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Well, they are supposedly around $2500 for a set but dealers are reportedly under embargo to not sell them aftermarket (or so I've heard... actually makes sense since you could in theory bypass much of the security of Kipass/Misty). I got mine for significantly less than that but I can't say how much for various reasons. However, used ones "typically" go for $500-$1000 depending what's included and if you can find one. Mine is brand new, just been sitting on a shelf (hence the dust on the case) but everything inside it is still packaged and unused.
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So in other words, you got it for two cases of beer?
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May 22, 2013 05:22
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I wish! No, certainly not that cheap but cheap enough to make me buy it to save me trouble and maybe help others in XX years of ownership. 
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Shiver update - they've localised the fault to one section of the loom and are testing it now to see if they can get away with just replacing a wire or if the whole lot will have to be replaced. In the process they've discovered the rear cylinder is weeping oil from the head - they're going to replace the gasket to be on the safe side. Also the replacement clutch slave cylinder seal they put in last year is falling apart so they're going to have to pull it apart and see what's killing the seals. Man, this is going to be expensive. They're only going to charge me 5 hours labour (£250) for the work so far, but a replacement loom will be about £150, and if they have to replace the whole clutch slave cylinder that'll go about the same, and it's probably at least another 3 hours labour (and probably nearer 5) to fit them. In the same month as I renewed my insurance, and will have to tax it too. Oh and the replacement loom and clutch will probably take a week or so, so that's bus fare when I go back to work as a final little shake of piss on my chips.
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May 22, 2013 15:41
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Heading down to the AMA Hall of Fame today. Anyone else ever been? Is it worth it?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Shiver update - they've localised the fault to one section of the loom and are testing it now to see if they can get away with just replacing a wire or if the whole lot will have to be replaced. "Sorry, after we finished all that work, it was exactly 0 degrees in the shop, so we cant test your bike"
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Shiver update - they've localised the fault to one section of the loom and are testing it now to see if they can get away with just replacing a wire or if the whole lot will have to be replaced. Is all of that work really worth it for a glorified italian SV? 
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May 22, 2013 18:05
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slidebite posted:I wish! No, certainly not that cheap but cheap enough to make me buy it to save me trouble and maybe help others in XX years of ownership. Three cases then?  As an aside, the Husaberg/KTM diagnostics tool is freely available to buy for anyone from any KTM/Husa dealer (in Sweden at least), if you give them 2500 USD eqv (and then another 2000 USD to get all the cables and adapters needed). I'll have to call a Kwak dealer and see if they sell them openly here as well. Jim Silly-Balls posted:"Sorry, after we finished all that work, it was exactly 0 degrees in the shop, so we cant test your bike" 
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May 22, 2013 18:10
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A local was hit by someone not looking the other day, got on local news and has a wee petition set up. Very pissed off at the response from the DSA - DSA posted:"We understand the importance of ensuring that drivers know how to drive safely. That is why drivers' awareness of motorcyclists and motorcycle safety is catered for in the syllabuses for both the driving theory and practical tests." Is it gently caress. I'm in the middle of my lessons right now and I'm lucky enough to have an advanced driving instructor who rages about that, all that's in the syllabus is "watch out for vulnerable road users". As for the theory test it's along the lines of "a cyclist is in the road. Do you a) Start masturbating to the spandex-clad arse, b) Get within 30cm of the rear wheel while screaming "HAIL SATAN, PRINCE OF LIES", or c) Make sure you give him extra room, where possible and safe". Motorcycle instruction, on the other hand, even for our day-long MSF that entitles you to ride a 125cc, is absolutely filled with "a driver might do this illegally, a driver might not be looking in this situation, drivers tend to shoot out of these types of junctions" and this wonderful road safety ad was produced - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQrHRN01hQY which includes gems like "if the roads are in poo poo conditions, drivers aren't indicating before yanking hard to the right, or an artic lorry is crossing the centreline, that's your lookout not ours." I certainly see why, but it annoys me that it wasn't hand-in-hand with an enforcement operation or another ad targeting drivers.
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Wootcannon posted:Is it gently caress. I'm in the middle of my lessons right now and I'm lucky enough to have an advanced driving instructor who rages about that, all that's in the syllabus is "watch out for vulnerable road users". As for the theory test it's along the lines of "a cyclist is in the road. Do you a) Start masturbating to the spandex-clad arse, b) Get within 30cm of the rear wheel while screaming "HAIL SATAN, PRINCE OF LIES", or c) Make sure you give him extra room, where possible and safe". I usually try to combine a and b.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Three cases then? Your model may vary but at least some KTMs / Husas work with TuneECU (free) and a maybe 30$ Ebay cable.
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TuneECUs homepage says it only works on "KTM models 990/1190/690 Duke (except Duke 4)/690 SMC & Enduro/690 Supermoto (up to model year 2012)", but I see people on forums all over saying they've used it on 2013s. My post was more a general comment on the what slidebite said earlier about Kawasaki policy. slidebite posted:dealers are reportedly under embargo to not sell them aftermarket
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Three cases then? EU competition rules specifically prevent such embargoes. So instead they just make them stupidly expensive for non-dealers to buy, and/or have a different connector for each model (each of which is again stupidly expensive for non-dealers to buy) Interestingly if the French decision that bars mobile phone manufacturers from preventing people unlocking/jailbreaking their phones is universal across all electronic devices, there's nothing (other than expense) preventing anyone from reverse-engineering these sort of diagnostic tools. That's certainly happened with Piaggio's Axone system (excluding reflashing of the ECU) and I guess might be behind stuff like TuneECU and other similar efforts.
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I wonder if that "up to 2012" involves KTM doing some security / warranty invalidation flag thing on their 2013s like Triumph is apparently doing. It seems out of character for bikes marketed as Ready To Race, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Snowdens Secret posted:I wonder if that "up to 2012" involves KTM doing some security / warranty invalidation flag thing on their 2013s like Triumph is apparently doing. It seems out of character for bikes marketed as Ready To Race, but it wouldn't surprise me. I'll have you know it's about so much more than Ready To Race (which, by the way, is Husabergs old slogan that KTM appropriated when they bought Husa).  Here's a picture of the carrying case for the manual and other papers that I got with the bike.  Welcome to the toughest guys. 
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Welcome to the toughest guys. Did you get the pen and beer opener? KTM briefcase crew
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KTM VS DUCATI, WHO CAN BE THE OFFICIAL EURO HARLEY??? FIGHT!!!!
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:KTM VS DUCATI, WHO CAN BE THE OFFICIAL EURO HARLEY??? In a fight to the death between KTM and Ducati, who wins? Answer: we all do.
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I can't think of a KTM I wouldn't want to own, or a Duc I wouldn't at least ride the poo poo out of, if I didn't have to worry about up-front and maintenance costs. Almost the exact opposite of how I feel about H-D.
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Snowdens Secret posted:I can't think of a KTM I wouldn't want to own, or a Duc I wouldn't at least ride the poo poo out of, if I didn't have to worry about up-front and maintenance costs. Almost the exact opposite of how I feel about H-D. Having now owned both and currently owning a Ducati, it's totally loving worth it. Sure, you gotta do belts on the Ducati every 12k and the valve adjustment is a bitch, and there's a dozen filters and you have to use unicorn blood oil on the KTM, but the experience of riding them makes it completely worth it, no question. The only caveat I'd have is they're both too easy to ride like total jackasses, and you always want to make the miles count on them so they lend themselves to constant hoonery. Which is why I have the 675 to commute on vs. using the 999. Well, that and MY WIFE claiming the 999 as hers.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:KTM VS DUCATI, WHO CAN BE THE OFFICIAL EURO HARLEY??? BMW If you're a lawyer/dentist/business exec who rides on the weekends, chances are your bike is one of those two brands.
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HotCanadianChick posted:BMW BMW marketing spiel for the middle-aged professional: "this bike does everything!" Harley marketing spiel for the middle-aged professional: "this bike does...???"
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Slavvy posted:BMW marketing spiel for the middle-aged professional: "this bike does everything!"
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I wonder how many MV Agustas are sold because prospective buyers didn't want to be associated with Ducati stereotypes. 
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HotCanadianChick posted:BMW Is that true in Europe? I thought it was more an American thing as in BMW is the Euro Harley for Americans.
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Thing is, nobody has ever bought a KTM or a BMW based on looks or style alone, whereas Ducati, definitely yes. That makes Ducati euro Harley! BMW is more like euro Honda, and KTM, I dunno, euro Suzuki?
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I disagree. While Harleys are still popular for the middle age dentist/accountant here, the "Long Way Down look" is also A Thing. Every summer we get a parade of BMW GSs with all the farkles, bash guards, polished aluminium panniers permanently mounted (permanently empty), Belstaff jackets, Arai Tour-X Charlie McEwan Edition lids. Occasionally you get to see them wobble around the coast road with the wife (or mistress) on the back in matching his and hers gear.
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Expensive, farkled out, bought by 50+ year olds, matching his & hers gear and hardly ridden? Gotta be a GS. Also has the "I'm 50+ and a You don't see as many of the mbecause there's more choice to go around, but they're definitely around.
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I ride an old (88 K Bike) BMW, I'm 24 with a beard, black metal shirt, long hair, and dont wear HI-VIZ poo poo. I pulled up to a bar that my old roommates girlfriend works at (free beer) and 3 guys on GS's pull up at the same time I do. All of them in HI-VIZ vests, 50+, ATTGATT, and they wouldn't even acknowledge me. gently caress them, I only have my bike and ride rain or shine, these chumps looked like weekend warriors. Anyone I've ever met riding a BMW was some old dude with an elitist attitude, and too much money, save one guy with a ratted out K, the exact same as mine that I met at a death metal show. I'm sure some of them are O.K., but most of them dismiss me from sight alone. Pokey Araya fucked around with this message at 10:10 on May 23, 2013 |
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We are one german bike short from forming an Axies motorcycle gang at work. I mean there is a (old) guy with (two) BMWs but we dont want that condescending dick riding with us. But its more about us hating the guy for being an incopetent dick than an exasperating BMW owner.
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Pokey Araya posted:I ride an old (88 K Bike) BMW, I'm 24 with a beard, black metal shirt, long hair, and dont wear HI-VIZ poo poo. I pulled up to a bar that my old roommates girlfriend works at (free beer) and 3 guys on GS's pull up at the same time I do. All of them in HI-VIZ vests, 50+, ATTGATT, and they wouldn't even acknowledge me. gently caress them, I only have my bike and ride rain or shine, these chumps looked like weekend warriors. Anyone I've ever met riding a BMW was some old dude with an elitist attitude, and too much money, save one guy with a ratted out K, the exact same as mine that I met at a death metal show. I think much of the time people are may just be nervous or intimidated or something. They may be aware of their weekend warriorhood and think the "real biker"(TM) is being a snob to THEM. Years ago, I started saying "hi" to people in a cheerful and polite way when I get the elitist jerk vibe from them just to see a response. So far, 9 out of 10 times they respond in kind so either my vibe is wrong or they're just disarmed by friendly banter. Only rarely have people truly revealed elistist shirtbird responses and then I just laugh at them. I think part of the reasons why old guys ride GS' is that they are loving comfortable. I mean really, really comfortable. A friend lent me one once and I gave it a good flogging and rode it for some time and despite lounger-like comfort it performed pretty well. vvv My buddy's GS was like an '08 or '09, something fairly new. Moral_Hazard fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 23, 2013 |
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I had a GS, it was a '97 and it was like riding a horse at 100 mph. But it had 50k on it and started falling apart, I got the bike cheap because it was old but new parts were stupid expensive. I wasn't snobbish about it, it was more annoying that people thought it was a really expensive bike because it just looked nice.
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Pope Mobile posted:Yamaha has the Bolt. Honda has the CTX700. Suzuki is going to announce a new cruiser. Japan seems to be rolling out new models. What's Kawasaki doing? Winning the dirtbike and supersport categories and furiously coming up with some bitchin Monster Energy versions of their bikes? 
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Linedance posted:Thing is, nobody has ever bought a KTM or a BMW based on looks or style alone, whereas Ducati, definitely yes. That makes Ducati euro Harley! BMW is more like euro Honda, and KTM, I dunno, euro Suzuki?  come to Florida. 90% of the S1000RRs I see are ridden by sub 21 trust fund kids, usually sporting a full compliment of gear that includes a hat, wifebeater, and shorts.
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I present for the Jury, exhibit A, taken just yesterday from reddit.
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Shinko rear tire, extended swingarm, dropped front end. It's probably actually used as a drag bike.
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You'd think that, but Florida is 106% flat, straight roads. It's the most boring place imaginable to ride.
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Pokey Araya posted:I ride an old (88 K Bike) BMW, I'm 24 with a beard, black metal shirt, long hair, and dont wear HI-VIZ poo poo. I pulled up to a bar that my old roommates girlfriend works at (free beer) and 3 guys on GS's pull up at the same time I do. All of them in HI-VIZ vests, 50+, ATTGATT, and they wouldn't even acknowledge me. gently caress them, I only have my bike and ride rain or shine, these chumps looked like weekend warriors. Anyone I've ever met riding a BMW was some old dude with an elitist attitude, and too much money, save one guy with a ratted out K, the exact same as mine that I met at a death metal show.
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