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acmpsu21 posted:Milwaukee... I was thinking literally, like a statue or something made of rhyolite which would be very distinctive. View the three stories of Mitchell As you walk the beating of the world At a distance in time From three who lived there At a distance in space From woman, with harpsichord Silently playing Step on nature Cast in copper - Either the bell in City Hall or the towers which are clad in copper Ascend the 92 steps - This takes you to the fourth floor landing After climbing the grand 200 - The top floor of City Hall is reached after 200 steps. Pass the compass and reach - A mosaic is on the main floor of City Hall which resembles a compass. The foot of the culvert - The entrance to City Hall is like a culvert. Below the bridge - The mayor's office is above the culvert, like a captain's bridge. Walk 100 paces - See picture below. Southeast over rock and soil To the first young birch Pass three, staying west You'll see a letter from the country Of wonderstone's hearth On a proud, tall fifth At its southern foot The treasure waits.  100 paces from the base of City Hall is approximately 250 feet which is this radius shown in red. Southeast takes you to a grassy area with some trees. This area needs some investigation. Neutrino fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Emacs Headroom posted:I thought about that and made some really tenuous connections. The colorblind thing would point to where the red and green subways come together (brooklyn and the bronx), and in Brooklyn there's a place where the make a branch / v-shape. In the middle of the upper branch, there's a Kingston Ave stop, which is of course a place in the Indies, and it's on Eastern Parkway in Flatbush right where the indies parade is. Right but the last part about Rhapsodic man's soil and the Isle of B. Well the Garden hosts both Shakespearean theater and musical events. Isle of B may literally be aisle B.
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HoboZero posted:If Thucydides is Ok. But the OP was confident that this one was in boston before people started making all these "connections" to the library, etc. Why?
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Jun 3, 2013 19:10
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I've also scouted Amazon for the cheapest pokey thing and come up with a tree watering aide for $23, but I think we can do better. something like  Needs to be easy to poke things in the ground, discreet as to not draw too much attention, and not so pointed that I will impale myself carrying it on a bike, and CHEAP. (And ideally on Amazon prime.)
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Jun 3, 2013 19:15
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Barfoid 3 posted:Ok. But the OP was confident that this one was in boston before people started making all these "connections" to the library, etc. Why? I believe that the OP was based on the Lemontiger deduction pages: http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc/thesecret/
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Bea Nanner posted:I never noticed that pole in the picture. Definitely looks like a flagpole. Not unlike the one in Jackson Square. (That also makes the hour and minute hands something of a directional indicator) Yes, and preservation hall is close by. The mask is a symbol of entertainment, the arrows run from the mask to PRESERVATION. I've been playing around with superimposing the clock over jackson square and it does kind of fit, perhaps with PRESERVATION pointing in the direction of preservation hall? Finally, probably nothing but I also superimposed the clock over that whole block where preservation hall is weirdly, the "pole hand" lands on a jewellers...? EDIT: reading about jackson square the flagpole is significant, giant pole, giant second hand, I still think it's likely he is using the pole's shadow, an earlier british version of this game used this method. Bloke fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Jun 3, 2013 19:26
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New Orleans Around the edge of the clock face are blocks, unsymmetrically placed and colored. The second hand is pointing to a small black square. The other colored blocks aren't as dark. Also the surrounding blocks are the longest. Could be nothing.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I believe that the OP was based on the Lemontiger deduction pages: http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc/thesecret/ Is there a better summary of the OP's evidence that cask 11 is boston? That's just a link to unlabeled images.
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Barfoid 3 posted:Ok. But the OP was confident that this one was in boston before people started making all these "connections" to the library, etc. Why? No idea. I think I would have independently made the BPL connection given the Thucydides/Xenophon thing, since they're unique names that I've noticed often on the library facade without having heard either anywhere else. Go ahead and chip in if you have something better, I guess? It could be anything.
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Jun 3, 2013 19:41
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Barfoid 3 posted:Is there a better summary of the OP's evidence that cask 11 is boston? That's just a link to unlabeled images. Other groups and forums out there have a consensus that cask 11 is Boston. Not sure which ones, and I'm too lazy to link, but I've seen it. All the information in the original op was taken from those places.
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Jun 3, 2013 19:46
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New Orleans/CharlestonHieronymous Alloy posted:Here is a sovereign people Absolute Lithops fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Jun 3, 2013 19:47
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Barfoid 3 posted:Is there a better summary of the OP's evidence that cask 11 is boston? That's just a link to unlabeled images. There's also this: http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148559/FrontPage
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Absolute Lithops posted:New Orleans/Charleston Yeah, I saw that but I couldn't find the quote. It could be coincidence or error until we see the quote. Regardless though everyone seems to think an entirely different verse fits New Orleans anyway.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, I saw that but I couldn't find the quote. It could be coincidence or error until we see the quote.
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Jun 3, 2013 20:06
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Milwaukee The sort of watercolor blob next to the millstone is a 17-year locust (someone else figured this out in one of the links from earlier in the thread). Is it possible the cask is buried under a locust tree? Perhaps with the letter R etched into it (as in rhyolite). Maybe next to the river in Pere Marquette Park, as part of the derivation of the word "rhyolite" has to do with "stream" (specifically "lava stream," though...), and the park is on the river. Also, the park is off of Old World 3rd, so maybe that's where the 3 comes in. The Milwaukee County Historical Society is at that park too, so that may be your "distance in time." It's hard to deny that City Hall seems to factor into this somehow, especially with the number of steps matching up. So it's probably in that area. But "locust" could still lead back to Lake Park, where E Locust St ends. Worth checking out maybe for some clues.
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Cask 11 - Boston(?) One of the things bugging me about the consensus that "18th day, 12th hour" refers to Paul Revere's April 18 Midnight Ride, is that the "twelfth hour" of the day is NOON, not midnight. Could these be some kind of directional indicators pointing to the cask itself? Maybe having to do with a sundial (12th "hour")? And "lit by lamplight" maybe meaning that it's buried at the base of a lamp?
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Has anyone actually tried to dig the remaining ones up and failed to find them?
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Milwaukee Looks like there are at least 3 birch trees in Pere Marquette park too. You can see them in this photo from google maps: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Pere...2,99.7,,1,-0.87 Edit: a better view of them - 3 birch trees in a row, and they look like they could've been young trees 30 years ago (but I'm no tree expert). Edit 2: and Pere Marquette park is right next to a bridge, where the "foot of the culvert" and "below the bridge" parts of the riddle might be found. Dr. Bit fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Jun 3, 2013 20:42
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The Monkey Man posted:Has anyone actually tried to dig the remaining ones up and failed to find them? A few people, 3 from the Quest4Treasure forum, none of them came up with anything. There's probably more but there is 10 years of posts to sift through so it's going to be awhile before we know for sure. First summary posts should be up within the hour barring nothing distracting happening!
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N.O. My thoughts on the whole Jackson Square thing. I'm not saying anyone is wrong; I just highly doubt it would have been buried there. It's in a highly public area where digging a 2-3' deep hole would be almost impossible without drawing a lot of attention, even 31 years ago. You have artists that line one side, psychics lining the other, and horse & buggy carriages lining the front. The amount of foot traffic the Square sees daily is pretty massive. Also, the Square is locked at night, so if you wanted to go when no one was there, you'd have to hop an 8' tall spiked wrought iron fence. Devyl fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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NYC A few spurious thoughts Duarte Square - connected to Indies (founder of Dominican republic) - three names in his statue inscription Juan Pablo Duarte - Paved with brick circles ( accounts say that the brick paving "survived" the 2005 revamp of the square but not sure if the circular patterns were there pre-2005) - conceivably within the shadow of a WTC - look north to Isle of B could indicate Broadway or even referring to Winston Churchill Square (Britain?) - shaped like a V - Cars abound (6th and Canal) Possible Trinity Church and grounds? - Grey giant could be BNY Mellon building - eagle on top of monument at the NE corner of the grounds.
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HoboZero posted:No idea. I think I would have independently made the BPL connection given the Thucydides/Xenophon thing, since they're unique names that I've noticed often on the library facade without having heard either anywhere else. Go ahead and chip in if you have something better, I guess? It could be anything. Well my thought is that if someone has already determined it's boston, the signifacance of much of the image must already be known. Which would give us a better direction...
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Does anyone else see this or am I seeing what I want to see? Cask #6 The Park  The Painting  Edit: It has been some time since this was painted so I figure erosion and whatnot could account for them not being quite exact. Also note the rock in the painting and the shape of the lower part of the park. Quite similar. Chaste Watt Om fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Dr. Bit posted:Milwaukee That's a good thought. Although, I remembered they redid the whole park in the 90s. Quick confirmed it was relandscaped in 1994 with the addition of new walkways, the gazebo, and a bronze statue (none of those were there in 1982-84). If it was in fact there, there is a good chance it is gone.
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Hot Dog Day #98 posted:Does anyone else see this or am I seeing what I want to see? Cask 6 One thing to take into consideration is that google earth didn't exist at the time of the publication of this book, meaning if that is a top-down photo it had to have either been drawn from a helicopter or copied from an existing map of the park from that time period. I'd suspect the latter, so it would be worth looking at public records for maps of the park from the 80s and see if they share a similar geography to the picture. SheepNameKiller fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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To Do list is up(in the op), summaries to come! Just need to play with the formatting when a bit.
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Milwaukeecrashdome posted:That's a good thought. Although, I remembered they redid the whole park in the 90s. Quick confirmed it was relandscaped in 1994 with the addition of new walkways, the gazebo, and a bronze statue (none of those were there in 1982-84). If it was in fact there, there is a good chance it is gone. drat. I'm not sure how much of the park got re-landscaped, I can't find any details. They may have only done work along the river, as they've been doing with all of downtown for the RiverWalk. If it was buried further in, it may still be there. But if they did more than that, as is suggested by the following article ("new landscaping and lighting"), it may be gone... http://www.footlights.com/milwaukee/companies-venues/listing/company/pere-marquette-park.html The bronze statue that's currently there is a replica of a statue that used to be in the park but was taken down. The bronze statue was funded in 1987; I'm not sure when the original was taken down or when the new one was put up, the website isn't clear. If the lady in robes is supposed to be a reference to some sort of jesuit outfit, that may be a connection to Jacques Marquette. If that's the case, and this park is where the cask was buried, then we might be out of luck.
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Absolute Lithops posted:Would a goon, especially a Spanish-speaking goon, care to look into this? Found it, it is indeed in Viajes en Europa, Africa i America by Sarmiento. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento posted:Hé aquí el pueblo rei, que se construye palacios para reposar la cabeza Now it is 19th century Argentine Spanish, so I'm having a difficult time with it. It does come after a paragraph that mentions New Orleans, I'm trying to find out the significance of this.
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Serious George posted:Found it, it is indeed in Viajes en Europa, Africa i America by Sarmiento. This is a badly translated section of the book. Sarmiento posted:Approaching steam coming down the Mississippi, becoming one of the semicircular curves describing that immense mass of still water as we pointed out in the horizon, dominating staggered mass colored by the autumn forest and whose base line extending emerald the sugar plantations dilated, the dome of San Carlos, comforting sample after 700 leagues of water and forest, the proximity of New Orleans, and although the appearance of the landscape round about the comparison does not favor the view that distant dome of me recalled to St. Peter's in Rome, visible from all points of the horizon as if it alone existed there, showing colossal twenty leagues, as it is not believed when seen up close. Finally going to see in the United States a basilica of classical architecture and dimensions worthy of worship. Someone asked if we had hotel for our accommodation, indicating the San Carlos, as the most well served. From the dome, he added, may you be at sunrise over the vast panorama of the city, the river, the lake and the surrounding countryside. The San Carlos, who raised his head upright over the hills and forests around the San Carlos who had brought me reminiscent of St. Peter in Rome, was only an inn! It mentions New Orleans, Saint Charles, Saint Peter, and of course the line from the poem. It looks like this is definitely connected to the NO cask. Or maybe not.
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Viking Blood posted:NYC I want to say that based on the one that was found, the basic location was almost 100% based on the image, and the finer details and exact location were the riddle. I think we're putting too much stock in the riddles. I think we should focus purely on the images until we have a tighter grip as to general location.
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allta posted:To Do list is up(in the op), summaries to come! Just need to play with the formatting when a bit. Thanks, man. I have a solid head start and can hop on doing the base-layer dissection of the Boston(?) image, and will aim at putting something up tonight. No wacky overlaid map theories- just basic shapes and concrete callouts.
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Kingnothing posted:I want to say that based on the one that was found, the basic location was almost 100% based on the image, and the finer details and exact location were the riddle. You're right, but the NYC one is so drat vague I don't know how we can possibly figure out a location from that image.
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It is indeed quite badly translated, however it's worth mentioning that 'San Carlos' may well be a reference to the historic Saint Charles Hotel, which used to be at 211 Saint Charles Avenue according to this site. This location is also somewhat close (a few blocks north) to Lafayette Square, if that means anything. Oh, and of course Saint Charles Hotel would be a 'palace' where people shelter their heads. nth edit: I'm way too tired to recall, but has the fact that there are three statues in Lafayette Square been mentioned re: the line 'only three stand watch'? Serious George fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Delthalaz posted:You're right, but the NYC one is so drat vague I don't know how we can possibly figure out a location from that image. In addition I have a feeling the lemontiger guess on this one is way off, he's disregarding the image entirely (except for a REALLY tenuous link based on a street sign of all things) and summarizing his guess based on the poem alone.
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And the poem is really not guaranteed to be New York-relevant
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Delthalaz posted:You're right, but the NYC one is so drat vague I don't know how we can possibly figure out a location from that image. I get that. But even though the NYC image is vague, the answer should be there like it was with the other images. Maybe we're just looking in the wrong place or looking too hard. One word can mean 1000 things, but one image isn't likely to mean as much. We've had crazy theories about the words, and half of them are wildly different. Once we figure out the image, the words should literally just fall into place. NYC is a place packed with history and pop culture, and it's very difficult to connect this to NYC without at least some direction. Lets not even mention the fact that we aren't even sure which verse is NYC.
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The part I don't get is how anything historical around NYC, poem or picture or whatever, can exist without a Robert Moses reference.
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Emacs Headroom posted:The part I don't get is how anything historical around NYC, poem or picture or whatever, can exist without a Robert Moses reference. I'm getting frustrated at the fact that the hem of the lady's dress doesn't really match the shoreline of lower Manhattan at all. In fact it doesn't seem to match any water line.
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Cask 12: NYC Here's a thought that I'm currently looking into. What if those colors areas on the top represent mosaics somewhere in the city? The city (especially the subway stations) are filled with them. I've yet to come across one that looks right, but I'm still looking.
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Kingnothing posted:Cask 12: NYC I thought the same thing today, and came to realize that most of the subway mosaics are with square tiles and done in a very structured pattern, as opposed to these mess of circles. Seems too big a difference if they are meant to represent them.
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