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TheBestDeception
Nov 28, 2007

Dogen posted:

I laid in bed this morning fantasizing about becoming a cab driver. Don't go to law school. Also don't move to a town where everyone wants to live but has a small legal market.

I know you've said you tried applying for various state positions, but did you ever look into volunteering, for instance, with the OAG? They have a pretty open volunteer policy, and being a solid volunteer is a great way to jump to the front of the application line.

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Green Crayons
Apr 2, 2009

Solid Lizzie posted:

They remind me of CALI but kiiiiind of a time suck.
By "best part" I meant that they don't make me want to stab my eyes out with a pen.

There is a real variance in terms of how long it takes to actually get through a lesson. When I first started, it was over an hour for ~18 questions. Now, I can go through a 18-question set in about 20-40 minutes. I don't know if that's just because I've moved away from the initial AMP subject matter (Real Property down here in VA), or if I'm just getting used to the "look at the 'get more info' outline ASAP and easily memorize from there" format, or both.

What I'm saying is, is that it gets quicker. And is therefore more awesome than essays or lectures.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

BigHead posted:

Does me posting a news article here about an open case, without comment other than to call it hosed up poo poo, violate my duty not to discuss a pending case with the media? Is this forum considered media? What if I just link to the article on https://www.adn.com and call it "Tied For First Place Worst Crime Ever Committed?"

This is an ethical quandary I have.
I've actually seen worse (Not my client -- yes it did involve infant rape). Too old to have an article, but guy was found NGI. No he's never getting out of the state hospital.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

TheBestDeception posted:

I know you've said you tried applying for various state positions, but did you ever look into volunteering, for instance, with the OAG? They have a pretty open volunteer policy, and being a solid volunteer is a great way to jump to the front of the application line.

Is the VIP program at the OAG the right one for a licensed attorney who wants to volunteer? It looks geared toward students, so it's a bit hard to tell. Definitely willing to give it a shot. Thanks for the tip!

Solid Lizzie
Sep 26, 2011

Forbes or GTFO

Green Crayons posted:

What I'm saying is, is that it gets quicker. And is therefore more awesome than essays or lectures.
Yeah, I've whittled my time down, although my first AMP of the day dragged on a little and BarBri timed me out. I felt like the slow kid in gym class.

Lawdog69
Nov 2, 2010

insanityv2 posted:

Lol done with the writing comp. gently caress that thing.

This reminds me of a story I heard from my friend's dad.

Apparently one of his fellow associates was telling one of the partners at that firm about how it was his dream to.... something. I forget this. But the point of the story is that said partner looked at him and said:

"Dreams are for children. It's time to grow up, son."

Writing comp suckkkkked.

As long as your dream is to die alone you good.

bub spank
Feb 1, 2005

the THRILL
Ugh articling position calls are 10am tomorrow morning.

On the bright side, yay articling calls are tomorrow and (hopefully) after that I'll be done with this dumb process

bub spank fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 28, 2013

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

nm posted:

I've actually seen worse (Not my client -- yes it did involve infant rape). Too old to have an article, but guy was found NGI. No he's never getting out of the state hospital.

Here's one a friend handled not too long ago.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/03/kenner_man_convicted_of_brutal.html

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Hate to say it, but 5 year old rape is more common than anyone wants to really know. Infant rape is really really rare though (thank god).

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


The Times-Picayune posted:

he launched into a lengthy apology to the 5-year-old girl he raped so brutally that she required emergency reconstructive surgery.

There isn't a :stonk: big enough. I had a friend who was all set on the path to be a DA, until she interned for a federal judge and saw her first kiddie porn case. Next day she was changing her fall course schedule to specialize in transactional.

TheBestDeception
Nov 28, 2007

Dogen posted:

Is the VIP program at the OAG the right one for a licensed attorney who wants to volunteer? It looks geared toward students, so it's a bit hard to tell. Definitely willing to give it a shot. Thanks for the tip!

Its all through the same coordinator, but yeah, I think the naming is divided up by interns (law students), clerks (graduated / waiting on bar), and volunteer attorneys. Looking at the site now - yeah, the VIP is the one you'd want to reference. Good luck!

Bro Enlai
Nov 9, 2008

nm posted:

Hate to say it, but 5 year old rape is more common than anyone wants to really know. Infant rape is really really rare though (thank god).

Of all the opinions I've worked on during my clerkship (the ones that have been published, anyway,) fully half have involved sexual assaults on small children whom the defendant was living with at the time. Wtf WA

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep
Toddler rape is so common that a minor ESPN analyst celebrity with my first and last name was caught by the FBI arranging to do it and now that's what he's most famous for. So anybody who tries to criticize me for using my middle name as part of my professional name can go gently caress themselves.

Starting my summer job today!

commish
Sep 17, 2009

MoFauxHawk posted:

Toddler rape is so common that a minor ESPN analyst celebrity with my first and last name was caught by the FBI arranging to do it and now that's what he's most famous for. So anybody who tries to criticize me for using my middle name as part of my professional name can go gently caress themselves.

Starting my summer job today!

Is there actually a person out there who would criticize someone for using their middle name like this?

I do criticize people who sign emails with their initials.

Zarkov Cortez
Aug 18, 2007

Alas, our kitten class attack ships were no match for their mighty chairs

nm posted:

Hate to say it, but 5 year old rape is more common than anyone wants to really know. Infant rape is really really rare though (thank god).

There's varying degrees though.

Bro Enlai posted:

Of all the opinions I've worked on during my clerkship (the ones that have been published, anyway,) fully half have involved sexual assaults on small children whom the defendant was living with at the time. Wtf WA

I saw quite a few appeals on these types of cases.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Soylent Pudding posted:

There isn't a :stonk: big enough. I had a friend who was all set on the path to be a DA, until she interned for a federal judge and saw her first kiddie porn case. Next day she was changing her fall course schedule to specialize in transactional.
Feh, federal CP cases aren't much compared to actual child rape. I saw a few internet CP cases back in school, and in every case the defendant was just a loser basement dweller, sometimes turned in by a parent trying to scare them straight. I felt sorry for most of them. Therapy is the best solution - being sexually attracted to children isn't something people chose to do.

Actually raping a child requires an entirely different class of person. Bury those fuckers under the prison.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
My first exposure to legal practice was interning at a family friend's law firm the summer before I started law school where I was doing research on a Brazilian child porn ring in support of a case of a now-adult woman who was suing Amazon to get an "artistic nudes" book pulled because she (as a 12-year-old) was on the cover.

I do remember that there was some crossover involving the custodian of records being some with whoever was, at the time, behind MET-Art.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
"research"

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
I work better researching alone in the bathroom, what of it

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Phil Moscowitz posted:

I work better researching alone in the bathroom, what of it
I would take documents into the can at work in a second if I thought I could get away with it

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

TenementFunster posted:

I would take documents into the can at work in a second if I thought I could get away with it

Best part of working from home.

bub spank
Feb 1, 2005

the THRILL

burf posted:

Ugh articling position calls are 10am tomorrow morning.

On the bright side, yay articling calls are tomorrow and (hopefully) after that I'll be done with this dumb process

As a follow up to this :toot: secured an article at my first choice firm woo

Penguins Like Pies
May 21, 2007

burf posted:

As a follow up to this :toot: secured an article at my first choice firm woo

Congrats! Now enjoy 3L before you throw your life away.

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Soylent Pudding posted:

There isn't a :stonk: big enough. I had a friend who was all set on the path to be a DA, until she interned for a federal judge and saw her first kiddie porn case. Next day she was changing her fall course schedule to specialize in transactional.

I knew a guy from my college, a former roommate of my friend's, who went to Syracuse Law and was all set to be a DA until he interned for a DA and got caught stealing the child porn evidence they had, leading to his expulsion and some kind of legal consequence, though I'm not sure what. Now he's apparently getting a master's in finance at Northeastern (NOT NORTHWESTERN), according to his non-friend public facebook profile.



And no, people generally don't criticize me for using my middle name (but a couple have). It's also just a common name without the middle name and I think people usually pick that up. I want to be me, not hundreds of other guys. It's the whole reason I have a middle name in the first place.

Putting just a middle initial like my dad does is pretty worthless, as proven by Arthur Miller the legal scholar. Nobody bothers using his middle initial even though he uses it in his name, so anybody who hasn't been in law school for several months thinks of the playwright when he comes up. It's almost completely pointless to use a middle initial rather than the full middle name.

Though that might also be because when you use his middle initial, R, it can sound like you're saying "ArthARRRR Miller!"

HolySwissCheese
Mar 26, 2005

MoFauxHawk posted:

I knew a guy from my college, a former roommate of my friend's, who went to Syracuse Law and was all set to be a DA until he interned for a DA and got caught stealing the child porn evidence they had, leading to his expulsion and some kind of legal consequence, though I'm not sure what. Now he's apparently getting a master's in finance at Northeastern (NOT NORTHWESTERN), according to his non-friend public facebook profile.



And no, people generally don't criticize me for using my middle name (but a couple have). It's also just a common name without the middle name and I think people usually pick that up. I want to be me, not hundreds of other guys. It's the whole reason I have a middle name in the first place.

Putting just a middle initial like my dad does is pretty worthless, as proven by Arthur Miller the legal scholar. Nobody bothers using his middle initial even though he uses it in his name, so anybody who hasn't been in law school for several months thinks of the playwright when he comes up. It's almost completely pointless to use a middle initial rather than the full middle name.

Though that might also be because when you use his middle initial, R, it can sound like you're saying "ArthARRRR Miller!"

1. Just embrace your e-anonymity granted by your shady name-bro. The good things about you won't come up in Google, but neither will bad things. If you are really worried, you can put "not that espn dick guy" in your cover letter.

2. have you considered being M. Faux Hawk?

Green Crayons
Apr 2, 2009

Soylent Pudding posted:

There isn't a :stonk: big enough. I had a friend who was all set on the path to be a DA, until she interned for a federal judge and saw her first kiddie porn case. Next day she was changing her fall course schedule to specialize in transactional.
You have to be in the child porn unit to be a DA?

Like, couldn't she just do some other DA work -- or are just all the cases muddled together when you're a DA?

I only have experience with the AG's office, where units are clearly and distinctly separated.

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM
Talking about how much child porn we have had to look at and how many years we sent the sons of bitches away for is like a badge of honor among military prosecutors.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
Lost my first jury trial today. I know I had bad facts and the case wasn't worth poo poo but still, gently caress.

DarkHelmutt
Jan 10, 2011
How's the job market for international business law specializing in China? I'm starting law school in the fall because I'm utterly unemployable and I like China and famines. Gonna study abroad during my law school jaunt.

Omerta
Feb 19, 2007

I thought short arms were good for benching :smith:

Zarkov Cortez posted:

They had a lady on Jeopardy with an MD and JD.

That's all I've got.

There's a firm that spammed symplicity for MD/JDs -- Goldman Ismael or something similar because I'm too lazy to google it. They did products liability and everyone had insane credentials (like Yale med and Yale law or something insane).

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

CaptainScraps posted:

Lost my first jury trial today. I know I had bad facts and the case wasn't worth poo poo but still, gently caress.

You'll get them next time, man.

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

DarkHelmutt posted:

How's the job market for international business law specializing in China? I'm starting law school in the fall because I'm utterly unemployable and I like China and famines. Gonna study abroad during my law school jaunt.

Bad? "International law" is practically a non-existent field, particularly right out of law school.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


DarkHelmutt posted:

How's the job market for international business law specializing in China? I'm starting law school in the fall because I'm utterly unemployable and I like China and famines. Gonna study abroad during my law school jaunt.

Depends. What's your opinion on pandas?

DarkHelmutt
Jan 10, 2011
I love pandas.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Good, because you'll be cleaning their cages.

DarkHelmutt
Jan 10, 2011
Awesome.

HolySwissCheese
Mar 26, 2005
Are you Chinese? Do you speak any dialects of Chinese? Have you ever lived in China? Do you have a rich uncle in Beijing? Do you mind working at Foxconn for the first few years while you're getting your law practice off the ground?

Solid Lizzie
Sep 26, 2011

Forbes or GTFO

MoFauxHawk posted:

I knew a guy from my college, a former roommate of my friend's, who went to Syracuse Law and was all set to be a DA until he interned for a DA and got caught stealing the child porn evidence they had, leading to his expulsion and some kind of legal consequence, though I'm not sure what. Now he's apparently getting a master's in finance at Northeastern (NOT NORTHWESTERN), according to his non-friend public facebook profile.
drat, you know about all of our bad eggs. I've never heard of that guy, though.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy

Soylent Pudding posted:

Depends. What's your opinion on pandas?


DarkHelmutt posted:

I love pandas.


evilweasel posted:

Good, because you'll be cleaning their cages.



Seriously the Lawyer thread peak right here.

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Petey
Nov 26, 2005

For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?
I mean, why not get a JD/PhD?

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