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Petey posted:I mean, why not get a JD/PhD? Be that guy that uses both honorifics, Dr. Wankenstein, Esq.
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Apologies if this is a stupid question, but what's the benefit of doing a JD over a Bach. Laws? Well-written and informative (if scary as gently caress) OP, by the way.
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Hollandia posted:Apologies if this is a stupid question, but what's the benefit of doing a JD over a Bach. Laws? In the US, the LLB doesn't qualify you to sit for the bar, except in New York (w some extra stuff needed).
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A friend of a friend just started bragging on facebook about quitting her DOJ job to work for an immigration law nonprofit. Sounded panda-riffic, but I guess if you're top of the heap you can do that. Sucks for all the 0Ls who think it will be them, though. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 29, 2013 |
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CaptainScraps posted:Lost my first jury trial today. I know I had bad facts and the case wasn't worth poo poo but still, gently caress. Well you had a good run. Time to pack it up and hop on the state employment bandwagon.
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yronic heroism posted:A friend of a friend just started bragging on facebook about quitting her DOJ job to work for an immigration law nonprofit. Sounded panda-riffic, but I guess if you're top of the heap you can do that. I walked away from one after a year for a few reasons. A few of my clients weren't the kind that should genuinely have won their cases, while a few others should have but were never going to because the then-INS would appeal *everything* and count on the correct appellate judges to get assigned to the case (in fairness we did this too because there were individual judges who ranged from approving 3% of petitions to 95%, but there were more 3%'s). It also managed to cost me money and ruin my sleep schedule every time I'd get an immig court appointment for 9 AM, because I'd have to be up at 5 to get there even though any appointment past 7:30 AM would get heard at 3 PM on the dot. It was very panda-riffic, but after having been a panda, the pandas who enjoy it are less of the cuddly mascot types and more of the RL sedentary lumps of fat who have to be prodded to look at the opposite gender types.
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Anyone know anything about Bristow Fellowships? What information I've gathered is that they're basically SCOUTS clerkship-lite in terms of difficulty to get. Looking back to recent Fellows as far as possible from my internet sleuthing, I've noticed a distinctly strong T15 trend, but that is not a mandatory requirement. So my (lack of) school pedigree doesn't appear to be a nonstarter, which means my interest isn't a complete fantasy. Any insight anyone might have on hand (e.g., what I can do to help bolster my application) would be appreciated.
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burf posted:As a follow up to this What city? My Hamilton articling interviews are going very well. I had a second interview today where the interviewers kept talking about how much I impressed the first set of interviewers and ended with telling me how much I impressed them as well and how few people got second interviews to begin with. They also mentioned that if there was a tough choice for the last spot, they'd open another articling position and hire both people. Course selection opens June 5th, and I hope to load up on "Pandas and the Law" type courses. e: Fixed quote. NewtGoongrich fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 29, 2013 |
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Defleshed posted:Talking about how much child porn we have had to look at and how many years we sent the sons of bitches away for is like a badge of honor among military prosecutors.
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TenementFunster posted:Wow that certainty bucks every pre-conceived motion I've ever held regarding prosecutors AND members of the military! Tell us more about your preconceived motions.
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TenementFunster posted:Wow that certainty bucks every pre-conceived motion I've ever held regarding prosecutors AND members of the military! File it away in your pre-conceived motion bank, if you like.
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NewtGoongrich posted:What city? Saskatoon. Feeling a bit lucky to have a job now after hearing about how many of my ridiculously smart classmates didn't get offers this week, but I guess that's kind of expected since it's only the "big" provincial firms involved in the mass hire week and they all seemed to be pretty picky in terms of interviews, let alone offers. On the other hand, 99% of my classmates will get jobs by the time 3L is done, but that'll just involve cold calling places that didn't participate in the mass hire process and/or moving to Alberta since firms there absorb half of the U of S grads every year anyway. It's just kind of jarring to see a number of people in the top 10-20% of the class without offers while a bunch of folks with good-but-not-great grades got jobs. bub spank fucked around with this message at 01:04 on May 30, 2013 |
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Soylent Pudding posted:I took the Oath of Attorney this morning. I did our version last week, with the formal thing on coming up Friday. 
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Defleshed posted:Talking about how much child porn we have had to look at and how many years we sent the sons of bitches away for is like a badge of honor among military prosecutors. Is being a TC really that bad? (Yes it is)
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Green Crayons posted:Anyone know anything about Bristow Fellowships? That's like asking this thread what you could do to help bolster your SCOTUS application. You should ask professors you have a good relationship with and/or the resident con law dude at your school. You're clerking right? Has your judge or any judge in your district sent anyone to a Bristow? I've heard they're not as professor-driven as SCOTUS hires.
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joat mon posted:Is being a TC really that bad? I love this job. The work is very satisfying. Not looking forward to doing time in Administrative law.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Tell us more about your preconceived motions.
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If anybody in here studied for the bar while holding down a full time job and has some advice/strategies to share with me, I'd be really interested in hearing about it (PMs welcome). I just graduated with a joint degree and have a job that primarily uses the non-law degree. They are supportive of me passing the bar, but it's not like a firm job where my start date is in October after I study my rear end off, take the test, and then bum around SE Asia. Instead it's 40 hours a week of work before I even get to crack a book or open a video. I'm really happy with my job and how it uses both my legal and non-legal training, but I'm really worried I may flame out before the bar exam even gets here.  Thanks y'all. Sorry if anyone else has already asked the same thing; haven't really followed this thread in a couple years. FAKE EDIT: In before "get off SA". Probably won't do anything on here but check this thread and any PMs for responses to this post for the next two months.
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Green Crayons posted:Anyone know anything about Bristow Fellowships?
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Omerta posted:That's like asking this thread what you could do to help bolster your SCOTUS application. You should ask professors you have a good relationship with and/or the resident con law dude at your school. You're clerking right? Has your judge or any judge in your district sent anyone to a Bristow? I've heard they're not as professor-driven as SCOTUS hires. I agree that Bristow Fellowships do appear to be less professor driven. And because none of my professors were Bristow fellows as far as a quick search revealed, I didn't think asking professors would be exceptionally beneficial. And, no, nobody has sent a clerk to Bristow at least as far back as Above The Law lists recent Bristows. So I thought I would mine the almighty knowledge of the internet. 10-8 posted:There's a former Bristow Fellow who sometimes reads this thread, but I'm not going to out him except to say that he had a circuit court clerkship on his resume before he got the Bristow Fellowship, so, ya know, maybe go for that first. Well, then, here's a related question for folks who work at firms, which I'll probably edit out in a bit because nobody wants their personal details on internet file: <bleep bloop> Green Crayons fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Defleshed posted:I love this job. The work is very satisfying. Not looking forward to doing time in Administrative law. The leadership of the SNCO wives club will be a much more formidable opponent than a sad sack with some CP. (On-base organization bylaws need an SJA chop)
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Green Crayons posted:I mean, SCOTUS clerkship applicants require very distinct (and readily findable) qualifications: T14; feeder COA clerkship; recommendations from professors who were themselves SCOTUS clerks; a not insubstantial degree of luck. But the qualifications to be competitive aren't anywhere to be found for Bristow Fellowships. If the answer is "be competitive for SCOTUS clerkships" -- which undoubtedly helps but does not appear to be an exclusive requirement -- then that's that. Do you already have an offer from a firm to go to after you finish your two year clerkship? Also, do you often worry about the gender of the chicken you will wind up with before the egg has been laid? (Also, you won't make partner. Not being mean to you - just, most people don't make partner.)
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Kalman posted:Do you already have an offer from a firm to go to after you finish your two year clerkship? I don't follow your weird, folksy bit of wisdom-as-a-question. (And I'm not insulted by the fact that I have a slim chance at being partner. I don't even know if that's what I truly want for myself in 7-9 years!)
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I just sat through a 2h30m articling interview. I didn't realize quite how long I had been there until I got out and checked my phone. Hamilton articling interviews have been much longer than anything I've experienced before. The shortest lasted 45 minutes, but that was the only one that did a second interview and they also have a cocktail party tonight for the students given a second interview. I have a pretty good feeling about call day. e: I should preface this with "dear livejournal". Also, are there any Hamilton law goons here? NewtGoongrich fucked around with this message at 17:20 on May 30, 2013 |
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10-8 posted:There's a former Bristow Fellow who sometimes reads this thread, but I'm not going to out him except to say that he had a circuit court clerkship on his resume before he got the Bristow Fellowship, so, ya know, maybe go for that first. Wow that's pretty cool. Good thing I hate conlaw with a burning passion so I don't even daydream about stuff like Bristow/SCOTUS, cause I'm not even close to having the credentials for either. NewtGoongrich posted:I just sat through a 2h30m articling interview. I didn't realize quite how long I had been there until I got out and checked my phone. Hamilton articling interviews have been much longer than anything I've experienced before. The shortest lasted 45 minutes, but that was the only one that did a second interview and they also have a cocktail party tonight for the students given a second interview. That's nothing. I had a callback with a firm that was around 12 hours long. 8:30 - orientation/meeting 9-11:30 - 30 min interviews 11:30-12 coffee/socializing break 12-3 more interviews break to go back and change to more casual clothing 5-7:30 cocktails at partner's house 7:30-10 dinner I couldn't speak a complete sentence by the end of it. Maybe that's why I didn't get the offer though! Omerta fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 30, 2013 |
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Omerta posted:That's nothing. I had a callback with a firm that was around 12 hours long. That's insane. What city was this in? Were you aware that you were going to be interacting with the firm for 12 hours that day?
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Omerta posted:That's nothing. I had a callback with a firm that was around 12 hours long. That is a pretty intense callback, that firm must be really focused on finding people that fit the culture. The worst I had was the standard four 30 minute interviews followed by lunch with a couple of associates. Though after you get an offer it turned into a bunch of dinners similar to that.
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DarkHelmutt posted:my law school jaunt
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NewtGoongrich posted:That's insane. What city was this in? Were you aware that you were going to be interacting with the firm for 12 hours that day? Orlando, FL (Lowndes Drosdick, for those familiar with Central FL). They sent out a gift basket that included the schedule and I couldn't believe it. I know Cravath and Williams & Connolly have a similarly intense callback, but this firm isn't in their zip code work/prestige wise. Don't get me wrong, it's a great firm that pays market for the city, but they don't do national/international level work like CSM or W&C. They're very into "cultural fit" but I wouldn't say that they had a really distinct feel to them besides kinda fratty, which many law firms in the South could be described as. Law firms are kinda like those fat pride messages you see on tumbler; they're generally fond of trumpeting how their UNIQUE INTANGIBLES make it a better firm. I can proudly say that I never applied to a NY firm, which was probably stupid of me considering how bad the market in the Southeast is/was. And speaking of Cravath, I have no idea why anyone would want to work there over the zillion other comparable NY firms considering that you'll probably put in 400 fewer billables and make the same at a peer firm. Omerta fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 30, 2013 |
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Omerta posted:Orlando, FL (Lowndes Drosdick, for those familiar with Central FL). They sent out a gift basket that included the schedule and I couldn't believe it. I know Cravath and Williams & Connolly have a similarly intense callback, but this firm isn't in their zip code work/prestige wise. Don't get me wrong, it's a great firm that pays market for the city, but they don't do national/international level work like CSM or W&C. Anticipated exit opportunities, presumably. (I didn't apply to Cravath.) EDIT: I don't think it's delusional, naive, or obsessive to suggest that perhaps there are not a "zillion" firms comparable to Cravath, but maybe that's exactly what a delusional/naive/obsessive person would say.
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Sulecrist posted:Anticipated exit opportunities, presumably. I don't want to bring TLS bullshit into this thread, but exit options seem like a totally imaginary thing made up by law students talking out of their asses. Is Simpson Thatcher really going to get you in the door if Weil or Bois Schiller wouldn't? Sure, you could say that exit options exist at certain firms based on their clientele (ie, go to Sullivan & Cromwell because you want to do finance stuff at goldman sachs), but lots of people seem to imply that a vault 25 firm is objectively better than a vault 50 firm because, duh, rankings. Idk, maybe I'm being picky, but the whole "exit options" discussion gets me peevish. Sulecrist posted:EDIT: I don't think it's delusional, naive, or obsessive to suggest that perhaps there are not a "zillion" firms comparable to Cravath, but maybe that's exactly what a delusional/naive/obsessive person would say. Nah that was hyperbole on my end. I had a number here but removed it because who cares what I think. Omerta fucked around with this message at 22:38 on May 30, 2013 |
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Is the southeast legal market really notably worse than, say, NY? I was under the impression NY and DC were the toughest markets to break into because they have the highest glut of law schools around, that more than account for being a bigger city. They're also the primary locations for vault firms, which would be more competitive and harder to get hired by in general. Basically, I was under the impression non-t14 grads who want to work in NY would have a harder time doing so, than someone who goes to South Carolina, or Georgia school of law and wants to practice in those states. I don't proclaim a good understanding of the current regional legal job market though.
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Today I overheard a conversation between a gentleman and the gym janitor who is apparently a wildly ambitious anthropology graduate student. He doesn't worry about loans so long as he can do what he loves, and was detailing his intention to live three years in India, 5 years off the coast of Africa, and 5 years somewhere in South Africa, then continued to go on about the rest of the globetrotting he'd do once he found his dream job. So I immediately thought of this thread.
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