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Turkeybone
Dec 9, 2006

:chef: :eng99:

Jack posted:

The old Victor Niederhoffer strategy. Not that I like REITs but holding them is far less reckless gambling than naked puts on momentum names.


What is riskier than junk bonds? Although there are plenty of MLP/Trust/Reit type stocks that payout 7% that would collapse just the same as high yield in a downturn while still going up from POMO flooding.

I still say the best trading strategy is to buy SPY 7:30 (PST) and sell at close. POMO skimming has turned me into Pavlov's dog. My finger gets itchy on weekends at 7:30 now.

Ha, yeah I mean it's a growing part of what I've been doing lately but by no means a majority. REITs have been pretty good in general but I'm definitely too exposed to them and not enough to the momentum which is going full retard right now. That being said, it's almost too easy to go long something and make cash, which is why my n.puts are just one month out and pretty far down, I definitely want to be out of all of these by the next earnings round. The last round of n.puts worked almost "perfectly" for me. Had GS puts at 140, they got called at 138, and well if you see GS now, I got both the premium and the appreciation. But a loving rarity, I know. I don't want to be too long for too long.

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Oxphocker
Aug 17, 2005

PLEASE DO NOT BACKSEAT MODERATE

MrBigglesworth posted:

EVN @ 6.8% TAX FREE! Oh and it pays monthly, not quarterly.

If you like that try DNP...7% yield also monthly..

Bombtrack
Dec 2, 2001

Grimey Drawer
Generally speaking, should I always be reinvesting dividends?

COUNTIN THE BILLIES
Jan 8, 2006

by Ion Helmet
Yes

Inverse Icarus
Dec 4, 2003

I run SyncRPG, and produce original, digital content for the Pathfinder RPG, designed from the ground up to be played online.

Bombtrack posted:

Generally speaking, should I always be reinvesting dividends?

This is sort of a long-term question, do you mean you're trading normally and happen to get dividends, or that you're investing long-term and are curious which is "better?"

Would you rather get money every 3 months to cash out or invest in other things, or "set it and forget it" and let your positions grow themselves?

Do you believe in the companies you're investing in?

Would you be interested in buying a few shares of them every three months? Even if you didn't have to?


It really comes down to what you want to do with the money, and why you invested in the stock in the first place.

Bombtrack
Dec 2, 2001

Grimey Drawer
Investing long term, I figure unless I really need the cash or have better investment plans I should just have it set to automatically reinvest (with no broker fee either, which is sweet).

Arkane
Dec 19, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Have amassed a fairly large position on DWA September puts. Most of Dreamwork's revenues are from films; they only release about 3 titles per year (this year, July's Turbo will be their second and last).

I feel confident that Turbo is going to disappoint, and they've invested a bit into it (toy line, summer release date, Netflix series). The release date itself is a poor one due to a very crowded market (mid-July, after two gigantic family films Monsters University & Despicable Me 2 have just opened and right before The Smurfs 2 opens a couple weeks later). Additionally, the trailer doesn't exactly inspire confidence that it will be a good movie...not that quality matters all that much, but being a non-sequel is already going to be a hindrance.

Underscoring the crowded market, this movie season is also unprecedented in the number of animated films being released. There are 6 animated movies targeting families; this is the most on record. The previous high was 5 in 2007, but the 5th was The Simpsons which wasn't exactly a kids movie.

Even if it surprises me and opens well, the movie is not going have the 'legs' that The Croods had unless the movie is excellent, so I feel like this would be capped at 150m domestic/450m worldwide, only mildly profitable in a best case scenario. This'll be my third trade on Dreamworks. I bet heavily against Rise of the Guardians on Intrade (it bombed). And my first trade when I opened my stock portfolio in March was buying DWA April call options based on the anticipated success of The Croods.

Sound_man
Aug 25, 2004
Rocking to the 80s

Oxphocker posted:

If you like that try DNP...7% yield also monthly..

I've been in PHK for a while and it has done right by me. Pays a flat 12 cents a share monthly which lately has been working out to around 12%~13% depending on what the price is doing.

dogpower
Dec 28, 2008
Is anyone else looking into National Bank of Greece?

evilwaldo
Aug 2, 2004

@dcurban1: #FlyersTalk @28CGiroux and @Hartsy19 What do the C and A mean to you? We as fans expect more.Are you leaders or do you just make funny vids

@dcurban1: #flyerstalk @28CGiroux @Hartsy19 The A and the C are supposed to mean something. Leadership not stock quotes to reporters. Time to lead.

dogpower posted:

Is anyone else looking into National Bank of Greece?

Why?

MrBigglesworth
Mar 26, 2005

Lover of Fuzzy Meatloaf
I have a love/hate thing with PHK. Their div is not sustainable yet they have somehow kept it going. Also started a portion of their divs with return of capital. However I have been in and out and they haven't burned me yet. I ran a chart going back to 2005. Even after the market poo poo the bed you'd have more than double your money if all payouts were reinvested.

Kal Torak
Jul 17, 2003

When Giles sends me on a mission, he says "please". And afterwards I get a cookie.

MrBigglesworth posted:

I have a love/hate thing with PHK. Their div is not sustainable yet they have somehow kept it going. Also started a portion of their divs with return of capital. However I have been in and out and they haven't burned me yet. I ran a chart going back to 2005. Even after the market poo poo the bed you'd have more than double your money if all payouts were reinvested.

The ROC has been pretty small the last 8 months (about 5% of the distribution) but at some point you would think something has to give. They've been paying the same distribution forever though so who knows. I was smart enough (or dumb enough) to hold on through that huge drop to about $10 and it's recovered quite nicely. That being said, it's still trading at a 45% premium to NAV so I think now would be a good time to make an exit.

MrBigglesworth
Mar 26, 2005

Lover of Fuzzy Meatloaf
Oh yeah I forgot about price to NAV. PHK is a weird one. It tanks on through and always comes back. If you are holding on via DRIPs it is a pretty solid winner. Its just weird how the ROC is there, Price to NAV is atrocious, they arent earning enough to pay the distribution, but it is still, THERE!

I have seen it have massive corrections to be closer to NAV from time to time. Those are the best times to get in I would think. But if it keeps doing what it has been doing for the last 13+ years, then, who knows?

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



AAPL's been getting murdered this past week. I hit my stop so now I'm hoping we can get down to the crazy low levels for another great buying opportunity.

Also, AGNC :argh:.

Pudgygiant
Apr 8, 2004

Garnet and black? More like gold and blue or whatever the fuck colors these are
This popped up on my momentum scanner thing, and... why is it doing what it's doing?
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AVIPS&ei=B5OTUYiXL4LKkgWrGA

Beat earnings, in the green instead of the red, and it's plummeted since open. Just because it's chinese? Massive profit-taking selloff? I don't get it.

edit
I don't have any shares of it, just curious why it would have such strong downward momentum after beating earnings

Pudgygiant fucked around with this message at 15:08 on May 15, 2013

Turkeybone
Dec 9, 2006

:chef: :eng99:

Shear Modulus posted:

AAPL's been getting murdered this past week. I hit my stop so now I'm hoping we can get down to the crazy low levels for another great buying opportunity.

Also, AGNC :argh:.

Yeah AGNC has taken a nice haircut.. though it's not a bad time to dip in now, maybe with a stop at 28. The unexpected loss is a big hit though, because AGNC is all about the dividend, and there's gonna be plenty of fear about said dividend if the company isn't making profits.

AAPL, well it crapped out at 460, again; I wouldn't really call down $25 murdered for a $400+ stock, but definitely watching to see where (if???) it catches a bid. ~$430 would be nice.

Turkeybone
Dec 9, 2006

:chef: :eng99:

Pudgygiant posted:

This popped up on my momentum scanner thing, and... why is it doing what it's doing?
https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AVIPS&ei=B5OTUYiXL4LKkgWrGA

Beat earnings, in the green instead of the red, and it's plummeted since open. Just because it's chinese? Massive profit-taking selloff? I don't get it.

edit
I don't have any shares of it, just curious why it would have such strong downward momentum after beating earnings

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=VIPS&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p70778514915

Because the stock has roughly gained 100% a month for 7 months. drat.

pr0k
Jan 16, 2001

"Well if it's gonna be
that kind of party..."
Because it gapped up 20% at open? No where to go but down.

I got stopped out of AGNC at 31.

I am interested in your strategy, Arkane. Wouldn't releasing only two titles this year at least help their bottom line numbers, even if that dings the top line? That seems to be all the rage lately.

dogpower
Dec 28, 2008

Well the stock has been beaten down so much. Its purely a gamble, but I invested a small amount of cash expecting the Euro not letting the bank fail and eventually Greece to recover in the long term. 500$ US so I can shrug if I lose the cash.

I missed the stock buying of 2009 because I had no cash, so now I'm more inclined to start looking into some areas of Europe.

Its up 11% since I bought it so I think some people have a similar mindset as I do, and it was up 14% prior to when I bought it. I thought about buying it when it was at 0.70 and now its 1.72.

evilwaldo
Aug 2, 2004

@dcurban1: #FlyersTalk @28CGiroux and @Hartsy19 What do the C and A mean to you? We as fans expect more.Are you leaders or do you just make funny vids

@dcurban1: #flyerstalk @28CGiroux @Hartsy19 The A and the C are supposed to mean something. Leadership not stock quotes to reporters. Time to lead.

dogpower posted:

Well the stock has been beaten down so much. Its purely a gamble, but I invested a small amount of cash expecting the Euro not letting the bank fail and eventually Greece to recover in the long term. 500$ US so I can shrug if I lose the cash.

I missed the stock buying of 2009 because I had no cash, so now I'm more inclined to start looking into some areas of Europe.

Its up 11% since I bought it so I think some people have a similar mindset as I do, and it was up 14% prior to when I bought it. I thought about buying it when it was at 0.70 and now its 1.72.

You should do more macro research on Greece and more research on the bank in general. You are better off going to a casino and putting your money on black.

Turkeybone
Dec 9, 2006

:chef: :eng99:
Seriously, I would prefer some sideways days at this point.

e: Mind wants to dip into AAPL, body weak. loving moth to the flame.

ee: Where is the Josh Lyman "CSCO!!!!! :argh: post"

Turkeybone fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 15, 2013

Mitt Romney
Nov 9, 2005
dumb and bad
Anyone paying attention to TSLA in after hours? It went down 4% to $82, now it's up to $93.3 or 10%. This the cause? http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetel...of-energy-loan/

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Turkeybone posted:

Seriously, I would prefer some sideways days at this point.

e: Mind wants to dip into AAPL, body weak. loving moth to the flame.

ee: Where is the Josh Lyman "CSCO!!!!! :argh: post"
CSCO can gently caress itself in the rear end. Hard.

Turkeybone
Dec 9, 2006

:chef: :eng99:

Mitt Romney posted:

Anyone paying attention to TSLA in after hours? It went down 4% to $82, now it's up to $93.3 or 10%. This the cause? http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetel...of-energy-loan/

I think the first dip was because of the issuance of more stock and notes(just what happens when there is dilution) and then maybe the rise because of Musk saying he was going in for $100M. The CEO buying is generally a good sign, and paying off debts, also good. I'm sure Goldman is also happy to be underwriting a large part of this poo poo.


Josh Lyman, I have some shares of CSCO but also covered calls at 22, so, yeah. A 9+% jump for CSCO is loving crazy.

fougera
Apr 5, 2009

mindphlux posted:

I've been long on cisco for a long time, a substantial portion of my portfolio is made up of that stock. I'm in at 16.5 from mid 2012, happy with how things are progressing. I still think they're cheap - but not as much as a value as when I picked them up originally. My 'sell' target is around 28, depending on how earnings continue to shape up.

Nailed it

Smear Campaign
Nov 3, 2003

destroy all dreamers with debt and depression
Bought july TSLA puts today before announcement. :smith:

Still, really smart move for tesla.

Elon Musk buying tesla shares is a little different from another CEO buying shares, though. At one point he was using his own personal accounts so the company could make payroll. Around that time I think he almost ran out of liquid assets trying to prop Tesla up.

Acquilae
May 15, 2013

Glad I still held onto TSLA (seriously have no idea how to play it) and sold off HLF today predicting it'll go back down so I can buy again at $35 since it's been the pattern after the last three dividend payouts but then again, who knows what the hell stocks are going to do with the way markets have been this year. Also, it's no CSCO, but the only IPO I bought this year(PF) had a solid gain from earnings.

Turkeybone posted:

e: Mind wants to dip into AAPL, body weak. loving moth to the flame.
The momentum of hedge fund selloffs from SEC filings is starting a bottoming phase so wait until the $400 support.

Inverse Icarus
Dec 4, 2003

I run SyncRPG, and produce original, digital content for the Pathfinder RPG, designed from the ground up to be played online.

Josh Lyman posted:

CSCO can gently caress itself in the rear end. Hard.

up 8.7% after hours

Droo
Jun 25, 2003

I am thinking about selling one or two of the stocks I own: ABBV, ABT, DE, NEE, PM, and WMT. Looking at the financials my top three choices to sell are


ABT high PE for a low growth company
NEE seems expensive for a utility, has high analyst expectations compared to company projections
WMT just because it's not that cheap and can't keep growing at 10% forever


Anyone have any thoughts on any of these?

COUNTIN THE BILLIES
Jan 8, 2006

by Ion Helmet

Acquilae posted:

Glad I still held onto TSLA (seriously have no idea how to play it) and sold off HLF today predicting it'll go back down so I can buy again at $35 since it's been the pattern after the last three dividend payouts but then again, who knows what the hell stocks are going to do with the way markets have been this year. Also, it's no CSCO, but the only IPO I bought this year(PF) had a solid gain from earnings.

The momentum of hedge fund selloffs from SEC filings is starting a bottoming phase so wait until the $400 support.

Einhorn increased his AAPL exposure, totally sold out his GOOG positions too.

Acquilae
May 15, 2013

COUNTIN THE BILLIES posted:

Einhorn increased his AAPL exposure, totally sold out his GOOG positions too.
That 800k size trade in the time/sales window made me go "whoa" but Einhorn's an AAPL super bull :). If another hedge fund manager bought that many shares I'm certain it would have a noticeable effect on shares.

Arkane
Dec 19, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Mitt Romney posted:

Anyone paying attention to TSLA in after hours? It went down 4% to $82, now it's up to $93.3 or 10%. This the cause? http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetel...of-energy-loan/

Touched 78 in after hours I think? Didn't get any buy orders in fast enough.

I started selling short in the high 80s, though, have an average position short at 89, which is underwater at the last trade of 91 or whatever. Generally speaking, a secondary is not a good thing because it dilutes the shareholder base. Elon betting on his company is pretty standard (for him at least, not in general). Hoping that the traders tomorrow are a bit more neutral about the move and it hits back to 85ish.

Arkane
Dec 19, 2006

by R. Guyovich
drat it all, TSLA at 95.5 (!) at the moment. Gravity defiance.

eta: that's a 13% increase from yesterday's close based on a secondary offering/share dilution :stare:

Arkane fucked around with this message at 13:08 on May 16, 2013

Turkeybone
Dec 9, 2006

:chef: :eng99:
Teehee, I bought SEPT 95 yesterday, on the premise that 78 was going to be support; definitely didn't expect this.

Also, motherfucking CSCO, 12%? That's many billions. These covered calls are making this complicated, bah.

evilwaldo
Aug 2, 2004

@dcurban1: #FlyersTalk @28CGiroux and @Hartsy19 What do the C and A mean to you? We as fans expect more.Are you leaders or do you just make funny vids

@dcurban1: #flyerstalk @28CGiroux @Hartsy19 The A and the C are supposed to mean something. Leadership not stock quotes to reporters. Time to lead.
If you have not done so already tighten up your stops and get ready for a correction. Signs of a top are in place.

Turkeybone
Dec 9, 2006

:chef: :eng99:
Care to elaborate?

rizzo1001
Jan 3, 2001
There goes my AMD party.

Acquilae
May 15, 2013

Is Goldman's downgrade the only thing that sunk AMD?

fougera
Apr 5, 2009

Turkeybone posted:

Teehee, I bought SEPT 95 yesterday, on the premise that 78 was going to be support; definitely didn't expect this.

Also, motherfucking CSCO, 12%? That's many billions. These covered calls are making this complicated, bah.

I know I'll eat my words for talking poo poo at the opening bell,

TSLA gained 5 billion in a week, CSCO gained 10 billion in less than 24 hours.

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evilwaldo
Aug 2, 2004

@dcurban1: #FlyersTalk @28CGiroux and @Hartsy19 What do the C and A mean to you? We as fans expect more.Are you leaders or do you just make funny vids

@dcurban1: #flyerstalk @28CGiroux @Hartsy19 The A and the C are supposed to mean something. Leadership not stock quotes to reporters. Time to lead.

Turkeybone posted:

Care to elaborate?

Major indices are turning parabolic on the charts which never ends well. Economic data is not coming in as strong as expected, 2nd Q GDP estimates under the old system are in the 1.5-1.7% range (they are fudging the computation starting this quarter), low quality stocks are spiking (solars), and lots of churning.

Be careful if you have not tightened up your stops.

Here is a WSJ blog about the GDP change:

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/04/26/gdp-gets-bigger-not-necessarily-faster/

evilwaldo fucked around with this message at 14:49 on May 16, 2013

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