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tviolet posted:Does someone here understand Reichstag if so please explain (possibly crosspost to every thread) Yes, he often takes photographs of food in unconventional locations, since after all this is a thread for photographs of food in general, not just Bon Appetit magazine covers. Did you have any further questions?
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How is this different from a very new photographer taking pictures with bad lighting and cropping?
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May 18, 2013 02:16
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Reichstag posted:
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My kid could take these pictures. Terrible
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tviolet posted:How is this different from a very new photographer taking pictures with bad lighting and cropping? Because actual care was taken to achieve the desired effect, which is pretty obvious in most of them. It's fine if you don't personally appreciate his photographs. Myself, I find them quite good overall. However, "I don't understand a dude's work therefore it's poo poo" is ignorant as hell and not really contributing anything. Also, quote:(possibly crosspost to every thread) If you have a beef with him or something you should probably take it up via PM. SoundMonkey fucked around with this message at 02:29 on May 18, 2013 |
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May 18, 2013 02:27
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tviolet posted:How is this different from a very new photographer taking pictures with bad lighting and cropping? because reichstag's photos aren't mistakes
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atomicthumbs posted:because reichstag's photos aren't mistakes That's interesting, seriously. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 18, 2013 02:42
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SoundMonkey posted:If you have a beef with him or something you should probably take it up via PM. I'm not about to give lowtax more money to get PM's asking me to explain myself.
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May 18, 2013 02:52
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dukeku posted:My kid could take these pictures. Terrible Congrats on being a dad.
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May 18, 2013 02:59
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When I first started posting here I didn't like Reichstag. I never posted anything about him, though -- just kept looking at his stuff. Now, I like Reichstag and his stuff. Dorkroom magic, I guess. This is pizza. It's on a cutting board because that's where I put it so I could cut it.  SPGL6895 by nick.kneer, on Flickr
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May 18, 2013 03:04
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Your crust is way thick and heavy looking. :-/
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May 18, 2013 03:49
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Reichstag posted:Your crust is way thick and heavy looking. :-/ It was a bit thick. We liked it a lot, though -- it's the pain a l'ancienne dough so it was actually pretty airy / creamy rather than heavy. It does look heavy in the picture though.
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dakana posted:It was a bit thick. We liked it a lot, though -- it's the pain a l'ancienne dough so it was actually pretty airy / creamy rather than heavy. It does look heavy in the picture though. Nice! I've never made my own pizza dough before, really need to try it.
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May 18, 2013 04:02
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 _5170054.jpg by MrDespair, on Flickr I'd eat the hell out of that pizza, but I like a good thick crust.
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May 18, 2013 04:14
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I hate the majority of the low-fi food photos in this thread except the latest ones from Reichstag and maybe a couple other people. But I dunno, what do I know? Also if you're going to thick crust it totally needs to be dipped in grease and double baked. For all commercial food photography all looking the same a surprising number of people can't do it at all.
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May 18, 2013 04:50
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Well you probably know what you like and don't like when it comes to photography, and that's pretty cool 
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I'll be the first to admit that some of the stuff in here isn't for everyone, but that's why I like Dorkroom, we can not like things and generally be pretty civil about it (slapnuts up there notwithstanding).
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May 18, 2013 06:08
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Glamour food photography is anonymous when it is done well, it's a commercial trade, not an art.
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I think the line blurs at a certain level. As with any genre, people are chosen for certain cookbooks/ad campaigns/etc because of their artistic vision. Not to mention, you know, the whole pop/commercial art discussion in general.
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May 18, 2013 15:33
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I don't understand why arranging and photographing food in [what most people would consider] an aesthetically pleasing and appetizing manner can't be an art.
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I get that Reichstag is trying to subvert the idea that visual art needs to be aesthetically pleasing to be compelling, but I wouldn't record myself slamming my forehead on a keyboard and call it music just because it wasn't a "mistake". No offense intended.
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William T. Hornaday posted:I don't understand why arranging and photographing food in [what most people would consider] an aesthetically pleasing and appetizing manner can't be an art. I think it can, I'm not sure who stated otherwise. The recently posted pizza being a perfect example, I think it looks great, it's surely worthy of gracing the pages of a publication whose readers like that sort of thing, there's just also a place for less conventional approaches. Also could we please sort of not have the derail (again) about the relative merits of someone's particular aesthetic and just go with the usually-working policy of "if you don't like it, don't comment on it, or politely (not fake politely) ask what the person was going for when they took that shot"? I like this thread and I like food photography in both the sorta classical sense and also weird poo poo, so I'd prefer not to have to burn it down. dakana posted:When I first started posting here I didn't like Reichstag. I never posted anything about him, though -- just kept looking at his stuff. Now, I like Reichstag and his stuff. Dorkroom magic, I guess. The exact same was true of me, I remember specifically disliking his food stuff for a while, but it's grown on me a lot, and I think a few other people as well. For those who don't like that style - give it a shot. Even if you're not pleased with the results, it's pretty fun.
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Subyng posted:I get that Reichstag is trying to subvert the idea that visual art needs to be aesthetically pleasing to be compelling, but I wouldn't record myself slamming my forehead on a keyboard and call it music just because it wasn't a "mistake". No offense intended. gently caress you and your ideas about what is aesthetically pleasing. e: tviolet posted:How is this different from a very new photographer taking pictures with bad lighting and cropping?
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SoundMonkey posted:I think it can, I'm not sure who stated otherwise. I dunno, that's what I interpreted "glamour food photography ... it's a commercial trade, not an art" to mean.
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I'm posting photos instead of arguing about the same ol stupid "ART" poo poo. lovely photos of lovely food.  
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Whitezombi posted:I'm posting photos instead of arguing about the same ol stupid "ART" poo poo. Man I would eat funnel cake all day erry day if it wasn't for that whole heart disease thing. Reichstag posted:Nice! I've never made my own pizza dough before, really need to try it. You should, it's super easy to do a basic pizza dough: X grams of flour .65X - .7X grams of water yeast salt Mix, knead, rise, roll, rest, top, bake. Bake at the hottest temp your oven can support. gently caress I love making pizza at home.
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Diggin' the shadow on the right.
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I think this photo is very interesting. I was going to post and ask what it was but when I clicked through to his flickr it had the explanation. I'm having a hard time believing that the dislike for his stuff in this thread is genuine.
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mediaphage posted:Man I would eat funnel cake all day erry day if it wasn't for that whole heart disease thing. So -.05X grams of water? I originally wanted to learn more about photography so I could take pictures of food I cooked. Now I don't cook enough good things to take pictures of the food, but I'm neck deep in photography.
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Toasted challah with strawberry jam and Gorgonzola. Stinky cheese is love. <3
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Reichstag posted:Toasted challah with strawberry jam and Gorgonzola. Stinky cheese is love. <3 Downright shameful if that isnt at the very least, homemade freezer jam. 
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Why is the discussion of art and such discouraged in this thread? Why is no one attempting to subvert the general aesthetic in the weddings or concert thread? As a fledgling commercial food photographer I'd like to have a thread in which my skills can be honed instead of mocked for not attempting high brow art. It seems everyone with similar interest is discouraged by Reichstag and others who bully-curate this thread into their own version of food photography because they got upset when the masses took to Instagram and overshadowed their filtered high brow with filtered food. I don't mean to be disrespectful to Reichstag, his photos have just as much weight as any, but I've seen a lot of talented food photographers give up posting because their photos were met with scorn. There is nothing wrong with wanting to take a photograph that could grace the cover of Bon Appétit. I was under the impression that fostering artistic skill what this sub forum was about.
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mdtyson posted:Why is the discussion of art and such discouraged in this thread? Why is no one attempting to subvert the general aesthetic in the weddings or concert thread? As a fledgling commercial food photographer I'd like to have a thread in which my skills can be honed instead of mocked for not attempting high brow art. It seems everyone with similar interest is discouraged by Reichstag and others who bully-curate this thread into their own version of food photography because they got upset when the masses took to Instagram and overshadowed their filtered high brow with filtered food. Various people complain about any style of photography. One particular style just happens to be a bit more prevalent recently. Also "bully-curate" is my new favourite word and god I wish I could namechange people.
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mdtyson posted:Why is the discussion of art and such discouraged in this thread? Why is no one attempting to subvert the general aesthetic in the weddings or concert thread? As a fledgling commercial food photographer I'd like to have a thread in which my skills can be honed instead of mocked for not attempting high brow art. It seems everyone with similar interest is discouraged by Reichstag and others who bully-curate this thread into their own version of food photography because they got upset when the masses took to Instagram and overshadowed their filtered high brow with filtered food. Please direct us to a post in which scorn was heaped upon the more conventional food photographs in this thread, or to an example of this "bully-curation." All I see is more people than before taking unconventional food photos and posting them in here. I also see more discussion of art than before, not less. Wedding photography - or really any photography done for the benefit of a client - isn't exactly an easy place to do something different, unless your client specifically wants it (not likely). edit: the only "scorn" I can find in this thread is for Reichstag's photos. Are you saying that people posting in support of Reichstag's photos in this thread are trying to make you feel bad for not getting it or something? MrBlandAverage fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 22, 2013 |
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mdtyson posted:Why is the discussion of art and such discouraged in this thread? Why is no one attempting to subvert the general aesthetic in the weddings or concert thread? As a fledgling commercial food photographer I'd like to have a thread in which my skills can be honed instead of mocked for not attempting high brow art. It seems everyone with similar interest is discouraged by Reichstag and others who bully-curate this thread into their own version of food photography because they got upset when the masses took to Instagram and overshadowed their filtered high brow with filtered food. Post in PAD then. Its where people intentionally ask for crits and where people like me who will mock your "art" are usually probated. It would help if there wasnt some closed minded thinking about art as it is. Just because someone doesnt get it, doesnt mean its not art. Subjective opinions and all. The discussion rarely stays civil and usually goes more to MY KID CAN DO BETTER direction than about actual conversations as to how the author arrived at their end result. It also doesnt help that people may not have thick skin when it comes to getting crits. There has been some talent ITT that was ruined by not having attention to minor details. They get all caremad about having it pointed out and then ragequit. As for being caremad at the explosion of foodtography, I personally aint. Most of the foodtography I see is more of a humblebrag than about art.
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SoundMonkey posted:Various people complain about any style of photography. One particular style just happens to be a bit more prevalent recently. Also "bully-curate" is my new favourite word and god I wish I could namechange people. Fair enough and I'm flattered. MrBlandAverage posted:Please direct us to a post in which scorn was heaped upon the more conventional food photographs in this thread, or to an example of this "bully-curation." All I see is more people than before taking unconventional food photos and posting them in here. I also see more discussion of art than before, not less. I'm not writing a thesis on bully-curation (though maybe I should...) and I'm not upset by the uptick in unconventional photos, in fact, as someone whose clients are chefs and restauranteurs, I like seeing poo poo I haven't thought of. I'm not talking about "getting" his photos. I'm talking about this forum being a place to work on your skills through critique. Sometimes those skills are artistic, sometimes they're simple ways of making an image look better. Musket posted:Post in PAD then. Its where people intentionally ask for crits and where people like me who will mock your "art" are usually probated. I want to encourage discussion of "art" as well as talk "shop" with others in the same field. I see this in other threads, perhaps there just aren't that many professional food photographers floating around. Edit: I guess, to sum it up, there seems to be a disagreement on whether this thread is a classroom or a gallery. mdtyson fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 22, 2013 |
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mdtyson posted:I guess, to sum it up, there seems to be a disagreement on whether this thread is a classroom or a gallery. Why can't it be both? In fact... let's have a  Mod Challenge Lite so we can all move past this and be entertained.Since you're an aspiring commercial food photographer (which I think is pretty cool, incidentally), this should be easy for you. Your assignment is to take at least five photographs in what you consider to be "Reichstag style" over the course of the next week, and post them here. They will be judged by Reichstag with oversight by me in case he just tells you to eat chain or something. If you do not complete this, you won't be banned or probated forever or anything, but something mildly unpleasant will probably happen. I strongly recommend you complete this challenge because I think you'll find that that style is actually really fun to shoot. So yeah. One week. Five photos. Mod challenge.
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SoundMonkey posted:Why can't it be both? Give me until the first, I've got a couple other assignments. Sounds fun! Reichstag, I challenge you to take five "Bon Appétit worthy" photos. 
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mdtyson posted:Give me until the first, I've got a couple other assignments. Sounds fun! The first is close enough. Also while it is of course not a mod sanctioned challenge I'd love to see Reich attempt mainstream commercial food photography 
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