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Nique posted:I keep seeing WW regarded highly but I have barely (if ever) seen her at a tournament. What gives? People just don't like her design very much, and she's a bit trickier than a lot of the other top tiers. I played her in UFGT and came close to getting out of my pool, though. 
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NerdJosh plays her, but I can't remember if he's been at any recent NLBC. No one cares about Hawkgirl. 
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May 31, 2013 16:39
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Nique posted:I keep seeing WW regarded highly but I have barely (if ever) seen her at a tournament. What gives?
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May 31, 2013 17:02
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She is the Martian Manhunter of this game. Strong enough to be respected, but uncool enough to be ignored ...until the eventual Martian Manhunter DLC, heh 
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May 31, 2013 17:11
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may contain peanuts posted:Maybe I'm wrong here, but I can't help thinking like, if all these top players think Wonder Woman is top 5 or whatever, how come none of them are playing her? That was basically where I was at too. I guess a better question to ask is why is WW rated so highly in the first place, she's probably one of my most played characters but i'm nowhere near good enough to gauge stuff like tier lists accurately myself. I know her B2 is godlike and she has an airdash which is awesome, but beyond that I don't see much that sets her ahead of the rest of the cast.
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May 31, 2013 17:12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T93yfinXD10 Is that damage right? 
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May 31, 2013 17:17
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Nique posted:I know her B2 is godlike and she has an airdash which is awesome, but beyond that I don't see much that sets her ahead of the rest of the cast. Stupidly damaging combos (seriously), good damage off lows, and very very safe.
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May 31, 2013 17:19
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Why is Killer Frost so high on the tier list? I honestly don't know.. I've seen maybe one online.
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May 31, 2013 17:19
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^ Slide is the stupidest move in the game and she converts everything into high damage resets that are difficult to block on reaction.Jmcrofts posted:Stupidly damaging combos (seriously), good damage off lows, and very very safe. To follow this up, she has the best corner pressure in the game, probably the best non-teleport mobility, and excellent reversals/anti-airs in B2 and lasso spin. She also takes negligible chip in shield stance.
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May 31, 2013 17:22
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Jmcrofts posted:Stupidly damaging combos (seriously), good damage off lows, and very very safe. Didn't really take safety into account - guess that makes sense. Probably also implies she's not the character I should be using, haha. I cannot reliably time the 23 into b3 that seems pretty central to most of her big damage combos, and whiffing it leads to a free punish on her  Feels awesome to nail it though.rocket USA posted:To follow this up, she has the best corner pressure in the game In sword & shield stance or lasso? Nique fucked around with this message at 17:26 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 17:24
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Killer Frost is legit good. The stupidest thing I've seen in a long time was a Killer Frost sending me a rage message complaining about resets. I mean, yeah, Batgirl has good resets but Killer Frost is just ridiculous.
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May 31, 2013 17:41
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Nique posted:In sword & shield stance or lasso? Generally lasso. Between throw, 33, B2, B11, and F3 you can completely overwhelm them (except for B2 those strings are all plus on block). Shield also has its uses with how insane meter burned shield charge is, as well as huge damage off F3 and her B2 low. rocket USA fucked around with this message at 17:50 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 17:45
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T93yfinXD10 That's a gimmick combo that's never going to occur timed perfectly on a Bane at maximum Venom (so he deals more damage) performed on a Bane on Venom cooldown (so he takes more damage) before the patch lowered the amount of damage Bane takes on Venom cooldown. So yes, the damage is "right" but it's not something you're ever going to see.
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sponsz posted:Killer Frost is legit good. The stupidest thing I've seen in a long time was a Killer Frost sending me a rage message complaining about resets. I mean, yeah, Batgirl has good resets but Killer Frost is just ridiculous. I don't think I know what a reset is, care to enlighten me?
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May 31, 2013 17:56
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Interstellar Owl posted:I don't think I know what a reset is, care to enlighten me? Stop a combo intentionally and do a mixup to try to start another combo. You do a lot more damage that way because damage scaling resets when the combo ends. I made a little video talking about it for Skullgirls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAeN-rFbc_U
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May 31, 2013 18:04
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Interstellar Owl posted:I don't think I know what a reset is, care to enlighten me? A situation where you can start another combo and your opponent can't do anything except guess the correct way to block it. I might be somewhat wrong, but I think that's the correct definition. e;fb with a much better explanation, haha.
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May 31, 2013 18:04
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Interstellar Owl posted:I don't think I know what a reset is, care to enlighten me? It's when you're losing to Killer Frost and you get up and physically reset your console so you don't have to sit there and watch 45% of your life bar vanish before your eyes.
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May 31, 2013 18:11
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Whats the best way to block Doomsday body splash after I am knocked down. Played a guy last night who abused it well and seemed no matter which way I tried to block(thinking it was crossing up) I would just get destroyed.
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May 31, 2013 18:21
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Rugpisser posted:Whats the best way to block Doomsday body splash after I am knocked down. Played a guy last night who abused it well and seemed no matter which way I tried to block(thinking it was crossing up) I would just get destroyed. It either crossed up or it didn't. If you can't by looking, you pretty much have to guess which side it's going to hit on. If he did it late enough, you can dash out.
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May 31, 2013 18:23
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Jmcrofts posted:It either crossed up or it didn't. If you can't by looking, you pretty much have to guess which side it's going to hit on. If he did it late enough, you can dash out. So for a cross up whats the "line" that it crosses to be on the other side? Is it simply something like draw a line down the center of the character, or is it more akin to anything behind the head needs to be blocked the other way?
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Rugpisser posted:So for a cross up whats the "line" that it crosses to be on the other side? Is it simply something like draw a line down the center of the character, or is it more akin to anything behind the head needs to be blocked the other way? I think it's more or less as you described, a line down the center of the character, it's hard to really describe precisely. It's dependent on the hitbox of the actual move coming at you, for example Black Adam's jump2 where his toe hits at a very strange angle, so it can look like it's going to be in front of you and actually hit behind. e: Basically, a character's "cross up" jumping attack tends to be the one with the most ambiguous hitbox.
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rocket USA posted:Generally lasso. Between throw, 33, B2, B11, and F3 you can completely overwhelm them (except for B2 those strings are all plus on block). Shield also has its uses with how insane meter burned shield charge is, as well as huge damage off F3 and her B2 low. In addition, as long as you have meter, you can go into her big damage corner stuff off most any of her Sword stance starters in one of two ways: starter XX Shield Throw~MB, 2b1 XX bf3 into her corner juggle (I think it's like 11b1 b1 b1 b1 11b1 11b1 11b1 f12 XX bf3) starter~Trait switch, Lasso bf2~MB, b113~Trait switch into corner juggle Anyway, my comment about her being too far toward the well-rounded side was admittedly more to do with the fact that they had her as more well-rounded than Green Lantern, which is something I don't really agree with. Green Lantern has better potential to run away with a life lead if the situation demands it, he has a very strong anti-air in the mid-range game that leads into great damage provided you have the meter to MB it, and said anti-air option is also able to go into 25% unclashable damage if necessary. His ability to close distance is weaker but he has so many good tools to make the opponent do that for him, and if they trip up and make a mistake GL can land solid damage into some pretty strong mixup positions, too. With Wonder Woman, she has the previously described strengths of excellent meterless damage, safe pressure strings in Lasso, a couple fast alternate movement options in Lasso (Lasso stance air dash and instant air df3), and insane corner pressure and damage potential. On the other hand, her main areas of weakness are her obvious lack of any sort of full screen option in a game riddled with strong full screen zoning characters, which leads into a secondary weakness of being forced to close the gaps in situations where the opponent has a life lead and the patience to exploit it. WW does have those secondary movement abilities to close the gap in these situations but both are still calculated risks when faced with a patient zoning opponent who will be looking for them. Of course, I say all this but I still also believe she's really solid. I also don't know that I necessarily agree with the previously mentioned argument that "if she's so good, why aren't more people playing her?" either. Sometimes characters take longer to catch on and develop, and for the game's early life a lot of people were perfectly content to go with the very apparent easy and strong options as opposed to one that may take a bit more work.
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So I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a little here as someone who's mained Killer Frost since release but I just want to say that while she is a really good character I think Brady and REO are putting her way too high up there in relation to other characters and I think Jmcrofts' position for her is much more appropriate and where I'd say she belongs. The problem with them considering Killer Frost at the absolute top tier is that she's much too balanced of a character, I'd probably go as far as to say she might be one if not the most balanced characters in the game. Yes she has crazy good resets that when combined with her trait can nearly one touch kill off any of her combo starters for just one meter, a lot of other aspects of her design make it so this doesn't make her a broken character. Her movement options are not all that great, while both her ground and air dashes move her a fair distance they are really slow leaving her vulnerable to being punished during them, meaning she has a relatively hard time getting in on certain characters, especially anybody with half decent zoning and/or keepaway tools(though her ice spike can catch grounded characters, with an EX allowing her to throw daggers out then move in). While her good combo starters are safe on block, a good majority of them have slow startup, small range, and hit high so you can just duck and have it miss completely. Her slide is a great tool to compensate for her subpar mobility and can be cancelled into from most strings, is safe on block(I think it's -2 or -4), and can catch certain characters doing unsafe things from a distance, however it not only trades with a lot of moves it can be straight up beat by certain moves as simple as a d1.
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I don't know why people still have Bane dumped on the bottom of lists now. Since the charge and venom CD buffs he's a lot better off. Like he still loses some matchups bad, but he's nowhere near being the worst thing in the game, especially not worse than someone like Lobo. (This is from watching a lot streams, bigger players and junk, not just my games against bad pubbies)
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These tier lists shouldn't be anything but a fun source of discussion for the majority of goons who visit this thread. Unless you're a high level regular tournament player most of the reasons why any character is where they are will have no real bearing on how effective you can actually be with them online or how well you may do versus players who are using characters of higher tier. Edit: With that said I don't know why Bane is so low tier either. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 31, 2013 |
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Since we doing the tier discussion thing here is my personal opinion on the tier list after the patch. http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/inj...g7o00gr00il-bk5 Not really using the board to its fullest there, but consider that S, A, B, C and D as far as the groupings go.
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Evil Canadian posted:Since we doing the tier discussion thing here is my personal opinion on the tier list after the patch. That's a pretty reasonable list. As for not using the whole thing, I wouldn't even think something like a D really exists in this game. Like some characters are obviously worse off than others yeah, but I wouldn't consider anyone dumpster-tier, loses against everyone level.
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http://bit.ly/17buvIQ That's what my tier list would look like right now. I don't think there's a D tier in this game but Bane definitely feels mediocre compared to the rest of the cast. My only real experience with him has been playing jmcrofts a few times but it feels like he doesn't get nearly enough when he gets in. If he could spend meter to give teeth to his mixups it might make the trouble of getting in and scoring a knockdown worth it.
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rocket USA posted:http://bit.ly/17buvIQ Agreed. Bane just doesn't do enough damage relative to how bad he is at getting in. When someone like Superman or Wonder Woman can get 50% for 1-2 meters, Bane just doesn't seem like an attractive option. None of his meter burns let him combo after them (something that a majority of the rest of the cast can do), and the only time he can do above ~35% in a combo is if you go to lv2 or 3 trait, which both still have strong drawbacks that other powerful traits like Green Lantern's or Superman's do not. He also loses hard to all the top tiers.
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Here's my tier list, i expect this to change a bit here and there as the months go on but it's pretty solid imo.
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Jmcrofts posted:When someone like Superman or Wonder Woman can get 50% for 1-2 meters Wonder Woman gets 50% meterless. 
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Holy Calamity! posted:Here's my tier list, i expect this to change a bit here and there as the months go on but it's pretty solid imo.
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Holy Calamity! posted:Here's my tier list, i expect this to change a bit here and there as the months go on but it's pretty solid imo. This is a hilarious list, mine would have Raven, Shazam and Nightwing instead 
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Holy Calamity! posted:Here's my tier list, i expect this to change a bit here and there as the months go on but it's pretty solid imo. Well, I see your main and my main are at the top, so I absolutely agree with this!  Seriously I like Evil Canadian's a lot, I agree with him that there's no garbage tier but there definitely is an "SS" tier where you have tons of easy safe options that you can just cycle through. I may be a scrub but at least I put the onus of that on myself, and not on my character (it's Bane, I love him but he needs some work).
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YOU WILL SUBMIT
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Here we go.
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Evil Canadian posted:Since we doing the tier discussion thing here is my personal opinion on the tier list after the patch. This list feel pretty right. I'd move Lex up, but not into the next group. Those set-ups he has are awesome, and that charge is a good reversal for a lot of things.
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Nique posted:I keep seeing WW regarded highly but I have barely (if ever) seen her at a tournament. What gives? Here's a decent overview of Wonder Woman's strengths: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHRLQafcJTE
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I'm too lazy to make a full list, but I'd say top five are Superman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Batman, and Black Adam.
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The one, true tier chart for Real Men. I'm real mature you guys
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