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KoldPT
Oct 9, 2012
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.419802641388539.85714.143379419030864&type=1

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TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

I'm glad Paradox realizes how important LP's are to their business, I probably wouldn't own any Paradox games if I hadn't encountered them that way.

Alikchi
Aug 18, 2010

Thumbs up I agree


I want to die.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Necroneocon posted:

That's pretty dumb as hell to shoot down. "Hey let me make a thread to show people how to play a game?" "No, why would anyone read that? I'm a idiot, sorry"

Rather a How the Hell do you Play Victoria 2 HoD LP than whatever else someone was going to do.

It's my understanding that the three-month rule is enforced even for "plot-less" games so that people won't, for example, try to bumrush an EU4 LP before anyone actually knows how to play it yet, including the LPer.

That said, the rules also have the following clause: "Additionally, you can LP indie games and projects before the three-month rule passes if you ask the game's author/staff and they give you approval."

Between Darkrenown and Wiz, I'd say we have approval, but I don't know if Paradox games are (still) considered indie.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




I hate memes so much (except for the cool, totally ironic ones in the meme thread). Just look at 'Culturally Oblivious Girl' or whatever that meme is. Yes, how could she not have known that Darkest Hour refers to a modded version of a niche grand strategy game, what a vapid slut.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006



Maybe I'm meme oblivious but most of those just seem to be HOI phrases mixed with random unrelated meme pictures.

Like, is there some sort of automatic meme generator where you just punch in a stupid phrase and it shits out your words with a random picture behind it? Oh god, of course there is, isn't there?

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


TOOT BOOT posted:

I'm glad Paradox realizes how important LP's are to their business, I probably wouldn't own any Paradox games if I hadn't encountered them that way.

Same here. The Hohenzollern and Texas LPs are what got me into the games in the first place.

Chump Farts
May 9, 2009

There is no Coordinator but Narduzzi, and Shilique is his Prophet.

Is invading France supposed to be a challenge?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

I had to chuckle at the Morpheus/lenin one due to having run into that bug too many times but dear Christ the other ones suck.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Jakse posted:

Is invading France supposed to be a challenge?

It loving is in DH. But I'm terrible at DH.

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won
I'm (still) terrible at the HoI games, so I still can't do it. In the meantime, I'm too busy playing HoD or god knows else, so maybe during uni break I'll get back around to HoI3. I'm determined to love that game if it kills me :smith: It's been far too long since I play CK2 as well, and I think at this point I'm never going back to EU3.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

Kavak posted:

Same here. The Hohenzollern and Texas LPs are what got me into the games in the first place.

The only reason I even considered getting HoI 3 was because of a few crazy AARs I found on their forums, and I'm pretty sure that I've spent more time in that game than in Vicky 2 and EU III combined. Though I know I'm pretty much alone in that opinion.

Chessylite
Jan 21, 2009

Excretus ex fortuna
Does anyone know what happened to Ubik and Magn-uh I mean World Stage in the end?

There was a constant stream of gibbering lunacy coming from the guy for months but, as of last month or so, he has gone silent and I'm wondering what caused this. I would assume lawyers? Or perhaps fear of lawyers? He seems to still have the demo on his site despite everything though so I'm unsure.

He has apparently deleted the forum on his own site and discussion of the issue is now a bannable offence on the Paradox forums so it's hard to keep up with all this.

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Chessylite posted:

Does anyone know what happened to Ubik and Magn-uh I mean World Stage in the end?

There was a constant stream of gibbering lunacy coming from the guy for months but, as of last month or so, he has gone silent and I'm wondering what caused this. I would assume lawyers? Or perhaps fear of lawyers? He seems to still have the demo on his site despite everything though so I'm unsure.

He has apparently deleted the forum on his own site and discussion of the issue is now a bannable offence on the Paradox forums so it's hard to keep up with all this.

The fact that the site and demo are still up at all strikes me as weird. I figured it'd have been lawyer crushed by now. :iiam:

Evil Agita
Feb 25, 2005

Lord Fool, give me another chance. I'll prove my strength to you!
International law can take a lot of time before angry lawyer smash.

quadrophrenic
Feb 4, 2011

WIN MARNIE WIN
Where should I be sticking my influence as USA? Pre ACW, I have Mexico and Hawaii, and I tried the Japanese states before I decided that war with Japan was more trouble than it's worth. I'm working on Columbia for the canal, but after that I have no idea. NNM as usual.

That's something that always confounds me about playing GP; unless it's central europe or I'm working on Yugoslavia or something, I never know who I should be sphering.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


If any of your factories are failing to get some inputs, you should sphere whoever produces these inputs you're running short of to secure their supply for your factories. Example: your Luxury Furniture factories require Tropical Wood as a resource, but are running short on it; they are failing to procure the supply needed to fulfill their demand (shown as a red background on the resource icon on the factory in the industrial view). Brazil is a major producer of tropical wood, so sphering them would secure the needed supply!

If your factories don't have any need, I dunno, you should follow your gut instinct I guess. Tropical Wood is always worth it though because in the endgame part of it (esp. in Africa) turns into rubber which is oh so precious in the last 30-40 years of the game.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

YF-23 posted:

If any of your factories are failing to get some inputs, you should sphere whoever produces these inputs you're running short of to secure their supply for your factories. Example: your Luxury Furniture factories require Tropical Wood as a resource, but are running short on it; they are failing to procure the supply needed to fulfill their demand (shown as a red background on the resource icon on the factory in the industrial view). Brazil is a major producer of tropical wood, so sphering them would secure the needed supply!

If your factories don't have any need, I dunno, you should follow your gut instinct I guess. Tropical Wood is always worth it though because in the endgame part of it (esp. in Africa) turns into rubber which is oh so precious in the last 30-40 years of the game.

If you've got good supplies of everything, I like to sphere high-pop countries, myself - more certain customers for your goods that way, or at least, so my reasoning goes.

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet
Well, I completed a Victoria 2 game as Brazil and just barely managed to break into the top 8 and become a great power near the very end of the game. I wasn't very active militarily, or really even diplomatically. I pretty much just fiddled with NFs, especially in provinces where factories were going up, and spent a bunch of time looking at the technologies and trying to reason out what I should take next. I'd like to try it again and do better, but I'm not sure what I should do differently. I'd love to hear any general tips, or Brazil-specific advice. I've got a few more questions in addition, though:

Are there generally accepted 'good' and 'bad' government forms? I didn't do much to influence my ruling party and sort of just drifted from a conservative to a liberal party as the game went on. What sort of good methods do I have to steer towards a better government, and to start doing more reforms at an earlier date? What should I do to manage the direction I want my government to go in? Whenever the elections would roll around and those debate events would pop up, I'd try picking the options that lead in directions I'd want to go, but I didn't really see a big effect from those choices.

I'm kind of unsure how to expand or otherwise go to war the correct way, other than taking my cores. It looked like I could justify wars to take provinces or to enforce other demands, but the potential infamy costs for doing so were sky-high and the infamy decay rate is extremely slow. Am I missing something, or is there just meant to be a long cooldown time between wars due to infamy costs?

My economy seemed pretty bad throughout the game. It would be especially bad whenever I got sphered by another power. It took an awfully long time to start getting factories up, and once I got switched to a free market system, my dumb capitalists kept opening factory types with a known history of instantly failing instead of upgrading or building more of the super profitable luxury furniture factories I had. They'd do stuff like open a glass factory and then shut it down because it's making no money, then open a winery and shut it down because glass is too expensive. I could definitely use any tips I could get when it comes to building up my industry. Oh, and what are the in-game effects of tariffs? Do I want to run them as high as I can, or keep them low?

What would be a smart percentage of soldier pops to shoot for in a state? I kept running into the problem of having regiments from undermanned pops by the end of a war, and sometimes losing regiments entirely. I had set NFs in my most populated provinces and worked them up to about 6-7% soldiers, which at the time sounded like a pretty healthy number to me, but in practice I guess it wasn't.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


The Paradox forums never fail to amuse me in the ways they break:



:shobon:

Necroneocon
May 12, 2009

by Shine

What does TFH add? I'm wondering how obsolete those video tutorials are.

Necroneocon fucked around with this message at 18:30 on May 21, 2013

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all
Yeah, same here, I picked up EU3 after the Hohenzollern LP and picked up CK2 after the Azerbaijan LP went into hiatus and people were talking about how it was so much better.


Honestly, these games are so hard to learn that I have no idea how people could get into them any other way.

Anyway, I was dropping by to say that March of The Eagles is -50% off on a flash steam sale for the next two hours.

grancheater
May 1, 2013

Wine'em, dine'em, 69'em

Kersch posted:

Vicky 2 stuff

Note: I'm still on AHD, and I'm not really good at Vicky so I could totes be wrong.

The infamy costs are pretty high, but they are per state, not per province. A good option might be expanding into Africa, as the infamy cost for taking states from uncivilized countries is much lower. That said, remember the infamy cost displayed while justifying a war is the maximum possible infamy cost, and the actual cost will generally be much lower.

Going full free market is a pretty bad idea if you don't already have a good industrial base set up, because capitalists are pretty dumb at building stuff. State Capitalism seems to be a favored economic policy among players, though I've had good results in non-democracies with elected Interventionism and switching to SC when I want to build factories.

Tariff basically increase/lower the price of foreign goods for your POPs and factories, with positive values netting you extra income and negative ones costing you money in exchange of your POPs and factories getting cheaper goods. Note that they can't be used to encourage POPs to buy from the local market instead of the global one, because that's the default behaviour for all POPs. I usually end up using them for extra income in the early game if my taxes aren't enough, never really ran them at negative but like to subsidize everything anyway (latest game I ended up with something like 40k in subsidies daily).

I've never had issues with low soldier POPs, Brazil has enough population to have an army large enough to dominate South America with high military funding.

Alikchi
Aug 18, 2010

Thumbs up I agree

Ghetto Prince posted:

Anyway, I was dropping by to say that March of The Eagles is -50% off on a flash steam sale for the next two hours.

Is it? I'm not seeing any deal.

e: 2 hours have passed durr

Alikchi fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 21, 2013

Kersch
Aug 22, 2004
I like this internet
Well, once my population started voting for that Liberal free market party, I tried getting out of it by setting my NFs to support Socialist party loyalty in all of my highest population provinces. It didn't really seem to have a great affect on my elections, though. Also, I can't really recall, but I'm not sure if I had a state capitalism party in my country until later in the game. Maybe I'm wrong. How should I better manage what party I get into control?

Also, why does my economy completely implode whenever I get sphered? It instantly makes my shoot into the red and I'm forced to drop several sliders way below max funding.

Beet
Aug 24, 2003

Kersch posted:

Well, once my population started voting for that Liberal free market party, I tried getting out of it by setting my NFs to support Socialist party loyalty in all of my highest population provinces. It didn't really seem to have a great affect on my elections, though. Also, I can't really recall, but I'm not sure if I had a state capitalism party in my country until later in the game. Maybe I'm wrong. How should I better manage what party I get into control?

Also, why does my economy completely implode whenever I get sphered? It instantly makes my shoot into the red and I'm forced to drop several sliders way below max funding.

Generally whoever is sphering you has a respectably sized population which is now preferentially buying all of its goods duty free from you. As a South American nation, getting sphered by the USA can definitely wreck your budget since you'll probably be relying on tariffs.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Kersch posted:

It didn't really seem to have a great affect on my elections, though. Also, I can't really recall, but I'm not sure if I had a state capitalism party in my country until later in the game. Maybe I'm wrong. How should I better manage what party I get into control?

The NF's take a few years to become really effective. You should start seeing good returns when party loyalty is above 2 or 3 for your desired ideology. It also depends on what voting system you have (first-past-the-post, proportional, etc) and your political party freedom (harassment, secret ballots, etc).

Compared to Ricky, V2's political changes are much more gradual, but generally during the election decisions that pop up asking you to support a position, choosing your desired party's positions will usually get you where you want to be within two or three elections, easily. Or you can just scum it if you're an HM's Government and just keep calling elections until you get the right party (this will make militancy skyrocket though).

Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee

Evil Agita posted:

International law can take a lot of time before angry lawyer smash.

I imagine Paradox doesn't want to spend the manpower, so they're just blockading Ubikistan to cripple his economic power.

Chessylite
Jan 21, 2009

Excretus ex fortuna

Kersch posted:

How should I better manage what party I get into control?

Well, each ideology requires different situations that will encourage those ideas among your population.

Socialists want welfare reforms, liberals want political reforms, and conservatism is popular when people are by and large happy with things as they are.

The more extremist ideologies are kind of different though. Communism arises in pretty much the same way as socialism, only it requires higher militancy. Fascism is kind of odd in that it just requires everyone to be angry and militant but not about any one thing in particular. Losing some land in a war is the only surefire way to put your people over the edge into fascism. In order to have both the upper and lower houses become communist or fascist, you'll need to let a revolution happen, but you can also, as the monarch, appoint them as your ruling party and keep the upper house filled with less extreme types.

If you want to assume more direct control over things, I would advise you to appoint the reactionaries as your ruling party and start scaling back either political or welfare reforms until you reach a tipping point where liberals or socialists respectively make up a majority of the population and then hold an election if you want them in power.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Just want to remind the thread: don't buy from GamersGate if you can help it! Also don't buy Supreme Ruler 2020. Both are quite bad.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Just want to remind the thread: don't buy from GamersGate if you can help it! Also don't buy Supreme Ruler 2020. Both are quite bad.

What are you talking about? GamersGate is amazing.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
Don't buy expansions from GamersGate if you have the Steam version, presumably. I agree that GG is amazing.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Don't mix distributors, I guess. I bought Revolutions and Darkest Hour on Steam since they were on sale (I think), but every other Paradox thing I got from Gamersgate.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Beamed posted:

What are you talking about? GamersGate is amazing.

Amazingly brazen about selling broken games, maybe. It seems I can get my money back for SR2020 if I get the publisher to tell me it's an unfinished title that shouldn't have gone to market.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


whyd you buy it then

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

SR2020 is known to be bad. It's a five year old game and you should have known exactly what you were getting into. It's unfortunate that you bought a bad game, but these things happen. The game does perform its basic functions, it's just really lovely, and you aren't entitled to a refund every time you buy a bad game.

Necroneocon
May 12, 2009

by Shine
Its better than SimCity5

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Thing is, if I bought an unfinished game on Steam, I would be entitled to a refund if I complained and demonstrated the problem. Of course, Steam mainly sells games where all the features work, so it's not something that comes up too often.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Thing is, if I bought an unfinished game on Steam, I would be entitled to a refund if I complained and demonstrated the problem. Of course, Steam mainly sells games where all the features work, so it's not something that comes up too often.

I agree that GG isn't great but steam isn't perfect either. I wouldn't expect to get my money back for a 5 year old game from any distributor, if you bought SR2020 on release day and were dissapointed maybe but 5 years on? You knew exactly what you were getting into.

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Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Thing is, if I bought an unfinished game on Steam, I would be entitled to a refund if I complained and demonstrated the problem. Of course, Steam mainly sells games where all the features work, so it's not something that comes up too often.

What are you talking about? Everything I've heard about Steam refunds is that it's like pulling teeth and that you only get one refund over the course of your life, after which you can forget about it.

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