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Arschlochkind
Mar 29, 2010

:stare:

Complexcalibur posted:

I've never played Exalted, but I had heard a little about it. From what I had gathered it was a game to play if you wanted to be Son Goku (either of them), and all the ridiculous monsters in the Immortals Handbook were things you could reasonably be expected to square off with.

But no, it's about rape ghosts, I guess. Really, it's more my fault for not knowing better.

Don't be silly. You can be Son Goku fighting the rape ghosts of dead vinyl nuns.

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Captain Rufus
Sep 16, 2005

CAPTAIN WORD SALAD

OFF MY MEDS AGAIN PLEASE DON'T USE BIG WORDS

UNNECESSARY LINE BREAK
I met one of the authors of that porn supplement at a con. (It didn't exist yet.)
She was a very nice lady. Though she kept mentioning having an open marriage and I think she wanted to bang my friend who was completely oblivious to it. (He is a social butterfly type but naieve as hell.)

Honestly WWolf stuff always seems to attract crazy people. Always. (I can never have a thing for French maid outfits. When one larper I saw apparently found a tent sized version...) Its mostly people rping high school politics but with kewl powers.

poo poo. Rpgnet used to have annual Exalted porn contests. Dunno if they still do. Don't want to. (One of that crowd was behind the art for a tentacled rape card game. A hardcore one. She was insane.)

But this is just getting out of hand. When Hol is looking restrained you gots to step the gently caress back.

But no. RPGs all seem to be getting this horrible rape obsession.

Snollygoster
Dec 17, 2002

what a scoop

Complexcalibur posted:

I've never played Exalted, but I had heard a little about it. From what I had gathered it was a game to play if you wanted to be Son Goku (either of them), and all the ridiculous monsters in the Immortals Handbook were things you could reasonably be expected to square off with.

But no, it's about rape ghosts, I guess. Really, it's more my fault for not knowing better.

Here's the thing, and here's why so many people are white knighting for this game. Exalted is a hole that a good idea has almost crawled out of several times. The Kickstarter is a microcosm: "Look at this cool idea! We've taken non-Tolkien fantasy and mashed up Hyperborean pulp fiction with wuxia epics!" and you're all proud of them, and then they poo poo all over themselves with poorly playtested mechanics and a seething cauldron of rape devils and bikini witches.

The game isn't grotesque, balls to bones, in the same vein as FATAL. There are good ideas in it. They're just wildly eclipsed by the creepy crap, a game so mechanically imbalanced it required a 200-page errata PDF to fix and the kind of creative echo tunnel that results in grown adults deciding a full page comic of a bloated child rape victim pleading for help was a great idea.

Christ. I pointed this out to the administrator of an online Exalted RPG chat community. She defended the book, saying the demons were "venerating" the child by having who-can-rape-her-the-best contests.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Snollygoster posted:

Exalted is a hole that a good idea has almost crawled out of several times.

Yeah pretty much this. I played in a reasonably long-running Exalted game that wasn't in the slightest bit rapey. I'd only heard rumours of the "adult" pdf, and never bothered to read Infernals, our game was more "bored scions of a declining dynasty go treasure hunting".

Now I feel dirty by associaton. :sigh:

neoboman
Feb 16, 2007

Some Moron posted:

I mean, I'm someone who thinks "goon" is a pejorative and "Something Awful" is an accurate descriptor. That any of those sites have anything positive to offer humanity is at the least highly suspect.

Still, I'm sure to you, those guys are the Yahtzee of RPGs or somesuch. To me they're half-clever amateurs and cutrate propagandists. And they're going out of their way to abuse something I love.

Now I beg your pardon as I return to my domicile to pleasure myself to the horrific raping of a twelve year old.

Oh, and congrats on the sick burn. It might shock someone of your considerable intelligence that we've never heard that one in the past fifteen years.

"Something I love." Jesus gently caress. I guess the work 'indefensible' is just something I dreamed.

neoboman fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jun 1, 2013

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Captain Rufus posted:

But this is just getting out of hand. When Hol is looking restrained you gots to step the gently caress back.
There is a political science concept called "blowback," which is basically "the people in power told lies/greatly exaggerated things in order to get their policies enacted, and now the people who grew up hearing these lies believe them 100% and take them even further."

Maybe HOL is the gaming example of that; who knows?

"HOL was so edgy! Why does nobody write games like that anymore?!"
"Uhh, that was a satire of--"
"AND WHAT ABOUT VIOLENCE: THE ROLE-PLAYING GAME OF EGREGIOUS AND REPULSIVE BLOODSHED? THAT HAD SOME AMAZING MECHANICS!"
"...nooooooooooo"

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

Quarex posted:


Maybe HOL is the gaming example of that; who knows?


Just wonderin', had anyone ever sat down and tried to actually run a game of HoL? How did it work out?

Arschlochkind
Mar 29, 2010

:stare:

Gynovore posted:

Just wonderin', had anyone ever sat down and tried to actually run a game of HoL? How did it work out?

My older brother is the more experienced RPG dork between us, and as I recall he seemed to be familiar enough with HoL that he may have played it with his college buddies way back when. I may ask him to see how it functions.

Fell
Feb 22, 2007

by Cowcaster

The Moon Monster posted:

I was having a nice time until page 10. Uuuuugh.

Same. I was laughing my rear end off (the ghost orgy commentary was hilarious), then I got to page 10 and now I'm just bummed out :(

The last few seconds of Lowtax's slenderman.exe video perfectly encapsulates my reaction to page 10.

Fell fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Jun 2, 2013

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.
I thought I'd go ahead and send a report to kickstarter about Exalted since,

Kickstarter posted:

What is not allowed?

No offensive material (hate speech, etc.); pornographic material; or projects endorsing or opposing a political candidate.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer

Gynovore posted:

Just wonderin', had anyone ever sat down and tried to actually run a game of HoL? How did it work out?

We did! We even had a custom character for the ~girl~ in our group. She was playing Ripley, who had a nuts score. Our Holmeister also came into the room with his shirt open and the letters HM and a lightning bolt scrawled across his chest in edible body oil.

Mostly it was just strange little vignettes. We went off in search of treasure at the behest of a man holding an electric cucumber (vibrator), paid Cap'n Highliner in the use of one of Brother Studbasket's altar boys ("Are any of you named Billy?") and then just kind of faded out because we'd prepared a big batch of Church 'N' Munch Orange (One packet orange Kool-Aid to one litre water, add sugar until saturated) and the sugar crash wiped us out.

Younger friends, still in high school, apparently had rules arguments about HoL. Which... well, poo poo. The whole thing's a big, shouty joke at the expense of gaming as a pastime. Arguing about it in earnest just makes it funnier.

HoL was silly. HoL was tasteless. HoL had Sodomy Bikers, a setting where there were no female PCs (because women were too drat smart to go anywhere near the Landfill), and a PC who was strongly implied to be a child molester, but they drew the line way before drawing Brother Studbasket balls-deep in a goddamn twelve year old.

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



Fell posted:

Same. I was laughing my rear end off (the ghost orgy commentary was hilarious), then I got to page 10 and now I'm just bummed out :(

The last few seconds of Lowtax's slenderman.exe video perfectly encapsulates my reaction to page 10.

To at least try to be fair, that was the reaction of quite a sizable portion of the Exalted fanbase to the book that page 10 refers to. As I recall, there were more demands for money back regarding that book than the rest of the Exalted line combined and plenty of people went "Okay, I'm done with this game forever now" specifically because of the things Zack and Steve noted.

Edit: To clarify, it's the consensus in my own segment of the Exalted fanbase that Infernals is utterly indefensible, and we pretty much agree entirely with the column. :shrug:

Edit2: Fixed a stupid mistake. Also, the words 'reprehensible, vile, atrocious and contemptible' came to mind on further reflection. There really is no excuse for that book and the writers of chapters 1-3 and 7 should be very, very ashamed of themselves and leave it out of their CVs entirely.

TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Jun 4, 2013

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

Now prepare yourselves! You're the guests of honor at the Greatest Kung Fu Cannibal BBQ Ever!

Well, this whole incident's made me go from liking Exalted somewhat despite the creepy bits and the lovely rules to just hating the whole thing and not really wanting to be part of this hobby anymore.

Damnit, I am freshly angry about Lillun again.

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

TLM3101 posted:

To at least try to be fair, that was the reaction of quite a sizable portion of the Exalted fanbase to the book that page 10 refers to. As I recall, there were more demands for money back regarding that book than the rest of the Exalted line combined and plenty of people went "Okay, I'm done with this game forever now" specifically because of the things Zack and Steve noted.

Edit: To clarify, it's the consensus in my own segment of the Exalted fanbase that Infernals is utterly indefensible, and we pretty much agree entirely with the column. :shrug:

Edit2: Fixed a stupid mistake. Also, the words 'reprehensible, vile, atrocious and contemptible' came to mind on further reflection. There really is no excuse for that book and the writers of chapters 1-3 and 7 should be very, very ashamed of themselves and leave it out of their CVs entirely.

I remember seeing someone in TG post pictures of himself tearing out all of the material from his copy of Infernals that wasn't specifically related to the mechanics of playing an Infernal, and then setting all of that on fire.

Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?

Nucleic Acids posted:

I remember seeing someone in TG post pictures of himself tearing out all of the material from his copy of Infernals that wasn't specifically related to the mechanics of playing an Infernal, and then setting all of that on fire.

Yeah, that's a little tragedy in the midst of all the horrid bullshit. If you look purely at the mechanics of playing Infernals, it seemed pretty neat, and while it was still on top of the Exalted system's inherent clunkiness, it definitely looked like a step in the right direction. And then you read the rest of the book, and you never want to play Exalted again.

It's a shame, because I really liked Exalted when it was just coming out with its second edition. The setting was interesting, there was a lot of freedom to do what you wanted in it, and it seemed like they had a clear vision and ran a tight ship. And then White Wolf ran into financial trouble, and they started putting together Exalted books by paying freelance authors by the chapter, then mashing them all together. There was less editorial oversight, and things kind of went off the rails, with the end result being Infernals.

I still occasionally play Exalted, but yeah, the people I play with and I are definitely in the "Ignore Infernals, because holy poo poo dude" camp. Knowing that the game can be great if it's in the proper hands, it's super-disappointing to learn that the guys running the kickstarter for the new edition want to include poo poo like rape ghosts.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

The breakdowns of bizarre RPG systems are good, but can I request that a future update be Zack and Steve playing through another short scenario? The X-Men, Call of Cthulhu, and Conan stories were amazing, especially when a barbarian was investigating cosmic horror on a plantation.

Have you considered taking a look at Delta Green? It's modern day Cthulhu investigation by a quasi-government conspiracy, that often sees postal inspectors confronting deep ones disrupting Saturday deliveries, or IRS agents auditing a Hastur cult.

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

Was going to do one this week, but I didn't have time. I am going to run Star Wars D20 for Steve.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

elpintogrande posted:

Was going to do one this week, but I didn't have time. I am going to run Star Wars D20 for Steve.

Awesome! Looking forward to it!

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/dungeons-and-dragons/star-wars-hutt.php

Ponda Baba was an Aqualish and Obi Wan cut his hand off. :colbert: Guess I'm dorkier than Steve.

Chum Scandal
Oct 30, 2003

Aesop Poprock posted:

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/dungeons-and-dragons/star-wars-hutt.php

Ponda Baba was an Aqualish and Obi Wan cut his hand off. :colbert: Guess I'm dorkier than Steve.

I got the impression this was deliberately wrong to needle the readers.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

This was an awesome update all around, but I loving lost it at "Hmong Mothma".

elpintogrande
Sep 3, 2000

It was a genuine mistake that I refused to take out. Also a mistake was that Steve's character was named Blug and we both called him Blurg throughout the game. Which is fine, I think, because Blurg is better.

Cry Havoc
May 10, 2004

This cyberpunk cartoon avatar is pretty dang ol' good, I tell you what.
Another mistake was "Yadda" instead of "Beth" on the third page. Immersion ruined.

*Burns my copy of Liminal States*

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Cry Havoc posted:

Another mistake was "Yadda" instead of "Beth" on the third page. Immersion ruined.

*Burns my copy of Liminal States*

I'm sure Lowtax will let them edit the article once they go through the correct process. Which probably involves letting Lowtax's daughters hit them in the groin for a while.

elpintogrande posted:

It was a genuine mistake that I refused to take out.

Please say you got wistful about Truth Media, because God knows I just did.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jun 14, 2013

Twenty Four
Dec 21, 2008


As much as I enjoy the regular fashion swat style "make fun of some bad art" WTF DnD's, the ones where a campain is played through in the most rediculous way possible are my absolute favorites. I wish there were more of them and am looking foreward to part two, or however many more parts there might be.

tripwood
Jul 21, 2003

"Cuno can see you're trying to shit him, but Cuno's unshittable, so fuck does Cuno care?"

Hint: He doesn't care.
Luckily the DM seems to be protecting Steve because he'd already be dead at Jabba's. You have to let your players kill themselves if they want to, man.

Nucular Carmul
Jan 26, 2005

Melongenidae incantatrix

tripwood posted:

Luckily the DM seems to be protecting Steve because he'd already be dead at Jabba's. You have to let your players kill themselves if they want to, man.

Clearly Zack is a railroading filthy storygamer DM who should be strung up by his toenails so a REAL DM can step in and intantly kill Steve's character with his 50th level mary sue from his other campaign.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/dungeons-and-dragons/star-wars-yadda.php

I was dying laughing during most of this. The Yadda parts were awesome. Please tell me you're going to do more based around the Star Wars D20 stuff.

Orb Crabmelt
Jan 16, 2011

Nyorp.
Clapping Larry

Steve posted:

Does it seem like Yadda might autograph a head shot for Beth if I climbed out of the vent?


Zack posted:

What's your intelligence score?


Steve posted:

6


Zack posted:

Yes. It seems like he would be glad to autograph something for you right now.

And thus the prophecy was fulfilled.

(There is something seriously wrong with you two.)

Chum Scandal
Oct 30, 2003

This thing was more exciting and interesting than a lot of the EU I've read.

Waco Panty Raid
Mar 30, 2002

I don't mind being a little pedantic.

Aesop Poprock posted:

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/dungeons-and-dragons/star-wars-yadda.php

I was dying laughing during most of this. The Yadda parts were awesome. Please tell me you're going to do more based around the Star Wars D20 stuff.
Agreed, this was absolutely amazing.

Senior Woodchuck
Aug 29, 2006

When you're lost out there and you're all alone, a light is waiting to carry you home
This summer, the holocube comedy of the millenium: Weekend at Yadda's.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

That was amazing, the Yadda parts were the funniest stuff I've read in a while. My favorite line was "Blurg didn't fill out his own character sheet."

Norris Duncan
Aug 27, 2007
Yeah you guys are seriously funny, I hope you're getting paid well for this. Please keep it up! Your stuff, the Roaming Dads and the Levi Johnstons are absolutely the funniest things I read on the internet.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

I laughed really hard at this installment, and kind of wished there was a podcast of this instead of a few short pages (even though I realize you guys probably just shot the poo poo over AIM or something until you had enough for the article)

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Trivia: Yadda being called a 'Yoda creature' is perfectly accurate. Yoda's species is the one species from the movies that George Lucas forbade EU authors from exploring.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

BiggerJ posted:

Trivia: Yadda being called a 'Yoda creature' is perfectly accurate. Yoda's species is the one species from the movies that George Lucas forbade EU authors from exploring.

Also: banned anything about the clone wars, prior to the prequels being released.

Motherfucker def should have let zahn at that one.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Aren't Wookies the only species not allowed to be force sensitive?

ibntumart
Mar 18, 2007

Good, bad. I'm the one with the power of Shu, Heru, Amon, Zehuti, Aton, and Mehen.
College Slice
I think Lowbacca would have a thing or two to say to you about that. :colbert:

I have no idea how canonical that character is and also I don't actually care if Wookiees can be Jedis. I do, however, remember that my first WEG Star Wars game involved my Jedi getting his arms ripped off by albino Wookiee gangsters and the rest of the party fighting over my lightsaber while I bled to death.

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DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Mojo Threepwood posted:

Aren't Wookies the only species not allowed to be force sensitive?

Literally droids have been force sensitive. Erry one get jedi in dis piece.

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