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pigglesthepup posted:The intent was to screw with Cloud's mind in order to break his will and manipulate him, not convince Tifa. Sephiroth shuts Tifa down and out by threatening to show "what's in her heart." He's playing off her emotions very well. She turns away. Cloud breaks.
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Paracelsus posted:Why Sephiroth is doing what he does doesn't change the fact that he inadvertently left in a detail that was contradictory to the story he was telling. If Cloud and Tifa weren't freaking out, they might have been able to pick up on it. Well, the thing is he didn't leave it in by accident. He gave them a completely accurate vision of what happened, and he really did say that. I don't think he was actually capable of changing the memory, but since it was a memory that had been repressed already he took the opportunity to bring it up to gently caress with Cloud.
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Paracelsus posted:Why Sephiroth is doing what he does doesn't change the fact that he inadvertently left in a detail that was contradictory to the story he was telling. If Cloud and Tifa weren't freaking out, they might have been able to pick up on it. But Cloud and Tifa were freaking out. It's dramatic irony: you, the player as audience, sees something that the characters in the story don't. It's the "there's something to this whole thing..." effect on the audience. It keeps us interested in what's going on.
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apostateCourier posted:You remember the picnic area with the table, plates, and the thing that Cody sneaks into the studio through?  Okay enough of that, back to this. Paracelsus posted:Why Sephiroth is doing what he does doesn't change the fact that he inadvertently left in a detail that was contradictory to the story he was telling. If Cloud and Tifa weren't freaking out, they might have been able to pick up on it.
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I just realized, for being (arguably) the most discussed video game badguy, we rarely meet Sephiroth face to face. And yes, technically the only time we've ACTUALLY seen Sephiroth was in the Northern Cave in the Lifestream cocoon. But still, the physical appearances by Seph only happen in a few places to this point: The boat from Junon to Costa Del Sol The basement of the mansion in Nibelheim Temple of the Ancients City of the Ancients Northern Cave In most FF games the villain seems to show up at every possible opportunity to gently caress with the party. It's pretty awesome that Sephiroth only has to physically appear when he/Jenova need to redirect Cloud to continue on to the Northern Cave. I don't really have a point to this, just an observation.
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I played through this game when it came out... at an... 8(?) year old. Good god, I can't believe my reading comprehension was so bad then. I have always thought Cloud was a clone and that was the twist. poo poo, the fact he isn't is so great.
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Dauntasa posted:Well, the thing is he didn't leave it in by accident. He gave them a completely accurate vision of what happened, and he really did say that. I don't think he was actually capable of changing the memory, but since it was a memory that had been repressed already he took the opportunity to bring it up to gently caress with Cloud. FinalGamer posted:What was the detail that Sephiroth left in, just to see if they could figure it out on their own or not? It's been a while so I'm kinda trying to flick through everything in my head about what he said.
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So I was looking back at the first version of the flashback in Kalm, and I just realized that every time I'd played this game I'd forgotten all about the bit where Cloud talks to his mom by the time I got to the real version of the flashback. Where she goes "So is that a SOLDIER uniform?" and everything suddenly gets all weird and Cloud refuses to talk about it anymore. That actually makes sense now.
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Dauntasa posted:So I was looking back at the first version of the flashback in Kalm, and I just realized that every time I'd played this game I'd forgotten all about the bit where Cloud talks to his mom by the time I got to the real version of the flashback. Where she goes "So is that a SOLDIER uniform?" and everything suddenly gets all weird and Cloud refuses to talk about it anymore. That actually makes sense now. Hot. Diggity. Day-um.
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Aces High posted:With all that aside I will take a 180 and talk about why I also hate this game. As people have said above there are many  You've just revealed something so ironic it has to be profound.These fans of this game have false memories of a game the didn't play, featuring characters that never existed, and these fantasies are corroborated by other like minded fans that have twisted the truth. They are doing this over Final Fantasy VII. A game that features as a major point of the story, a person who has false memories about a visit that didn't happen, to a town that no longer exists, and this fantasy is corroborated by a close friend who has twisted the truth of what actually happened. This major plot point is very often glossed over by these fans.  Fiction has approximately gently caress all on reality.
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Ice Fist posted:I think I said earlier in the thread that I haven't played this game and I'm glad I didn't when it came out. I would not have appreciated the writing. Maybe someday I'll scrounge up a system to play it, but this LP is at least showing me what all the fuss is about. It's available on PSN for  if you have a PS3 and feel like picking it up.
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Dauntasa posted:So I was looking back at the first version of the flashback in Kalm, and I just realized that every time I'd played this game I'd forgotten all about the bit where Cloud talks to his mom by the time I got to the real version of the flashback. Where she goes "So is that a SOLDIER uniform?" and everything suddenly gets all weird and Cloud refuses to talk about it anymore. That actually makes sense now. Also, in the scene with Airbuster and President Shinra at reactor 5, the president remembers hearing that a SOLDIER has joined AVALANCHE, but he can't remember cloud personally. It makes complete sense at the time, since the president says he can't remember everyone unless they're "another Sephiroth", but he points out Clouds eyes, so he must be that SOLDIER. Cloud just repeats Sephiroth's name, seemingly confused by what he just heard.
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Aces High posted:With all that aside I will take a 180 and talk about why I also hate this game. As people have said above there are many CzarChasm posted:
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This seemed worth sharing for the Hojo scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmr2cwSFvs8 Also it's a promo for a Final Fantasy speedrun charity marathon coming up soon so if that's your thing take a look! http://www.thespeedgamers.com/
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If anyone's avoiding youtube links because of spoilers (yes there are still more to come) in the comments and related videos, go to polsy.org.uk and paste the link in there
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CzarChasm posted:These fans of this game have false memories of a game the didn't play, featuring characters that never existed, and these fantasies are corroborated by other like minded fans that have twisted the truth. Square Enix, aware of the discrepancy between fans memories of the game and the events of the game itself, gives those fans stories that latch on in a very loose sense to the facts of the original. It brings in fantastic elements and superhuman abilities, hammering home the message that this is exactly what the main premise of the series is, so that these fans will continue to bring them gold in the form of buying merchandise and Extended Universe materials and promoting tie-ins with other works and series'. Their main lynch-pin in a lot of this material is playing Sephiroth up as a beautiful, sinister and magical lead villain character whose conflict with the idealized protagonist is one of just this same kind of magic and superhuman action. Underneath the surface, Sephiroth was simply a trickster and a manipulator, controlling the psychologically vulnerable Cloud into bringing him what he needed to dominate the world. Yes, had a certain amount of clout once upon a time but, when confronted with this ability to gain power through illusion and deception through the alien forces he discovered he could wield for himself, opened the way for his own defeat at the hands of an ordinary but emotionally complex soldier. Square predicted their own failure by casting themselves as the villain of their own work.
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MSPaintClock posted:I'm so excited for Final Fantasy XIII Versus if that's the case, because it's been in pre-production phase for years. I'm really excited for Versus too, because with Nomura at the helm it could be as good as The World Ends With You. I'm convinced that it's just been held off due to Final Fantasy XIII and XIV: A Realm Reborn needing everyone to stop their own projects to help finish them, and Nomura's just been cracking out a few KH games until he can finish Versus. It's been rumoured that Sony, the worst keeper of secrets in the industry, is collaborating with Square Enix to make it a PS4 game, and that's what SE was referring to as the new FF game they're revealing at E3. I'm looking forward to being hopelessly enthusiastic until the actual announcement that it's a console port of All The Bravest. Anyway, I'm glad that there are some people who look past the Extended Universe and impressions from the first 30 minutes to actually see what made this game so great. It's a shame that the script is simply too big for a fan translation to be easily made, even though technically it's simple to replace dialogue in the PC version. It supposedly has three times the amount of dialogue compared to FFVI, so a proper cohesive translation would be a fantastic, and more important than any graphical remake.
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Indeterminacy posted:I can go one better! And they continue to cast Cloud in these roles, using him as a...puppet. No wonder Cloud went emo. Dude can't know of his real self and just have it. He's been imprisoned by his creators. There needs to be a "Free Cloud" movement. 
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Despite how much Cloud VS Sephiroth is played up in Kingdom Hearts and the EU I find it interesting that the two of them have very little history as being "rivals". During the first flashback Cloud described him as a war buddy, but now we see that the two of them barely knew each other personally. While Cloud idolized the legendary soldier, Sephiroth only knew Cloud as some grunt from Nibelheim no more than he knew about the other mooks under his command. Hell I feel like Sephiroth only started finding out who Cloud was on the cargo ship at Junon, probably using Jenova mind powers or something and that would just have been because of Jenova Cells.Elentor posted:Chapter 27 - It's a Boat time (I think there's also a line where Sephiroth asks "Cloud? Cloud who?") Maybe he recognised Cloud as that kid who threw him off of a bridge, or realised that he could control Cloud and that he would be useful. Either way I quite like the idea that Cloud harbours massive resentment for the guy, and Sephiroth just looks back and goes "Wait who are you? Hey I could use you as a puppet, whoever you are  "
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Rygorous posted:Despite how much Cloud VS Sephiroth is played up in Kingdom Hearts and the EU I find it interesting that the two of them have very little history as being "rivals". During the first flashback Cloud described him as a war buddy, but now we see that the two of them barely knew each other personally. While Cloud idolized the legendary soldier, Sephiroth only knew Cloud as some grunt from Nibelheim no more than he knew about the other mooks under his command. Hell I feel like Sephiroth only started finding out who Cloud was on the cargo ship at Junon, probably using Jenova mind powers or something and that would just have been because of Jenova Cells. Sephiroth didn't really need a pawn. Remember Jenova which Sephiroth had control over could detach just a single tentacle which would transform into another giant Jenova creature. He could have easily just sacrificed one of those arms to get the Black Materia. He didn't just want to get the Black Materia though. He wanted to take it from Cloud in order to show Cloud how powerless he really was. The men in black aren't so much servants as they are unwanted followers. The only reason I think he kept them around for so long was simply to gently caress with Cloud. If Sephiroth didn't know who Cloud was then the whole boat sequence wouldn't have even gone down. Heck I doubt Sephiroth would even have bothered killing Shinra if he didn't know who Cloud was. It's not like Shinra Inc is even a threat to Sephiroth. The plot of FF7 where Sephiroth had never known Cloud would be that Cloud simply one day looked up and spotted Meteor in the sky since frankly speaking Jenova can fly and easily get the Black Materia and return it to the Northern Crater in just 2-3 days. The whole world would go into a panic trying to stop it and Sephiroth would be sitting in his cave laughing the whole time since no one except maybe Aeris would even know he had been the one to summon it. CzarChasm posted:
pigglesthepup posted:I think I know what you might be referring to, but I too am going to wait for the LP to get there. I'd like to clarify what I meant by Cloud stumbling upon Jenova's chamber at Shinra HQ, but that's kinda hard without it being a major spoiler. However, as for Sephiroth fuming about it...I wouldn't go with "fuming," but certainly frustrated about being trapped in a giant materia with no feasible way to carry out his master plan. Still not sure about always planned. Of course this could all just be a translation error but this part of the game isn't really poorly translated. FrancisYorkMorgan fucked around with this message at 03:12 on May 17, 2013 |
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Cloud and Sephiroth having borderline homoerotic rivalry might be the most obnoxious part of the EU. Sephiroth didn't really give a gently caress. I mean yeah, Jenova did open that cell door to release one of the pawns, but it's not like Sephiroth specifically groomed Cloud for the job. The joke is that you see all those pathetic black caped dudes limping after Sephiroth and trying to get the black materia so they can give it to him... Which is exactly what you were doing. Cloud probably wasn't special to him in any other real sense that he was the most useful of them. I doubt the line "Just like you" has that kind of implications. It wouldn't really make sense for Cloud to be so broken up about not making it to SOLDIER if he had gone that far in the regular military. It'd kind of undermine a lot if the plottwists was that instead of being a super-badass SOLDIER operative the main character is actually BioMe fucked around with this message at 03:35 on May 17, 2013 |
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FrancisYorkMorgan posted:Sephiroth knew who Cloud was. It's also possible he saw "dude with Jenova cells but a weak will who is furthermore hanging out with the last Ancient" and decided, hey, I could USE this.
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BioMe posted:I doubt the line "Just like you" has that kind of implications. The Japanese line is "おまえごときに…" It's more like "The likes of you...", which doesn't necessarily show much familiarity. So I'd say Sephiroth doesn't really know Cloud that well, he just knows that he's some grunt who shouldn't matter, thus the disbelief.
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Reading these last few updates and the replies to them made me realize a funny thing about the EU and the plot points it actually manages to retain. Yeah, they gently caress up Cloud's characterization and a ton of Sephiroth's character too, to the point that they're basically hollow imitations of the characters we're seeing here. I would bet if they did a remake of FFVII from the ground up they would completely butcher the story as it is here. But Sephiroth's unhealthy obsession with Cloud? The one the EU loves so much and that people say is another character exaggeration? That really DID originate from FFVII, going by all the statements about Sephiroth's literally sitting in a cave for five years to figure out how best to gently caress up the no-name grunt who threw him down a reactor shaft. Of course I could be completely misinterpreting this and regardless, it did get massively exacerbated in all the related material but it seems like it's there. It's amusing that of all the terrible things the EU created that flew in the face of the original story, probably one of the most famous and maligned facets originated from the game all the abominations in the EU descended from.
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FrancisYorkMorgan posted:Sephiroth knew who Cloud was. Remember he personally opened up the door to Cloud's cell in the Shinra Building and left the sword in Shinra's body just to tell Cloud that he had returned. Also when he says that he doesn't know who Cloud is he is alluding to the fact that Cloud was never in SOLDIER and never went to Nibelheim. He's been laying out the whole dramatic Northern Crater Mindbreak from day one. Sephiroth is Norman Bates meets Hannibal Lecter. quote:I've been thinking about what you said about Sephiroth's comment to Cloud as he is leaving the reactor with Jenova's head. "Just like you" is a hell of a comment in the context of that scene since it implies all sorts of poo poo about Cloud's past as a Shinra Soldier if it was actually directed at Cloud. Not only does it imply Sephiroth might have personally known Cloud a bit more than the game lets on but it says they have history and in that time Cloud proved he had what it took to actually land a direct hit on Sephiroth. He may be a grunt but in order to even work with Sephiroth I imagine it would have required quite a few accomplishments on his part to get to that level. Basically Cloud is as elite as a Shinra grunt could get. The "just like you" line would fit into Sephiroth's dislike for the human race (after all that reading he did in the basement), but it doesn't because he asks Cloud that personal questions about visiting his hometown. How would Sephiroth know it was Cloud's hometown or even ask him about it in such a personal way? Why would he even care? It's an implication of something. Translation issue, maybe, but they put those lines in the script. I agree with the Cloud having needed to accomplish things to work directly under someone like Sephiroth. The one part of the FF7 universe that I always wanted to know more was exactly what Cloud did during those two years in the military as a grunt. Part of the reason I want to play Crisis Core, but since bastardizing Cloud has been Square's modus operandi lately... BioMe posted:I doubt the line "Just like you" has that kind of implications. It wouldn't really make sense for Cloud to be so broken up about not making it to SOLDIER if he had gone that far in the regular military. It'd kind of undermine a lot if the plottwists was that instead of being a super-badass SOLDIER operative the main character is actually But Cloud had a massive inferiority complex. He had to make SOLDIER because it was the best of the best. There's different ranks within a regular army of grunts, but Cloud wanted to make SOLDIER, not the regular army. It's like becoming a Naval Seal. It's ultra-elite. Cloud really wanted that to prove himself. Any less wasn't good enough. vgperson posted:The Japanese line is "おまえごときに…" It's more like "The likes of you...", which doesn't necessarily show much familiarity. So I'd say Sephiroth doesn't really know Cloud that well, he just knows that he's some grunt who shouldn't matter, thus the disbelief. I would agree if Sephiroth wasn't also asking him a personal question about visiting his hometown. Why Sephiroth bother asking a nameless grunt? And if dismissing him to visit family (as he did in the first flashback) is still credible, why would do that too? He's doesn't have to ask these questions or, as his commanding officer, give that permission. Why would he care? Also not implying any homo-eroticism, or former BFFs, or even a close relationship, just that they were a military unit and commanding officers learn things about their underlings because they're in charge of them. Even if this was Cloud's first mission with Sephiroth, Sephiroth would need to know his unit because it's part of his job. pigglesthepup fucked around with this message at 04:19 on May 17, 2013 |
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So earlier in the thread I made a comparison between Cloud and Agent York from Deadly Premonition based on the reveal-to-come. But now that the cat's out of the bag, I'm just going to outright ask for a fanart of York cosplaying Cloud while talking to Zac
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FrancisYorkMorgan posted:Sephiroth knew who Cloud was. Remember he personally opened up the door to Cloud's cell in the Shinra Building and left the sword in Shinra's body just to tell Cloud that he had returned. Also when he says that he doesn't know who Cloud is he is alluding to the fact that Cloud was never in SOLDIER and never went to Nibelheim. He's been laying out the whole dramatic Northern Crater Mindbreak from day one.
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Scalding Coffee posted:That was Jenova in a Sephiroth suit. Best way to describe all of Sephiroth's appearances outside of the Northern Cave. 
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's also possible he saw "dude with Jenova cells but a weak will who is furthermore hanging out with the last Ancient" and decided, hey, I could USE this. BioMe posted:Cloud and Sephiroth having borderline homoerotic rivalry might be the most obnoxious part of the EU. If Sephiroth saw Cloud as having any value then Sephiroth was a complete moron since he never needed a tool like Cloud to begin with. Why wait for Cloud to lug his rear end all the way to the Temple of the Ancients when Sephiroth could just have Jenova fly there herself after getting the Keystone. Eject an arm to get the Black Materia and then fly the Materia back to the Northern Crater. Why wait for Cloud before he killed Aeris? If we are assuming Sephiroth is so competent then he would have just killed her and been done with. Instead he waited for Cloud to show up so he could mind control him to do it as a means of hurting Cloud further. When that failed he jumped down to deliver the killing blow himself as Jenova. If Sephiroth always knew it was Cloud then it explains why he did everything that he did. Why go to Nibelheim again? Why specifically wait in the basement of the mansion just to lecture Cloud about how he is unworthy to be part of the reunion that is about to take place. Think about it. Jenova has no reason to do such a thing. Sephiroth has every reason. More than anyone else Sephiroth is trapped in the shadow of what happened 5 years ago. Not because of the horrors of what he did but because he can't get over Cloud humiliating him. When he was at the very height of his power and the so called chosen one destined to return the world back to the control of the ancients a lone grunt appeared out of nowhere and not only wounded him but then proceeded to kill him. By denying that Sephiroth did most of what he did in order to gently caress with Cloud then you are actually making this game harder to understand. Everything that happened during the first disc is easily explained by Sephiroth's motivation to humiliate and destroy Cloud. By denying that such motivation was in any way important to his behavior then frankly you are denying yourself the ability to make sense of any of his actions during the first disc since the only way they even make sense is by acknowledging the fact that from the beginning Sephiroth had two objectives. Objective A: Summon Meteor and Become a God Objective B: RUIN CLOUD'S LIFE IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE AND HAVE HIM PERSONALLY DELIVER THE BLACK MATERIA TO ME If he had just pursed objective A then Cloud is never important. Neither are the men in black. He can do all of that on his own without anyone even knowing he was going to summon meteor. Objective B is why he spent so long just screwing with Cloud and hinting that Cloud was a failure and not a real member of SOLDIER. He wanted to undermine Cloud's confidence and slowly fill him with doubts that way he could eventually rip him to pieces at the Northern Crater. On the ship he purposefully denied Cloud's identity so he could later deny he took part at Nibelheim or was even Cloud to begin with. The encounter at the mansion was to law the foundation for him being just a clone and a puppet. The Temple of the Ancients and Forgotten City were where he built on the foundation that Cloud was just a puppet with no real will or say of his own. The Northern Crater was where he finally broke Cloud and convinced him that in the end he was nothing but a clone and a failure at that. In doing so he finally destroyed Cloud enough that he could then have Cloud deliver the Black Materia to him willingly. vgperson posted:The Japanese line is "おまえごときに…" It's more like "The likes of you...", which doesn't necessarily show much familiarity. So I'd say Sephiroth doesn't really know Cloud that well, he just knows that he's some grunt who shouldn't matter, thus the disbelief. Also it shows how angry Sephiroth was that he managed to even get hit by some grunt like Cloud to begin with. It really riled him up good. Sephiroth's biggest weakness is his pride in the end.
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vgperson posted:The Japanese line is "おまえごときに…" It's more like "The likes of you...", which doesn't necessarily show much familiarity. So I'd say Sephiroth doesn't really know Cloud that well, he just knows that he's some grunt who shouldn't matter, thus the disbelief. Crisis Core changing his line to "How dare you?" backs this up. Speaking of... pigglesthepup posted:The one part of the FF7 universe that I always wanted to know more was exactly what Cloud did during those two years in the military as a grunt. Part of the reason I want to play Crisis Core, but since bastardizing Cloud has been Square's modus operandi lately... Crisis Core actually handles Cloud pretty well, which is surprising for EU. I'd point to the Crisis Core LP, but apparently it hasn't updated since March and hasn't gotten all that far yet.
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I'd like to ask you guys to tone down EU talk a bit. The EU answers a lot of questions posted in this thread which I want to remain open for a reason. At this point it's not so much spoilers (you guys have been doing ok with that) as much as consistency. I want to stick to the vision of the original game, the questions it arises and what not. The EU pretty much answers everything and whatever else is left has been given an official response from the devs. When the LP is over I will open EU talk, but I'd like to ask you guys to control yourselves a bit right now. While we're at it - how many more of you guys still following the thread have never played the game? I saw some throughout the past pages, and while the input of past players is important, I really, really enjoy reading the feedback from people who never played it before since they come far and few.
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Elentor posted:While we're at it - how many more of you guys still following the thread have never played the game? I saw some throughout the past pages, and while the input of past players is important, I really, really enjoy reading the feedback from people who never played it before since they come far and few. Never touched it myself. I'm one of those that was interested but never got a copy and sat down to it. And yeah, while this is probably the best FF now that we've hit all these plot points, I remember my friends who had played it and they mentioned none of this poo poo beyond Aeris being dead.
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Elentor posted:While we're at it - how many more of you guys still following the thread have never played the game? I saw some throughout the past pages, and while the input of past players is important, I really, really enjoy reading the feedback from people who never played it before since they come far and few. I've only played a few minutes of the game (I think it was the flashback in Kalm and a few battles and then I stopped because it was very slow on my cousin's PSP Go), but it's really cool how this game is playing out and how some have misinterpreted it since it was released 15 years ago. Pretty neat, if you ask me. 
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Elentor posted:While we're at it - how many more of you guys still following the thread have never played the game? I saw some throughout the past pages, and while the input of past players is important, I really, really enjoy reading the feedback from people who never played it before since they come far and few. I've only played up to the point where you first get the Black Materia and am coming to understand why some of my friends liked this game so much back when it came out... Despite most of what you hear about the game being "Aeris dies", "Summon <X> is awesome!", "Sephiroth is a badass", etc. No-one has ever mentioned this part to me before and it's fantastic to see someone showing why the game is good not just hearing what people remember.
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Elentor posted:While we're at it - how many more of you guys still following the thread have never played the game? I saw some throughout the past pages, and while the input of past players is important, I really, really enjoy reading the feedback from people who never played it before since they come far and few.
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May 17, 2013 08:23
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That loving Sned posted:... be as good as The World Ends With You. Okay, could someone please explain what is so good about that game? I've played it twice for a half hour and I just can't get into it. IRC it was just a generic rhythm game.
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May 17, 2013 08:29
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