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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:If you root for anything but the Bruins you're a terrible person. Should I assume the TVIVers in The Babby Thread all root for the Canucks? Cornwind Evil posted:2) The Red Wedding, to me, has always had this nasty undercurrent that I think more than a few quitters have picked up on: That under its appearance as the inevitable result of Robb's arc (making the same mistakes as his father and suffering the same fate) is this snickering neckbeard glee of 'Bet you thought TRADITIONAL things were gonna happen with Robb! Well SCREW YOU, SUBVERTED!' Nerd-types can have this issue where they consume so much entertainment they become overstimulated, and as a result they can start viewing traditional, classic storytelling methods with contempt (they're too familiar with it). Martin has a LOT of this in his work: in the earlier books it mostly worked for his benefit (Ned's death), but I think he may have over-reached with the Red Wedding: it seemed to happen as much due to plot as because Martin wanted to be REALISTIC and DARK and all those other words. What these types don't realize is that just because they're bored with tradition doesn't mean everyone else is, and while tradition shouldn't dictate what you want to write, it should always be taken into account and given a measure of respect. Writing to try and surprise a reader and defy their expectations is one thing; writing to purposely throw their expectations in their faces to spite their 'boring, less consuming of entertainment' mindsets is something else entirely, and I really think that's what Gurm did on some level. I always felt the Red Wedding was just GRRM's attempt to one-up Ned's death. See, with Ned's death, it's so shocking and new and fresh and exciting, that it stimulates fantasy readers in ways they're rarely stimulated. So they keep reading GRRM's books in an attempt to capture that same high again, much like a drug addict. However, they're expecting genre subversion, so GRRM just can't do the same thing again--they expect it, they high won't be as powerful. So he dithers around with A Clash of Kings to throw reader's scents (and because he's knows they'll keep reading whatever he puts out--they're addicted) before reaching the Red Wedding in A Storm of Swords. Following that logic, he needs to really throw off reader's before he can give them a new, stronger high. He's already hosed around for two books, so we're either going to get something amazing in The Winds of Winter, or... he'll just die and we'll all be forced to go into withdrawal. That's right, ASOIAF fans are basically drug addicts. The TVIVers have it bad. The Bad Thread is the GRRMy version of AA. We know we have a problem, but at least we admit it--and admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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Blind Sally posted:The Bad Thread is the GRRMy version of AA
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Blind Sally posted:Should I assume the TVIVers in The Babby Thread all root for the Canucks? They'd probably be Red Wings or Penguins fans. The worst fans. In football, the Babby Thread would be Steelers fans, The Walking Dead thread would be Falcons fans, and the Community thread would be Packers fans, aka the most annoying fans of anything on earth. This thread, naturally, is the Cleveland Browns. Total poo poo, hepatitis and various other infections, and a Stockholm Syndrome-like following of something unimaginably terrible that deep down you know will be nothing but bad for you. And, on top of all that, the sickening knowledge that despite all your hope, you know this shitshow isn't going anywhere. In fact,  says the Browns will win the Superbowl before TWOW is published.
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May 16, 2013 02:41
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The worst fanbase belongs to House Bruins of Boston
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May 16, 2013 03:49
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Pretty sure the Oilers have the worst fanbase. Everyone is perpetually convinced that next year they are going all the way. edit: basically the Iron Islands I guess. Used to be hot poo poo now flailing around like idiots trying to reclaim glory
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May 16, 2013 03:53
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run DNC posted:Used to be hot poo poo now flailing around like idiots trying to reclaim glory You speak of House Toronto. Their sigil is a white leaf upon azure field. Their words are "45+ Years? Age is Just a Number"
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May 16, 2013 04:01
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As someone from a country that lacks your so-called Hockey i'll just skip this meaningless prattle and post this. Ramsay-chan uguuuu~
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Cornwind Evil posted:
Yeah, its what Film Crit Hulk gets into (once you get past all the capitalization) on his review of the books. The whole drat saga is a perpetual witch-hunt by an author for ways to gently caress with his audience, intrinsic worth or entertainment be damned. Pffff loving whatever. Like I'm going to go into literature analysis in this thread. EDIT: I honestly think the Wheel of Time books are better at this point, that literary tire dump fire.
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May 16, 2013 04:35
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I'll complete the set by announcing that the Black Hawks of Chicago not only have the best uniforms but are also hands down the best team this season. Gonna make Frey Pie's out of the rest of the west and turn their attention to the sweet summer children of the Eastern Conference. Hell even their motto fits in with grrm's writing: Cold Steel on Ice.Shageletic posted:Yeah, its what Film Crit Hulk gets into (once you get past all the capitalization) on his review of the books. The whole drat saga is a perpetual witch-hunt by an author for ways to gently caress with his audience, intrinsic worth or entertainment be damned. And then he figured out the best way to gently caress with them was just to stop writing the books. Say what you want, but that Absolute Fucker is also an Absolute Genius.
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Sorry but I have to tell you that the Blackhawks do not have the best uniform. Orange and blue is objectively the best sports colours its Edmonton. Edmonton.
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May 16, 2013 04:43
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Titties and butts and lamprey pies.
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Shageletic posted:EDIT: I honestly think the Wheel of Time books are better at this point, that literary tire dump fire. Whoa, lets not get carried away here.
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May 16, 2013 04:57
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Orange/blue and red/black are lazy and ugly. Black and Gold with the rare purple accent. New Orleans Saints best team colors.  Comedy option: royal purple and neon green. Lol Seahawks.
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May 16, 2013 05:00
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Karma The worst thread is beginning to consume itself. Rarity, as a book reader yourself, what compelled you to take it upon yourself to take over the worst threads? Dunno. I am not watching that horrible show so I have no idea if mentioning Theon torture is a nono. AH being probated for spoiling in that thread is precious however you slice it. VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 05:17 on May 16, 2013 |
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May 16, 2013 05:10
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Why the gently caress was he probated? There's no spoilers in that post...
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May 16, 2013 05:15
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Yes but what he was talking about had been going on for quite some time in the show. Very strange.
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Fog Tripper posted:
The spoilers were probably edited out. It looks like they might have said "Ramsay" when TVIVers aren't supposed to know his name at this point.
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I guess IMDB is a spoiler source now. Glad I never post in the maester thread.
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Solice Kirsk posted:And then he figured out the best way to gently caress with them was just to stop writing the books. Say what you want, but that Absolute Fucker is also an Absolute Genius. You know, people keep bringing up the whole 'Gurm has given up writing, he's going to just talk about football and creep on the actresses until he dies, then his notes will be burned and the planned ending will vanish into oblivion and we'll never have closure' thing, but considering how most people in this thread also think, at the same time, Gurm is completely unable to finish what he started in any way that's saitisfying, maybe this is a GOOD thing. Instead of a set canon ending that will probably just disappoint everyone, you're free to decide how it ended yourself. You want Mad Queen Dany reigning over the ashes? Well there's no set ending, so why the hell can't it end that way? You want the Starks to come back and crush everyone? Just as valid as the last one! You want the White Walkers to turn it into a kingdom of the dead and ice? Sure! Hodor on the Iron Throne? WHY NOT? Dany swimming across the Narrow Sea, pointing her butt at Westeros, and drowning the whole continent in poo poo? Hey, no set ending, yours is just as valid as whatever Gurm had planned. He didn't write it down, so it's open to the world now.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:In fact, This is a legit  . See you in 50 years or so.
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It warms the cockles of my heart to know that as hard rear end and above the rabble goons try to project themselves as, they'll still shriek bloody murder over inconsequential spoilers about a loving HBO fantasy show
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Cornwind Evil posted:You know, people keep bringing up the whole 'Gurm has given up writing, he's going to just talk about football and creep on the actresses until he dies, then his notes will be burned and the planned ending will vanish into oblivion and we'll never have closure' thing, but considering how most people in this thread also think, at the same time, Gurm is completely unable to finish what he started in any way that's saitisfying, maybe this is a GOOD thing. Instead of a set canon ending that will probably just disappoint everyone, you're free to decide how it ended yourself. You want Mad Queen Dany reigning over the ashes? Well there's no set ending, so why the hell can't it end that way? You want the Starks to come back and crush everyone? Just as valid as the last one! You want the White Walkers to turn it into a kingdom of the dead and ice? Sure! Hodor on the Iron Throne? WHY NOT? Dany swimming across the Narrow Sea, pointing her butt at Westeros, and drowning the whole continent in poo poo? Hey, no set ending, yours is just as valid as whatever Gurm had planned. He didn't write it down, so it's open to the world now. So what you're saying is that after TB Thread finishes his masterful "A Game of Bones" series, he should pen a CYOA novel to conclude what GRRM is physically incapable of finishing? It's brilliant.
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run DNC posted:Sorry but I have to tell you that the Blackhawks do not have the best uniform. Orange and blue is objectively the best sports colours its Edmonton. Edmonton. So the Chicago Bears? And the Hawks do have the best uniform
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A counterpoint to the Red Wedding discussion. Yes, the entire entourage of the "good guys" is decimated, but at the same time, the Freys are systematically being assassinated while Roose Bolton only survives by the marriage of his bastard to a fraud, and that is unraveling. Tywin Lannister is dead, a product of his unconscionable actions against his son. His "heir" in Cersei is a paranoid lunatic. Jaime, our first antagonist, has been thoroughly humbled. It's less a book series of overarching themes than individual intersecting plots. These plots have consequences, and individuals bear the cost. The War of the Roses was the culmination of plots upon plots, wheels within wheels. And how did that end? Henry Tudor, barely related to anyone, seized power and killed everybody else. Not exactly romantic, but sensible. If we should ever receive an ending, it'll be something like that.
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The GRRM told hbo how it ends, so we will have closure on stuff like Dany and Jon and Stannis. But because HBO ignores all the subtle background stuff, we won't get closure on things like the Tower of Joy, the disappearance of Rickon, and Varys being a merling.
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Aurubin posted:Henry Tudor, barely related to anyone, seized power and killed everybody else. Not exactly romantic, but sensible. If we should ever receive an ending, it'll be something like that. Oh god Rickon IS going to end up being the one on the Iron Throne. Blind Sally posted:So what you're saying is that after TB Thread finishes his masterful "A Game of Bones" series, he should pen a CYOA novel to conclude what GRRM is physically incapable of finishing? Considering I'd wager that this thread probably COULD write porn parodies of the five current books and the two theoretical ones still to be written before Gurm releases Book 6, SURE. WHY NOT.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:This is not being trapped by plot. This is being trapped by characterization. Robb is repeatedly held up as being Just Like Dad. Unfortunately for him, what is one thing everyone knows Eddard Stark did? Bang some chick while away at war. Turned out okay for Dad, so Robb bangs some chick while away at war. But Robb is also really stupid and his sense of honour compels him to marry that woman, neverminding he was already promised to a Frey girl as payment for crossing the Twins. This is how Robb's characterization gets him killed, because he is His Father's Son. His honour gets his head lopped off, just like daddy. Pretty much this. Depending on what happens with Jon Snow and his 'death', it's a little to soon to play that card against GRRM before ruling out Merense Knot and masturbatory reflections on his own writing.
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Blind Sally posted:The spoilers were probably edited out. It looks like they might have said "Ramsay" when TVIVers aren't supposed to know his name at this point. It's funny, cos when they finally reveal who he is, everyone will just wonder why it was built up as such a mystery for a whole loving season. Everything about the Theon torture arc is odd. It feels like a serious misstep for the show.
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May 16, 2013 12:39
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When Theon comes out the other side a dickless shambling horror, they better use Lily Allen for all the close-ups of his new smooth crotch. Don't disappoint me, HBO! 
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Cornwind Evil posted:Dany swimming across the Narrow Sea, pointing her butt at Westeros, and drowning the whole continent in poo poo? Hey, no set ending, yours is just as valid as whatever Gurm had planned. He didn't write it down, so it's open to the world now. You've been looking at my GM notes for Game of Thrones: The Roleplaying Game, haven't you?
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I wonder what will happen after next season (GoT: Season 4) and the show has essentially caught up to the books. In baby-thread-501 will people have to speculate only based off of TV information? Will book-based speculation be banned? These are all important questions.
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Voodoo posted:I wonder what will happen after next season (GoT: Season 4) and the show has essentially caught up to the books. In baby-thread-501 will people have to speculate only based off of TV information? Will book-based speculation be banned? These are all important questions. Nah, You'll likely be crucified for even comparing the books to the show in the baby thread. CAUSE I WANNA ACT LIKE THEY DON'T EXIST.
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Someday someone will, unironically, call the books an adaptation or terrible fanfic of the show. "I don't want to read the lovely adaptation, jeez, it's been over for ten years and that guy still hasn't finished adapting the show into his terrible fanfic about poop and cake  "
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Voodoo posted:I wonder what will happen after next season (GoT: Season 4) and the show has essentially caught up to the books. In baby-thread-501 will people have to speculate only based off of TV information? Will book-based speculation be banned? These are all important questions. I know I sometimes wish books 4 and 5 didn't exist, but the show won't be caught up until 7x01 at the earliest. Also, what ^^he^^ said.
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Fog Tripper posted:The worst thread is beginning to consume itself. Rarity, as a book reader yourself, what compelled you to take it upon yourself to take over the worst threads? a) The season 1 threads were like something that came out of Dany's butt and I thought I could make the threads more fun for everyone. b) I thought I could make a bang tidy OP. Then I realised I had to do again. Ten times. A year. 
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rypakal posted:I know I sometimes wish books 4 and 5 didn't exist, but the show won't be caught up until 7x01 at the earliest. Also, what ^^he^^ said. Why are you acting like ADWD/AFFC is gonna take up 2 seasons?
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rypakal posted:I know I sometimes wish books 4 and 5 didn't exist, but the show won't be caught up until 7x01 at the earliest. Also, what ^^he^^ said. That confused me for a while too, but what I think he meant was that after next season, despite there still being two books left, when it comes to speculation about major things, both book readers and show-only people will almost be on the same page. EDIT: ADWD/AFFC will be two seasons, but will include the climaxes that GURM left out.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Someday someone will, unironically, call the books an adaptation or terrible fanfic of the show. "I don't want to read the lovely adaptation, jeez, it's been over for ten years and that guy still hasn't finished adapting the show into his terrible fanfic about poop and cake I cant wait until there's a Gurm expanded universe
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nuncle jimbo posted:I cant wait until there's a Gurm expanded universe You don't have to wait! 
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