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Ola Ugh
May 19, 2005

Sjåre brymæ
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2013/may/28/jackin-dance-music-bassline-uk

Nice article about jackin.

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Azure_Horizon
Mar 27, 2010

by Reene
Just saw Disclosure while rolling. God drat that blew my loving mind away.

SUBFRIES
Apr 10, 2008


I thought Breach and that style was being called jackin'?

I have heard of Cause & Affect, they were on the last dirtybird compilation.

BTW DC area people, a lot going on here the next few days:
  • Tonight @ U Hall: Mala, Author (Live), Jack Sparrow b2b Ruckspin (DJ set), Deep Sessions Crew
  • Thursday @ U Hall: Destructo (HARD, LA) & Tittsworth
  • Friday: Forecast @ Backbar w/ locals who play bass music
  • Saturday #1: Eats Everything, me & Ken Lazee @ U Hall
  • Saturday #2: Mount Kimbie @ Black Cat
  • Saturday #3: Moombahton Massive Day @ Velvet Lounge & 930 Club w/ every major name, playing from 2PM to 2AM

I'm honestly probably just going to my gig, have a lot of other stuff going on.

b0red
Apr 3, 2013

Azure_Horizon posted:

Just saw Disclosure while rolling. God drat that blew my loving mind away.

How are they live? Do they do any mixing? How are their sets?

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

SUBFRIES posted:

Tonight @ U Hall: Mala, Author (Live), Jack Sparrow b2b Ruckspin (DJ set), Deep Sessions Crew

I hit the Outlook afterparty at DEMF and apparently Hatcha ended up closing at 6 am, but I was already pretty happy with Author, Sparrow, Truth, and Seven.

And of course Mala was nothing short of spectacular. Dubspot posted a photo where you can clearly see me in the front row, mad cheesin' and having a blast. Really wish I could see him in a smaller, intimate space like U Hall.

Me and a buddy (and well, a whole other mob of people) got pretty pissed at some dudebro for yelling "you suck" at Mala when he played Alicia :yayclod:

Azure_Horizon
Mar 27, 2010

by Reene

deadbian posted:

How are they live? Do they do any mixing? How are their sets?

They're fantastic live. They didn't front-end all of their singles and did some DnB in between the breaks. They also busted out their drums and bass guitar for some of the bangers. They did change up a few of their singles, but blended them pretty drat well.

The older brother kept thanking us, but all I could hear towards the back was "gently caress YOU" instead of "Thank you!" and I really wish he'd said the former before dropping the beat.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
Haha, I guess Skream is apparently "quitting" dubstep?

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Yeah I was reading this last night. I do like Jackin', but then again I liked Bassline so it makes sense. I think what I really like - and it's something the article points out - is it's just such a confident/oblivious kinda scene I guess you can say, if that makes sense. It doesn't take itself too seriously all the time, and sure it's cheesy sometimes but it knows it. All love. The article makes it a bit more weirdo American PLUR thing which isn't really the case.

I still wish they actually put out real drat records though, and actually made it a thing other than some snuck out Juno release. Otherwise I think it'll end up just puttering alone without making a bigger impact like what happened to Bassline/Funky.

Mike_V posted:

Haha, I guess Skream is apparently "quitting" dubstep?

He's been saying this for ages though. That all he was playing was House and Disco or whatever.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
That jackin' stuff is weird because I always thought it was just a straight up revival of 80s house but it isn't?

EDIT: As in, I thought of it as like Breach or that Gremino "Let's Jack" release.

Mike_V fucked around with this message at 18:45 on May 29, 2013

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Mike_V posted:

That jackin' stuff is weird because I always thought it was just a straight up revival of 80s house but it isn't?

EDIT: As in, I thought of it as like Breach or that Gremino "Let's Jack" release.

See I always thought stuff was Jacking with the -g, whereas the post-Bassline vaguely UKG-esque revivalism is with the -', and if you're like me pronounced in a heavy Yorkshire accent. Going down t'pit.

Jackin'/Jacking, the 21st century version of Garridge/Garadge. Actually I got a laugh with that recent Todd Edwards RBMA video where he swapped between the two depending on if he was talking about the UK or the US stuff.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

Mike_V posted:

That jackin' stuff is weird because I always thought it was just a straight up revival of 80s house but it isn't?

EDIT: As in, I thought of it as like Breach or that Gremino "Let's Jack" release.

Me too, though I realized I've been hearing it a lot here and there on Rinse recently. I hope it makes its way over to the states. I like it a lot better than the housey tech/techy house that's big here- it's a lot more fun.

Apolis
Mar 4, 2004

Mike_V posted:

Haha, I guess Skream is apparently "quitting" dubstep?

Looks that way, but he's still doing Magnetic Man.
http://www.inthemix.com.au/news/55387/Skream_hits_back_I_never_said_dubstep_is_dead

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
Kode9's Rinse mix was enjoyable for the first half, but I'm sort of over juke (at least as it's been incorporated into the UK scene) so the 2nd half was a snoozer for me.

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Mike_V posted:

Kode9's Rinse mix was enjoyable for the first half, but I'm sort of over juke (at least as it's been incorporated into the UK scene) so the 2nd half was a snoozer for me.

Pretty much this. Tell you what though, I'm glad Rinse put out that 12" single along with it. I'm really digging Uh's kinda bizarro broken down Garage. It would've been a shame if it was only ever stuck on the mix.

The mix also reminds me that Funkystepz still don't get anywhere near the love they should.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

28 Gun Bad Boy posted:

The mix also reminds me that Funkystepz still don't get anywhere near the love they should.

I was thinking this listening to Kode9's essential mix the other day. What happened!

Also this is the cheesiest thing to say but I've been checking out the 2:31 podcasts after reading that guardian article and they're pretty rad. It's great summer music and I love hearing old hardcore/jungle samples popping out of a tune.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
The 2:31 guys are really funny on air, too.

knox
Oct 28, 2004

Get to see Cyrus tonight for the first time, got a good feeling about how his set is gonna play out.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
The Eglo Records Vol. 1 release is really boring for the most part. Disappointing.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
Because I don't think he gets enough listens around here, felt like reminding everyone that Wookie is brilliant.

UKF Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcCuor_ufXc

UKG Don: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TjBjUOmMo

Stuntastic
Jul 11, 2009

weed cave weed saves

Mike_V posted:

Because I don't think he gets enough listens around here, felt like reminding everyone that Wookie is brilliant.

UKF Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcCuor_ufXc

UKG Don: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TjBjUOmMo

that battle tune is baaaaaaaaaaaad, dj ez played it in a wonderful boiler room set https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQaEWVYuyXU

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Mike_V posted:

Because I don't think he gets enough listens around here, felt like reminding everyone that Wookie is brilliant.

UKF Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcCuor_ufXc

UKG Don: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TjBjUOmMo

I got to admit one of the the biggest laughs I got about that Blackdown article was when someone mentioned you probably hear Wookie/Battle getting played more now than you ever did 10+ years ago, and that's saying something!

Wookie's actually been popping up more recently, after he seemed to disappear again once the UKF thing kinda faded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMJmO9choFk

Not to mentioned he's been doing a lot of remixes again for the likes of the majors too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIQYuZ7uybc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu7IcjJDRQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y160xuQ49do

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

28 Gun Bad Boy posted:

I got to admit one of the the biggest laughs I got about that Blackdown article was when someone mentioned you probably hear Wookie/Battle getting played more now than you ever did 10+ years ago, and that's saying something!

Wasn't it the Exemen remix of Little Man? Jumped out at me cause I really do hear that one a lot. You could make the case for either one though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnmHAo-Jetk
Recent favorite from the 2:31 show, I like how you can hear the old skool influences without it taking over the track and making it sound dated.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

I don't even know where to begin on this:

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

JamesKPolk posted:

Wasn't it the Exemen remix of Little Man? Jumped out at me cause I really do hear that one a lot. You could make the case for either one though.

Ah poo poo so it was! It was too early to think clearly man! Anyway I don't even know why that's become a favourite recently. Well I mean I get why - it's a classic and it's great! - but I don't get why, if that makes any sense? I don't know if it's just folk picking up an old Pure Garage comp and going that'll do, or if it's because of Sia's popularity has skyrocketed over the past couple of years compared to a decade ago (not gonna lie loved that Flo Rida tune). Oh and speaking of Sia have a Groove Chronicles remix of Taken For Granted I uploaded ages ago.

Now personally I'm waiting for people to pick up on his best Exemen tune, Far East.

air- posted:

I don't even know where to begin on this:

See you say that, but I don't even find it half as ridiculous as the front cover for Benga's new album.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

28 Gun Bad Boy posted:

Ah poo poo so it was! It was too early to think clearly man! Anyway I don't even know why that's become a favourite recently. Well I mean I get why - it's a classic and it's great! - but I don't get why, if that makes any sense? I don't know if it's just folk picking up an old Pure Garage comp and going that'll do, or if it's because of Sia's popularity has skyrocketed over the past couple of years compared to a decade ago (not gonna lie loved that Flo Rida tune). Oh and speaking of Sia have a Groove Chronicles remix of Taken For Granted I uploaded ages ago.

I've wondered that myself- I think it's part momentum and part that it sounds fresher than most of the stuff from that era. Not a diss on 2-step- it's just still very new sounding- like compare to that Jamie XX Far Nearer tune which is around when I first started hearing Little Man more.

28 Gun Bad Boy posted:

Now personally I'm waiting for people to pick up on his best Exemen tune, Far East.

Oh jeez, this is awesome!

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
Been revisiting some stuff from the past coupla years and I think JME's Tropical 2 mix/album was completely slept on. Every track does what it needs. The only thing I want to know is why both Tropical releases are mastered at really low volumes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcfPQqDTDF8

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Mike_V posted:

Been revisiting some stuff from the past coupla years and I think JME's Tropical 2 mix/album was completely slept on. Every track does what it needs. The only thing I want to know is why both Tropical releases are mastered at really low volumes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcfPQqDTDF8

Tropical 2 was good, not quite as amazing as the first which was one of my favs of 2006 (it was '06 wasn't it?), but still good. Honestly I don't know if I'd say slept on, I mean I don't remember the original Tropical didn't make it out much past the Grime/Dubstep scene at the time. Though I remember the beats on Tropical being used by MCs a lot more compared to the stuff off T2, but that might just be me not paying enough attention nowadays or just a general sign of the times.

And for those of you who haven't heard the first Tropical mixtape, thanks to the wonders of Youtube someone's uploaded it all.

Caped Cruiser
Sep 25, 2006
man, meet monkey
This Amit Rinse.FM set today (6/10) is loving insane. Definitely check the archives for it. Icicle started things off awesome too. Amazing little reconstrvct preview.

Dramatika
Aug 1, 2002

THE BANK IS OPEN
I had never heard of jackin' house until I randomly clicked the last page of this thread, but this stuff is awesome, and I've just been youtube link surfing. What tracks do I really need to hear, or better yet if anyone knows any good mixes I'd love to hear about them.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

Sort of the blind leading the blind here but I've been rocking the 2:31 shows on Rinse and I just got a bunch of mixes from Tom Shorterz's soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/tom-shorterz

If you find anything cool, post it!

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Dramatika posted:

I had never heard of jackin' house until I randomly clicked the last page of this thread, but this stuff is awesome, and I've just been youtube link surfing. What tracks do I really need to hear, or better yet if anyone knows any good mixes I'd love to hear about them.

Like above 2:31 and Shorterz shows have creeped onto Rinse over the past couple of months, and Marcus Nasty has been including Jackin' into his sets for a good while now. The 2:31 set from last week was fantastic actually, so grab that. The 5th I think it was. Kode9 even stuck Jackin' in his latest Rinse mix, though +8'd to gently caress which made it sound even more amazing.

Actually this Guardian article that was posted a few pages ago gives a good run down (surprising for a Guardian article!). While it's been about for a couple of years now at least - I remember name dropping it a good while ago now - but over the past 6 months or so it's definitely mutated a lot, bringing in a bit more of the contemporary Bass/House scene (for better or worse at times). It's still a small scene though, like really small, despite what fuss people have been chucking over it recently.

So half the stuff has ended up like it was with Funky and the later Bassline thing, with poo poo ending up on Youtube and Soundcloud with the odd bit for sale. Personally I say it needs vinyl dammit! But I say that all the time. The Certified Jackin yt page always has a bunch of new stuff going up all the time. Lots of Chris Lorenzo/Cause & Affect stuff, Ill Phil stuff (check his mixes on Certified), Hannah Wants stuff (sometimes a bit too Dirtybird polite but her new tings with Lorenzo are total bangers), Pete Graham and whoever else.

One thing I think is cool right now is it's more than willing to stick a bit more darker, or harder stuff into the mix too which is something you wouldn't have got say 2 years ago. Like Pete Graham's Dorothy's Forest was just wow, a loving amazing roller which was like if you fed a typical Jackin' tune some heavy duty tranqs. But it's still got that wee bit of cheek in it, it doesn't take it all super seriously gonna go listen to The Cure like y'know? Reminds me of some of those early darker Hardcore numbers actually.

Birmingham/Yorkshire folk should be at these dances and reporting back to us how groovy it is!

The Fuck Juicer
Oct 16, 2012

Can people point me in the direction of old UKG tracks or the newer UKG sounding stuff that I'll be able to buy as 320 mp3's or wav's? I'm looking alone the lines of:

Mosca - Bax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1jp94Psx18
Drumsound & Bassline Smith feat. Fleur - One In A Million (Reset Safari's 'Lost In '97 Remix') https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w8Ek7c4qgo
Victor Romeo - Love Will Find A Way [Ray Hurley & Mark Yardley Dub Mix] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH7GaBWrNZ8

a good mix of happy and dark tracks (with links to Beatport or Juno) would be really appreciated. My vinyl rips aren't good enough to play out anywhere.

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Hatem Ben Arfa posted:

Can people point me in the direction of old UKG tracks or the newer UKG sounding stuff that I'll be able to buy as 320 mp3's or wav's? I'm looking alone the lines of:

Mosca - Bax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1jp94Psx18
Drumsound & Bassline Smith feat. Fleur - One In A Million (Reset Safari's 'Lost In '97 Remix') https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w8Ek7c4qgo
Victor Romeo - Love Will Find A Way [Ray Hurley & Mark Yardley Dub Mix] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH7GaBWrNZ8

a good mix of happy and dark tracks (with links to Beatport or Juno) would be really appreciated. My vinyl rips aren't good enough to play out anywhere.

A lot of the old stuff you'll never get on digital, or at least official digital anyway. You'll just need to cart around the vinyl for that, but hey there's worse things in life.

On saying that though - and I don't know if any of the following will be any good for you - but Ice Cream Records was reincarnated last year or so and put a lot of their old stuff out digitally (mostly the RIP stuff), as well as some new.
http://www.junodownload.com/labels/Ice+Cream/releases/

A lot of the Nice n Ripe stuff and many of it's various sub-labels (Zest 4 Life, City Dubbs, In The Air) are also up digitally, though depending on what you want you're best going through Discogs and finding out what year a single was actually released. The early stuff is more 4/4 I guess you could say proto-UK stuff. Still excellent but maybe not what you want.
http://www.junodownload.com/labels/Nice+N+Ripe/releases/

The stuff available on MJ Cole's Prolific Records from the mid-00s is also there if you don't have it on 12" already (which you probably won't unless you're like me and the 7 others who actually still bought Garage in the mid-00s). What I loved about the Garage stuff released in that time - and on Prolific in particular - is you always got a ton of mixes on the single, ranging from 2-Step to 4/4 to Bassline. Light to dark, all very groovy. This also reminded me what a tune Watertight was.
http://www.junodownload.com/labels/Prolific/releases/

I also see Juno have some Locked On releases. Dem 2 and Zed Bias are two I can see. But they're listed under the XL label - who supported Locked On - so you're on your own if you want to trawl through that no doubt massive list to see if they've got the whole back catalogue or not, sorry man.

The Fuck Juicer
Oct 16, 2012

Thanks for the suggestions man, I'm definitely going to do some digging round those links and see what I can find. I actually saw that Ice Cream got resurrected and immediately went to buy Double 99 - Ripgroove, only to find it's an EP exclusive!

Unfortunately I can't cart around my vinyl either, I play off CDJs and Traktor. I'm one of those weirdos that bought a single audiophile grade turntable just for garage, grime and techno records.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
Surely a lot of the tracks have been put onto some sort of compilation or ripped at a satisfactory bitrate and put up somewhere online, right?

EDIT: I don't know if he was intending to make tracks with this aesthetic, but Jason Burns' latest release Psalms has some really quality modern UK Funky tracks.

http://www.beatport.com/release/psalms/1096666

Just For Me and Look At You scratch that itch.

Mike_V fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jun 12, 2013

28 Gun Bad Boy
Nov 5, 2009

Never been to Belgium

Hatem Ben Arfa posted:

Thanks for the suggestions man, I'm definitely going to do some digging round those links and see what I can find. I actually saw that Ice Cream got resurrected and immediately went to buy Double 99 - Ripgroove, only to find it's an EP exclusive!

It's well worth buying what was that Double 99 Doublepack anyway, the whole release is full of goodness. Though the RIP track you really want to get your hands on is Obsessed. That's a proper heads tune, someone puts on that and I know they know what the script is.

Mike_V posted:

Surely a lot of the tracks have been put onto some sort of compilation or ripped at a satisfactory bitrate and put up somewhere online, right?

Compilation wise a lot less than you'd think. Sure you'll probably find the bigger tracks but probably the majority of comps released during the Garage days were mix CDs rather than single tracks. Possibly usable I guess nowadays with all the fancy tricks all the techs got nowadays.

P0PCULTUREREFERENCE
Apr 10, 2009

Your weapons are useless against me!
Fun Shoe

Hatem Ben Arfa posted:

Unfortunately I can't cart around my vinyl either, I play off CDJs and Traktor. I'm one of those weirdos that bought a single audiophile grade turntable just for garage, grime and techno records.

What's wrong with your rips then?

This might be kind of a weird offer, but I'd be happy to record, mix/master a bit, and return if you wanted to send records to me. I never got big into that scene, and having an excuse to hear some records that someone was dedicated enough to go through all this trouble for might be a fun way to introduce myself to the sound.

I'd also be happy to give a listen to some of your rips and let you know if I have any big suggestions to get better sound.

The Fuck Juicer
Oct 16, 2012

Mike_V posted:

Surely a lot of the tracks have been put onto some sort of compilation or ripped at a satisfactory bitrate and put up somewhere online, right?

Like 28 Gun Bad Boy said, way less than there should be. Although it's Grime, if you look at the Wiley compilation on Avalanche a lot of those are vinyl rips (to the point where you can hear the surface noise). A lot of UKG and Grime artists haven't got their original project files, or they can't open them anymore because they were made on outdated software.

Downloading other people's rips of tunes that will never see the light of day otherwise is a grey area and the quality is likely to vary so much. That's why I'd rather go down this route, difficult though it is.

P0PCULTUREREFERENCE posted:

What's wrong with your rips then?

This might be kind of a weird offer, but I'd be happy to record, mix/master a bit, and return if you wanted to send records to me. I never got big into that scene, and having an excuse to hear some records that someone was dedicated enough to go through all this trouble for might be a fun way to introduce myself to the sound.

I'd also be happy to give a listen to some of your rips and let you know if I have any big suggestions to get better sound.

I appreciate the offer, but to be honest my garage collection isn't huge and it's mainly a handful of anthems that people will (hopefully) recognise. This booking is likely to be a one-off anyway.

P0PCULTUREREFERENCE
Apr 10, 2009

Your weapons are useless against me!
Fun Shoe
That's cool, I hope it goes well! Feel free to shoot me a message any time if you want advice on (re-)recording. I spent most of the last year digitizing my vinyl for my new serato setup, so my head's still in that zone.

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Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
Slimzee, Mak Ten, and Spyro all in on the same set right now on Rinse. Madddddddd.

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