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Yeah, god-- when they really start to "rock out" at the end of Giorgio By Moroder it is so bad, the sound of the drums is total garbage and the fills are just "atrocious local nu-metal band." Honestly, it kind of reminds me of another 90s sampling genius' efforts in producing live musicians-- the RZA. He could flip a groove from an old Stax record like nobody's business, but he wanted to be respected as an all-around producer, and then suddenly you've got John Frusciante and some dude from System of a Down playing their bullshit on a Wu-Tang record.
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I must be insane or something because after listening to this whole record straight through about 15 times, I like it more than Discovery and Homework. Maybe it's because RAM is brand new so I'm not "tired" of it, but it has zero tracks that I skip. Even Discovery, which I consider my favorite record of all time, has a few songs I skip nearly every time.
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Tewratomeh posted:Yeah, the more I think about this album the more I realize that the problem isn't that it's a "terrible" album, it's that I've heard the style of music on this album done so much better already. I'm a johnny-come-lately when it comes to Daft Punk, and I've only really started listening to them within the last couple of years, but I've heard so many albums influenced by them by now that when I hear Random Access Memories it actually sounds like knock-off of other Daft Punk-inspired bands. Because Justice produced a follow up album that didn't disappoint like half of the people that listened to it  Cleretic posted:I just want to weigh in on the subject of Justice as 'the new Daft Punk' or whatever, since I only heard about them this year, when I made a Daft Punk Pandora station and they were thrown up at me with as much frequency as Deadmau5. Have you listened to Human After All?
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Cleretic posted:I just want to weigh in on the subject of Justice as 'the new Daft Punk' or whatever, since I only heard about them this year, when I made a Daft Punk Pandora station and they were thrown up at me with as much frequency as Deadmau5. It's not a 1 to 1 comparison but the inspiration is undeniable. It's two french Michael Jackson worshippers on Ed Banger who took off on the promise of "We are your friends", which is an insistently repeated vocal sample propped up by a stellar bassline...which is the same story as Around the World. Then you've got †, with Waters of Nazareth as a Da Funk stand in that received almost as much attention and a bunch of tracks that mix the attitudes of Homework and Discovery as well as anything from Alive 2007. Their sound isn't the same but the fact that their style was so immediate and influential only makes them look more like heirs to the empire to me. Justice and the rest of the high level EDM acts are probably a big reason we got this album, there's already a healthy community sprouting off of Alive 2007 and grooves with a mean mug on them and that's obviously a young mans game. Plus, as I just mentioned, Justice also released a "Hey guys this forgotten genre is still cool" sophomore album that defiantly refused to follow up on the monster they created at first. More DP analogues. If people need an album full of French bangers to fix things, I suggest "Total" by SebastiAn. Then his remixes album. He's going to be a giant thing if he ever figures out how to write endings for his songs. The track "Ross Ross Ross" from that album is already a big hit, but it's also the highwater mark for hard rear end glitch EDM as far as I'm concerned. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:00 on May 14, 2013 |
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May 14, 2013 16:56
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Daft Punk invented repetitious sampling.
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chime_on posted:Yeah, god-- when they really start to "rock out" at the end of Giorgio By Moroder it is so bad, the sound of the drums is total garbage and the fills are just "atrocious local nu-metal band."
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May 14, 2013 17:00
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I can't really fault anyone for not digging this album but I've completely lost any objectivity for it, mostly because of what Discovery and Homework meant for me. I had the same thing happen with The Mars Volta after their first album, where I liked it so much I felt like I just "bought in" to whatever they did for a looooooong time afterwards and it took a couple of true full-album stinkers and admissions of in-band strife to finally break the spell. Once someone proves to me they have it in them to do something like Discovery I'm just automatically excited and accepting of whatever they feel like doing afterwards as long as it has a hint of the same care and effort. RAM felt like it hit me in the heart and it didn't dissapoint in any other big ways. There are dips (for me "within" - just a touch too morose - and "instant crush" - hello strokes b-side) but the whole thing is a wonderful trip and even better for how unexpected a lot of it is. Even with "within" as a low point I can't say I didn't see it coming after the Chilly Gonzales cover of "Too Long". Maybe I'll just replace that track with it. It would totally qualify for this album if the original never existed and the instrumentation got the same expensive punch up treatment everything else did. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:19 on May 14, 2013 |
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Cleretic posted:I just want to weigh in on the subject of Justice as 'the new Daft Punk' or whatever, since I only heard about them this year, when I made a Daft Punk Pandora station and they were thrown up at me with as much frequency as Deadmau5. Some of RAM reminds me of Audio Video Disco, but only tiny parts of certain songs.
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May 14, 2013 17:29
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JSnake posted:I must be insane or something because after listening to this whole record straight through about 15 times, I like it more than Discovery and Homework. Maybe it's because RAM is brand new so I'm not "tired" of it, but it has zero tracks that I skip. Even Discovery, which I consider my favorite record of all time, has a few songs I skip nearly every time. Yeah you must be insane because you've listened to an album that came out less than 24 hours ago 15 times already.
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Tokyo Slutty Gal posted:Yeah you must be insane because you've listened to an album that came out less than 24 hours ago 15 times already. I really didn't think I'd have to put a big ol'  EXAGGERATION FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT disclaimer but I guess I do.
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May 14, 2013 17:48
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Haha this Pitchfork cover story is pretty crazy. I don't think they do cover stories like this without giving Best New Music (or at least a high score), and we know they heard this album months ago so it's not like it's a surprise to them. I'm still thinking they'll rate it pretty highly.
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May 14, 2013 17:50
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Muck and Mire posted:Haha this Pitchfork cover story is pretty crazy. I don't think they do cover stories like this without giving Best New Music (or at least a high score), and we know they heard this album months ago so it's not like it's a surprise to them. I'm still thinking they'll rate it pretty highly. It would be amusing if despite all this rigmarole they end slapping the good old 6.9 on the thing anyway.
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Muck and Mire posted:Haha this Pitchfork cover story is pretty crazy. I don't think they do cover stories like this without giving Best New Music (or at least a high score), and we know they heard this album months ago so it's not like it's a surprise to them. I'm still thinking they'll rate it pretty highly. Pitchfork posted:Considering their typical full-body attire, it's a bit shocking to see Daft Punk simply lounging in swim trunks.  gently caress the sequin suits I want to see that
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i dont think anyone is saying that justice is the new daft punk, just that they are making better tunes than them. i don't really agree with that supposition because like 3 songs on AVD were actually listenable (newlands is amazing), but i agree with the idea that other producers have probably supplanted them.
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May 14, 2013 18:14
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Muck and Mire posted:Haha this Pitchfork cover story is pretty crazy. I don't think they do cover stories like this without giving Best New Music (or at least a high score), and we know they heard this album months ago so it's not like it's a surprise to them. I'm still thinking they'll rate it pretty highly. quote:“Technology has made music accessible in a philosophically interesting way, which is great,” says Bangalter, talking about the proliferation of home recording and the laptop studio. “But on the other hand, when everybody has the ability to make magic, it's like there's no more magic—if the audience can just do it themselves, why are they going to bother?”
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May 14, 2013 18:21
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Interesting to hear that the Strokes are DP's favorite modern rock band in that Pete Tong interview. Instant Crush is a lot less of a shock in that context. It's also really interesting to hear that there are orchestral versions of ALL the tracks and most of them went un-used. Judging from the "record a ton of poo poo, use it later" approach I'm betting the remixes or remix album they allude to in that interview is going to leverage a lot of the un-used material.
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May 14, 2013 18:24
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It's a great idea, instead of crate digging, just make all your own samples. (i guess that's stetsasonic)
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ManoliIsFat posted:That's pretty heavy. no it isnt, its poo poo dads say
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May 14, 2013 18:36
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Guys, Pharell told me this album would change music forever I don't know what to think anymore. I have to say, going back and rewatching the collaborator videos after listening to the album makes some of them quite hilarious.
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I donno, at least from Daft Punk's point of view it's right. They got famous making house loops on Bangalter's dad's expensive recording gear, before DAWs and such were really prevalent. In 2013 any kid with a laptop and a cracked copy of Ableton can make music like that. I'm not sure if this was their intent but it would be kind of funny to react to that by spending a ton of money on studio musicians, like saying "good luck doing this with your laptops, kids."
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May 14, 2013 18:41
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If I had to use one word to describe this album, it would be "lame". This limp dicked disco farce is the softest, corniest, lamest poo poo I've ever heard.
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Todd Edwards especially, I mean...I like the album and all but that guy sounded like he had a genuinely religious experience. And then his song is a sun-soaked romp through a flower field about how much he loved making his song. If this was Jonestown he would've saved like 4 lives by drinking other people's kool aid. He went from a name drop on Teachers to a full fledged soldier
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CannedMacabre posted:Love the 80's Doobies feel of Fragments of Time. I was thinking the exact same thing on my second listen. I was like... ohay, Italo, Soft Rock, & Disco are exactly what I've been listening to the past couple of years, just funny to see Daft Punk go and do this in such a grandiose way. It'll be odd if they bring about another resurgence in the popularity of yacht rock & adult contemporary music w/ this album. The guitar riff & bass line from Beyond might as well be lifted from an alternate version of "I Keep Forgettin' " MMD3 fucked around with this message at 18:51 on May 14, 2013 |
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May 14, 2013 18:45
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The song I keep going back to is "Touch", surprisingly. It's really grown on me since I heard it for the first time yesterday.
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PLANES CURE TOWERS posted:The song I keep going back to is "Touch", surprisingly. It's really grown on me since I heard it for the first time yesterday. Same here. The pitchfork cover story has them saying that's the centerpiece of the album and I agree with a lot of other reviews calling it a "I'm a real boy!" moment for DP. Paul Williams and his history provide a lot of cover for the FEEELINGS moment here but the choral section is about as soul-baring as anything you're going to get this year and he's not in there. It's a big uncool musical hug. Imagine if this album was out before Alive 2007 and there was a festival sing-a-long moment somewhere in there with a monstrous crowd singing "If love is the answer, you're home". Real robo hippie poo poo. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 19:11 on May 14, 2013 |
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I think what happened for a lot of people, including myself to some degree, is that we were expecting Alive + Tron + Discovery for the most part, and the release of Get Lucky and leaks of Doin it Right and Contact kind of fed into that expectation, but what we got was a pretty chill album that is a much bigger departure than most people expected. I know for myself, I was hyped on the idea of Daft Punk following up Discovery with an album that did not rely on samples of previous songs, giving them more freedom than they had before. We sort of got that, but I only wish the album was less Something About Us and more Superheroes, Aerodynamic, and Too Long.
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Cleretic posted:...it seems like a lot of their sound is very 'hard', an almost brutal sound that is not entirely unlike being punched in the face (and I mean that in the best possible way). And that's not what I know Daft Punk for... uhhh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkEYnXd5VkY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeWLi9TROtE there you go, welcome to Daft Punk punching you in the face circa 2005 and here's one from 1997 for good measure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zZD_ItaEuU The Fresh Prince posted:Have you listened to Human After All? this...
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Ras Het posted:no it isnt, its poo poo dads say Not saying you're doing this but your post reminded me...I'm kinda amused at how often people are comparing this album to "adult contemporary" and "mom/dad music" and poo poo like that. It's kind of a weird criticism because it doesn't address the music itself in any meaningful way, it's just an easy way to categorize it as unhip and therefore bad.
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Doin' it Right is so hip it hurts. That song is going to tear up radio waves on all kinds of stations if it gets out there.
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The problem I have with this album isn't that it's bad, because it isn't, it's that it's boring. It's like a fanfare for all the underachievers out there. Too bad, could have been fun.
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I think a lot of the backlash I'm hearing is rooted in a distaste for real instruments in music. We are too used wub wub synths sounding 'modern' and now real drums and pianos sound cheesy.
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BeavisNuke posted:I think a lot of the backlash I'm hearing is rooted in a distaste for real instruments in music. We are too used wub wub synths sounding 'modern' and now real drums and pianos sound cheesy. Um, no? It wouldn't matter if this album was made entirely in FL, it would still be super boring
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May 14, 2013 19:50
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Im diggin it. They brought techno back to its roots. Disco inferno.
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BeavisNuke posted:I think a lot of the backlash I'm hearing is rooted in a distaste for real instruments in music. We are too used wub wub synths sounding 'modern' and now real drums and pianos sound cheesy.
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het posted:I really really wish people who like the album would stop trying to dismiss criticisms like this. Like maybe just try to own that you like something other people seriously do not think is good rather than coming up with reasons why their opinions are somehow distorted/invalid. I wish people wanting to engage in a real critical discussion could say more than "boring," "mom-rock," etc. If the whole album was 10 bpm faster and had a few more drum machines I guarantee this thread would read totally differently.
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There are albums where I can't understand why someone wouldn't like it, but that's usually a situation where an artist delivers big on something that was expected of them. Where I can say "Well what the gently caress were you expecting then?" It's perfectly understandable for someone to be expecting something else, especially if they're not obsessively consuming previews and details about it. This album is reaching hard for a lot of different things, trying things that are way outside of the DP comfort zone, and playing it low-key when the genre they're heavily responsible for is going in the exact opposite direction. It's the biggest experiment they've ever embarked on, and it almost completely abandons the live album/show that got people excited about this in the first place. How could you possibly expect it not to dissapoint a lot of people? I feel that way about Homework. I recognize what a stretch it was at the time, and there are tracks I just plain don't like, but there are some that succeed in big ways and I can see how the other tracks came along with those moments of greatness. I appreciate it as an experiment that produced some results, if not a completely successful album. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 14, 2013 |
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Colonel Whitey posted:Not saying you're doing this but your post reminded me...I'm kinda amused at how often people are comparing this album to "adult contemporary" and "mom/dad music" and poo poo like that. It's kind of a weird criticism because it doesn't address the music itself in any meaningful way, it's just an easy way to categorize it as unhip and therefore bad. But I agree, "my mom would like this" is a pretty easy+lazy criticism, but idk it really gets to the point I'm trying to convey. If Daft Punk were like normal producers, made albums like every 6-12 months, and this was a foray in to something interesting, this wouldn't be a big deal. Lots of producers do that kinda thing. But since they release an album every decade, we're allowed to pour over it. BeavisNuke posted:I wish people wanting to engage in a real critical discussion could say more than "boring," "mom-rock," etc. If the whole album was 10 bpm faster and had a few more drum machines I guarantee this thread would read totally differently. ManoliIsFat fucked around with this message at 20:22 on May 14, 2013 |
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I think someone definitely hit it spot on for me when they said this album sounded very soft compared to their past work. I don't dislike this album - I think Giorgio, Touch, Doin It Right, Contact, Fragments, etc. are great songs, but if I could have had the masters of filter French house continue their sound, I would have preferred that. Also, I find the pacing of the A side is terrible and the whole thing is overlong. Game of Love/Giorgio/Within is too slow and kills the energy from the first track. I think something like the below would play better, especially to newer fans/curious people who will stream this and start from Track 1. 1. Contact 2. Get Lucky 3. Doin' It Right 4. Fragments of Time 5. Giorgio by Moroder 6. Game of Love 7. Lose Yourself to Dance 8. Instant Crush 9. Give Life Back to Music 10. Touch Still a good album, but I can see how people are so divided on it. I think fans of music and musicianship will really enjoy this, fans of Daft Punk (One More Time/Robot Rock/Harder, Faster, Better, Stronger) will not.
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BeavisNuke posted:I wish people wanting to engage in a real critical discussion could say more than "boring," "mom-rock," etc. quote:If the whole album was 10 bpm faster and had a few more drum machines I guarantee this thread would read totally differently. BTW, you realize the vast majority of responses to the album in this thread have been unmitigated praise, right?
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BeavisNuke posted:I wish people wanting to engage in a real critical discussion could say more than "boring," "mom-rock," etc. If the whole album was 10 bpm faster and had a few more drum machines I guarantee this thread would read totally differently. It's easy to act like people are hypocrites because they're behaving contrary to how they would in a theoretical situation you just made up, but that doesn't actually make it true or valid. I like the album quite a bit, but it's pretty absurd to say "oh we're just not used to real instruments anymore." Like... what? I'm pretty sure Skrillex and Justice didn't take everyone's guitars and drums and toss them into Mount Doom five years ago. It's grasping at straws.
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