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pangstrom posted:Yeah that covers the ones I can think of, other than the Rove voting math one. My gal is mostly a Seattle liberal metalhead and she made me do a  when she was telling me how much she never wants a woman president. On the other hand I would probably understand if we'd gone this long with no man presidents and all of a sudden it was possible. We're....pretty bad.
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limeincoke posted:Holy poo poo those two guys are so condescending to her that entire segment. I was surprised she defended gay adoption. How does Bill O'Reilly cover gay issues? Or does he avoid them?
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ashgromnies posted:I was surprised she defended gay adoption. How does Bill O'Reilly cover gay issues? Or does he avoid them? I'm betting she has gay friends who have or want to adopt.
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platedlizard posted:I'm betting she has gay friends who have or want to adopt. *cough* Shepard Smith *cough*
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Oh shut up, you can say 'yea she's decent on a topic' without 'heaping laud' on them. Of the fleet of 'pretty blonde ladies who tell you everything is scary' Kelly is the best of that lovely crop. She's not a hero or even that decent, but sometimes she says things that go against FNC's narrative and that's good. Na, Kelly is poo poo because those progressive stands are all for things that benefit her directly. Sure she thinks mandatory maternity and paternity leave should be a right, which is an opinion she came to after having to deal with a pregnancy and managing her career around an infant child. As a working woman she doesn't put up with misogynistic bullshit. But she'll gladly smile while talking about how those lazy shiftless people on welfare need to have their benefits drastically cut because why the gently caress should she care, she's rich and blond, not black and poor. So gently caress her all the more for the self serving bullshit.
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I get the sense that more than most people on Fox, Kelly is playing a role. She's an actor and she knows it, while the real buffoons there seem to at least occasionally believe themselves actual meaningful intellectuals of some coherent right wing ideology. Whether her conservative statements or her liberal statements are closer to the real her though, who knows. I'd be unsurprised to find out she was liberal, conservative, or completely apolitical.
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To be fair you don't know what her opinion on maternity and paternity leave was before she had children. You're just assuming she only came to support it once it benefited her.
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greatn posted:To be fair you don't know what her opinion on maternity and paternity leave was before she had children. You're just assuming she only came to support it once it benefited her. Jon Stewart assumes nothing.
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If Kelly doesn't believe the bullshit she spews then she's just doing it for the money, which is reprehensible.
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beatlegs posted:If Kelly doesn't believe the bullshit she spews then she's just doing it for the money, which is reprehensible. Bill O'Reilly does essentially the same thing. Like, he believes a lot of the poo poo he says, but you can tell he's not 100% behind everything.
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Crasscrab posted:Bill O'Reilly does essentially the same thing. Like, he believes a lot of the poo poo he says, but you can tell he's not 100% behind everything. Which still makes both of them horrible human beings for spewing that poo poo like they believe it. Continuously poisoning the well of intelligent discourse with Republican talking points for money isn't any better than believing those talking points.
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Cordyceps Headache posted:Which still makes both of them horrible human beings for spewing that poo poo like they believe it. Continuously poisoning the well of intelligent discourse with Republican talking points for money isn't any better than believing those talking points. I would argue that it is worse to be honest. Edit: VV yeah that is what I mean. (its worse to willfully spread misinformation) Miltank fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Miltank posted:I would argue that it is worse to be honest. Why? At least the person being honest however abhorrent believes that the poo poo their spewing is correct and will ultimately benefit everyone through magic and racism. The dishonest person on some level knows what they're advocating is wrong and hurts people for no benefit to society and says it all anyway for the paycheck.
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My local conservative talk show host Jerry Doyle was complaining about income tax credits for new employees saying, "if no one is buying a product then why would a company hire new employees, regardless of benefits offered by the government?" Good point, Jerry, I agree! Then he went on to say, "but there are ways the government could get companies to hire, like getting out of the way and lowering corporate tax rates."  But if providing tax credits isn't going to increase employment if a product isn't already selling, then how are lower tax rates going to lead to jobs if a product still isn't selling? How are lower corporate taxes going to increase demand? He grasps what the problem is, but can't seem to get past the "thing I don't like will not fix it, and thing I do like will fix it" mentality even if those two things are functionally similar. So close, yet so far.
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Cordyceps Headache posted:Which still makes both of them horrible human beings for spewing that poo poo like they believe it. Continuously poisoning the well of intelligent discourse with Republican talking points for money isn't any better than believing those talking points. I wasn't arguing the morals of it, I was just pointing out that O'Reilly, along with others, do this sort of thing.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:He grasps what the problem is, but can't seem to get past the "thing I don't like will not fix it, and thing I do like will fix it" mentality even if those two things are functionally similar. A talk show host? A conservative? An American? A man? Surely not.
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ReidRansom posted:But I'd agree that she does pretty much only go against standard conservative dogma when it benefits her directly. That doesn't sound like going against conservative dogma.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:My local conservative talk show host Jerry Doyle was complaining about income tax credits for new employees saying, "if no one is buying a product then why would a company hire new employees, regardless of benefits offered by the government?" "Mr. Garibaldi, there are days I'm very glad I don't have to think the way you do."
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SedanChair posted:A talk show host? A conservative? An American? A man? Surely not. I had hoped the local guy would be a little more sensible than the national locksteppers. He occasionally does say some things that portray more self-awareness than guys like Hannity and Limbaugh.
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gently caress those turds. I'm a stay at home Dad and my wife makes a good living in her job. My kid is awesome so far (he's a little over 2) and hopefully he won't turn out anything like those two creeps. How come no one ever mentioned that in the past, with a traditional stay at home mom and a bread winner father, that part of the reason that that was even possible was due to unions, pensions, a liveable wage and all those other "socialist" constructs that allowed families to survive on one income? Now that all that's gone, people have to get by any way they can and any family is lucky to be able to afford to have either parent to stay at home and raise a baby/toddler. Isn't that what so many of these blowhards go on about all the time? Raise your kids, spend time with them, family values, etc?
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I had hoped the local guy would be a little more sensible than the national locksteppers. He occasionally does say some things that portray more self-awareness than guys like Hannity and Limbaugh. Jerry Doyle is a national show, just not a very popular one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Doyle
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Radio Nowhere posted:Jerry Doyle is a national show, just not a very popular one. Garibaldi was never the same after Bester and Psi Corps messed with his mind. 
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hmm it is hard for me to process that Garibaldi is a right wing talk host
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What the hell, Garibaldi??
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Its always great to watch the  reaction whenever it comes up that Garibaldi is now a low-rent RW talk show host who occasionally subs for Savage.
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Speaking of once-great journalists fallen from grace, does anyone who actually keeps up with the times still take Bob Woodward seriously?
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Dunno. Anne Coulter: "gently caress the Jews."
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Dunno. Anne Coulter: "gently caress the Jews." Well, to be fair, it's really more like she's saying, "gently caress the Latinos."
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Dunno. Anne Coulter: "gently caress the Jews." Someone put this lady in charge of Republican campaign strategy. Should give us twenty years of blue easy.
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You know what, Jerry Doyle? You get a pass. If I had fallen into all of the following careers, in order: -commercial pilot -stockbroker -actor -nationally syndicated talk show host then I would probably lack the life experience to comprehend that people need help from the government sometimes. (Never mind how his careers were helped by the FAA, SEC, Screen Actors' Guild etc.) It would be nice if he had the empathy to see past ronpaul, especially for a man of his age, but that is expecting too much it seems.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Dunno. Anne Coulter: "gently caress the Jews." It's great to watch people like coulter desperately claim to any edgy thing they can so they can still be considered relevant.
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BiggerBoat posted:gently caress those turds. I'm a stay at home Dad and my wife makes a good living in her job. My kid is awesome so far (he's a little over 2) and hopefully he won't turn out anything like those two creeps. And all of it was done with corporate tax rates higher than anything we currently have! See, we need to raise tax rates to protect the nuclear family!
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Radio Nowhere posted:Jerry Doyle is a national show, just not a very popular one. Well poo poo. I just assumed he was local because he's based in Nevada and talks about state politics sometimes.
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BiggerBoat posted:gently caress those turds. I'm a stay at home Dad and my wife makes a good living in her job. My kid is awesome so far (he's a little over 2) and hopefully he won't turn out anything like those two creeps. Ah, but it wasn't unions and liveable wages and pensions, it was good old fashioned American bootstrap spit-shine greatest generation hard work. Everyone today is too lazy to get better jobs. Also, we have labor laws now so unions are unneccesary and, as evidenced by recent moves in Michigan and Wisconsin, those laws never change and keep workers safe forever. 
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The_Rob posted:It's great to watch people like coulter desperately claim to any edgy thing they can so they can still be considered relevant. Book sales depend on it!
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At the risk of starting a flame war ... I think these news outlets are actually healthy. Before anyone entirely loses their mind, let me explain a bit. First, a large portion of our country is right wing. It may not be popular to be so, but it is how that portion of the country thinks. In the interest of full disclosure, I am one of them (waits for the inevitable flames). The issue we had before these right wing outlets was that the media was biased to the left. In other words only one point of view was being talked about publicly. This is further compounded by the desire NOT to talk about politics in American culture. We do so in forums like this and during political debates, but you have to be very good friends with someone to do so on a personal level (in my experience). So, we had a situation that was developing where individuals were only hearing one side of the story and assuming that is all there was. Thats unhealthy when a large portion of your populate doest NOT agree with that side of the story. Especially when your population does not like to talk about politics on an individual level. Politics and belief structures are emotional subjects. Vary rarely can people rationally debate them without it hitting to the core of their belief structure. So, we needed news outlets that cover each side of the story to remind us that other people think differently. I hate watching MSNBC, I would wager my liberal brethren detest watching Fox News. Both are needed to remind each of us there are different points of view on any given subject.
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Never.More posted:The issue we had before these right wing outlets was that the media was biased to the left. That is such a pile of bullshit, and even if it wasn't you're failing to address that the right wing outlets operating today are not working off of actual right wing ideology. They're contrarian snake oil salesmen who have learned to stretch out the Two Minutes Hate into a 24-hour-a-day media empire of verbal sludge. They're exploiting the worst impulses of people in order to sell gold coins and boner pills. Pretty much everything in your post is wrong.
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Never.More posted:At the risk of starting a flame war ... I think these news outlets are actually healthy. Before anyone entirely loses their mind, let me explain a bit. First, a large portion of our country is right wing. It may not be popular to be so, but it is how that portion of the country thinks. In the interest of full disclosure, I am one of them (waits for the inevitable flames). The issue we had before these right wing outlets was that the media was biased to the left. In other words only one point of view was being talked about publicly. This is further compounded by the desire NOT to talk about politics in American culture. We do so in forums like this and during political debates, but you have to be very good friends with someone to do so on a personal level (in my experience). Three things. 1) Mainstream media in the US is by no means left wing, nor has it ever been. Your statement here: quote:The issue we had before these right wing outlets was that the media was biased to the left. In other words only one point of view was being talked about publicly. This is further compounded by the desire NOT to talk about politics in American culture. is part of a narrative put forth by the extreme right wing to pump up its base and legitimize itself. Please present proof that mainstream media is left-wing. 2) Not all viewpoints are equivalent. You remember when the "right wing" media bought into those stupid unskewed polls during the election? Many of the issues surrounding it are that writ-large. Fox News, among others, consistently misrepresented the truth or just outright lies about things that there really is no dispute about. A worldview rooted in deliberately distorting the truth isn't a legitimate worldview, and does not deserve to be acknowledged as such. 3) Americans love to talk about politics.
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