to make something as brilliant as that, and they seem to be just as confused as I am.
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Coldrice posted:As far as I'm concerned your bitcrobes can poop rainbows and cause infertility in female players if you'd like! Whoops, I somehow dropped 50 bucks into this goal. How the heck did that happen?
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Don Gato posted:That would be the team I would actually trust to make a successor to Eternal Darkness. To this day I have no idea how they managed to make something as brilliant as that, and they seem to be just as confused as I am. The long and short of it is that nintendo had a bigger hand in it than just being a publisher. If only Dyack and his ego understood this.
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Harlock posted:PC and Wii U, that's uh, rather two platforms picked out of a hat. It makes sense, really. PC because it's really hard to convince people to back a kickstarter that won't have a PC release, and Wii U because a lot of ED fans are Nintendo fans, and the developers worked with Nintendo in the past. It's pretty much everything else about the project that makes no sense. Their campaign wasn't getting nearly enough support to make their goal so... they're going to start a second campaign run in parallel? They don't realize that this won't expand the potential audience for it by a whole lot and will only serve to split what little funding they're getting between two sources? It pretty much guarantees that they will never make their funding goal. I don't get how they can be so incredibly bad at this.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:They don't realize that this won't expand the potential audience for it by a whole lot and will only serve to split what little funding they're getting between two sources?
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xgalaxy posted:Call me crazy but I feel like the more people willing to pay for something, even if the amount they are willing to pay is lower, is better than a minority willing to pay larger sums. So assuming the same number of people see each project the likely hood of someone pledging for Stonehearth is higher because it appeals to a greater audience. Now obviously there is some break even point where if the amount pledged per person drops below a threshold it's no longer in Stonehearths favor. So my guess is Kicktraq is somehow calculating those break even points to derive a ranking. That makes sense. Two god-forsaken fools (presumably, Gabe and Tycho) have pledged 10k each for Hex, so I imagine that's shifting the bid averages a bit. I have to admit I don't get online card games. If I'm online I want to play a computer game. I'm not saying that as a value judgment, I just honestly don't understand -- I've still got my shoebox of Revised Edition MTG cards, but for me trading card games are like board games, they're something to play with actual flesh people, perhaps when the internet is down. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 05:37 on May 14, 2013 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That makes sense. Two god-forsaken fools (presumably, Gabe and Tycho) have pledged 10k each for Hex, so I imagine that's shifting the bid averages a bit. The real draw for an online CCG is limited play - Sealed/Draft. It's nice to be able to do something like that whenever you want, even/especially at oddball times. Niton fucked around with this message at 05:48 on May 14, 2013 |
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Lord Lambeth posted:The long and short of it is that nintendo had a bigger hand in it than just being a publisher. If only Dyack and his ego understood this. quote:The next year [Miyamoto would] be a huge influence over Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, an American made game in which Miyamoto heavily assisted.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, I don't understand how Kicktraq calculates its leaderboard. It's had Stonehearth consistently at the top for the past two weeks, even though other projects seem to be way out crazy ahead of them in terms of funding -- for example, Hex has garnered $100,000 more with a third as many backers in less than half the time. I'm pretty sure the top 10 on the front of Kicktraq is based entirely on the number of views the Kicktraq page for that project has received today, and has nothing to do with funds or backers. Edit: Ok it's not quite that simple, but it still boils down to a popularity contest amongst your backers and project viewers who are Kicktraq members http://blog.kicktraq.com/kicktraq-hotlist-heroes-vs-villains/ NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 06:07 on May 14, 2013 |
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Blinkman987 posted:Around 10 full-time people and you'll meet all of us this week in a Kickstarter update.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That makes sense. Two god-forsaken fools (presumably, Gabe and Tycho) have pledged 10k each for Hex, so I imagine that's shifting the bid averages a bit. Do you have people willing to play Magic or board games at any time of the day during any day of the week? ( Even if you do, there are people who don't. ) I only had 3 friends who played magic growing up and now they are all over the country. I still really enjoy Magic, but i'm not going to go play at some local comic book shop with people probably half my age. So i'm glad it's available online along with many popular board games and that seems like a weird thing to not understand. I backed Hex so hard and even if it is similar to MTG that's fine by me. The PVE stuff sounds really interesting, I had a lot of fun playing MTG on XBLA with the game modes where you and a few others try to take on an over powered deck. katkillad2 fucked around with this message at 06:41 on May 14, 2013 |
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NTRabbit posted:I'm pretty sure the top 10 on the front of Kicktraq is based entirely on the number of views the Kicktraq page for that project has received today, and has nothing to do with funds or backers. What, that is total bullshit. It certainly explains why projects would randomly appear and disappear from the top 10 though.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:What, that is total bullshit. It certainly explains why projects would randomly appear and disappear from the top 10 though.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:And now, for comedy: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/617502838/shadow-of-the-eternals It might only be me, but I like to look at the project starter, and how many (which) projects they've backed. Some projects only back a few, which is fine, other projects back tons, which is awesome. It gives the sense that they didn't just sign up for money, but also to give something back. These guys haven't backed anyone. Like, at all. Not even a token Ouya backing.
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The Gripper posted:Yeah their business model is basically to make a chart that people pay attention to and that requires other people to spam advertise to actually benefit from. It's dumb and they should feel bad.
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Darkhold posted:What? How is 'make something useful and make money from it' a bad idea? A hotlist that is tied to what their community is looking at is hardly unreasonable.
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Darkhold posted:What? How is 'make something useful and make money from it' a bad idea? A hotlist that is tied to what their community is looking at is hardly unreasonable. It is at the very least misleading to prominently provide graphs of Kickstarter's progress and then have their top ten be wholly unrelated to it. There is no indication that the top ten list is specifically tied to their community. The majority of people visiting Kicktraq are doing so to see general trends, not seeking out Kicktraq user's preferences.
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I'm still failing to see the problem. It's their 'hotlist' they can order it how they want? If other people are misunderstanding how it works they should put 'Kicktraq's Hotlist' on it or something but other than that it's not up to them to beat people over the head with it. Also telling people that if they want to be part of their list they have to tell people how the list works is pretty straightforward. Though I admit that FAQ was pretty weird/lovely.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:It is at the very least misleading to prominently provide graphs of Kickstarter's progress and then have their top ten be wholly unrelated to it. There is no indication that the top ten list is specifically tied to their community. The majority of people visiting Kicktraq are doing so to see general trends, not seeking out Kicktraq user's preferences. If the majority of Kicktraq users are looking for general trends, won't Kicktraq users' preferences be the trendiest projects and thus reflected in the list?
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Fuschia tude posted:If the majority of Kicktraq users are looking for general trends, won't Kicktraq users' preferences be the trendiest projects and thus reflected in the list? While there will likely be some overlap, as aforementioned Kicktraq actively encourages projects to skew the results by getting their supporters to join en masse and promote their project. If Kicktraq want to do that, that is their right but strongly implying their malleable list is the a more accurate list is something worthy of complaint. Kicktraq can do as they like but I don't have to like it, although of course it is not the end of the world.
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Iacen posted:It might only be me, but I like to look at the project starter, and how many (which) projects they've backed. Some projects only back a few, which is fine, other projects back tons, which is awesome. It gives the sense that they didn't just sign up for money, but also to give something back. There are people who donate to a ton of failing projects just to pump up their number. There was some guy who managed to donate to like 50 crappy projects. Only 1 got funded. According to you he's a great guy who wasn't cynically trying to pump up the number to fool people. If you're running a kickstarter, you're looking for money for something. I wouldn't assign any goal beyond that. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 14:20 on May 14, 2013 |
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Toffile posted:There are people who donate to a ton of failing projects just to pump up their number. You can see if the projects failed. I guess if you just looked at the number, you wouldn't be able to tell an active member from a liar, but a quick glance at the list gives it away.
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Speaking of backing too many projects, Grim Dawn's Alpha starts TOMORROW! 
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lethial posted:Speaking of backing too many projects, Grim Dawn's Alpha starts TOMORROW! Probably too much to hope that the game still makes the August estimate, right?
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:Probably too much to hope that the game still makes the August estimate, right? Yeah I would think so. Though if everything goes alright then the game might actually be released in Aug. I really really hope that people will playtest instead of whining about bugs for this alpha...
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Iacen posted:It might only be me, but I like to look at the project starter, and how many (which) projects they've backed. Some projects only back a few, which is fine, other projects back tons, which is awesome. It gives the sense that they didn't just sign up for money, but also to give something back. To be fair (not sure why I bother being fair to those guys, but whatever), they did just create that account. They're Canadian and it took a while for them to set up something so they can even run a Kickstarter project.
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krillbite/among-the-sleep/posts/480797?ref=activity Free Alpha for Among the Sleep is up to download.
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lethial posted:Speaking of backing too many projects, Grim Dawn's Alpha starts TOMORROW! The Grim Dawn Kickstarter thread is closed and I sent a PM to the OP asking if they could open it. If not, would it be cool if I (or someone else if they really wanted to) made a new thread for the game tomorrow?
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fookolt posted:The Grim Dawn Kickstarter thread is closed and I sent a PM to the OP asking if they could open it. If not, would it be cool if I (or someone else if they really wanted to) made a new thread for the game tomorrow? Thanks for your consideration. Be my guest if you'd like to make a new one. The thread we had from a year ago would probably confuse people with its title.
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Drifter posted:Thanks for your consideration. Be my guest if you'd like to make a new one. The thread we had from a year ago would probably confuse people with its title. Awesome; thanks  I'll make the thread today and post it when the alpha comes out.
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lethial posted:Speaking of backing too many projects, Grim Dawn's Alpha starts TOMORROW! Oh man, that game is still in development even? I backed it way back when they started doing their founder/pre-order thing and forgot about it. Awesome.
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Hex sent an update today about their crafting system, i think it sounds pretty awesome. quote:Cards that you have too many of or don't have a use for can be broken down into crafting materials, which can then be used to make cards exclusive to the crafting system for use in the PVE campaign. Sounds like an awesome idea for useless cards or doubles.
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The new video TUG posted has made me even less confident about backing them, I think I'll withdraw my pledge. It just seems like a whole bunch of handwaving... them still not really letting any concrete game info would still be kinda okay, but with almost nothing to show for it except the same drat "throw red balls around a landscape" demo it leaves a lot to be desired. E: Also, I don't know if anyone else pledged to Cults RL, but I just caught up with it after seeing it's had its name changed and everything. While some of the obnoxious atheists were being typically entitled with their response to it, I am kind of worried that the game is going to get crippled because the dev feels uncomfortable having religious aspects in it. I mean, it was called "Cults" .... that's kind of what he sold it on. bomblol fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 14, 2013 |
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bomblol posted:The new video TUG posted has made me even less confident about backing them, I think I'll withdraw my pledge. It just seems like a whole bunch of handwaving... them still not really letting any concrete game info would still be kinda okay, but with almost nothing to show for it except the same drat "throw red balls around a landscape" demo it leaves a lot to be desired. Yep, I'm thinking about withdrawing my pledge as well. Their regular email updates are way too idea-guys-y, with nothing that stands out as actual solid game development.
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Yea, I think I'm done with TUG, too much idea man stuff not enough actual concept. Stonehearth, on the other hand, has tons of idea man stuff and the proof of concept to go with it, so maybe I'll bump my pledge up by ten bucks or something for them.
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AllisonByProxy posted:http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krillbite/among-the-sleep/posts/480797?ref=activity They also just got fully funded, awesome!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea, I think I'm done with TUG, too much idea man stuff not enough actual concept. Stonehearth, on the other hand, has tons of idea man stuff and the proof of concept to go with it, so maybe I'll bump my pledge up by ten bucks or something for them. I have to chuckle at this comment because on the one hand I see Stonehearth and its being made by some guys who have been in the trenches of development before and have seen things to the other side, and on the other hand there is TUG with its army of PhD folks who have probably never actually produced an honest to god product before going off on how they got these big plans. It mirrors my experience with PhDs in the workforce.
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Yay, bitcrobes Android! I am a poor but I was gonna do a last-hour push it over the line if it didn't make the stretch goal, but now I'll spend it on lunch instead.
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