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quote:One of Tumblr’s engineers (presumably) deployed a file to production which contained a critical flaw.
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I had a coworker for a while who would refuse to use a regular text editor and instead was continually loving around with vim. Whenever he wanted to ask me something he would spend minutes just mashing keys just to open the right file, trying to get a window open, trying to get syntax highlighting to work. He wanted to be a real code hacker so bad!
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Jun 3, 2013 06:57
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Sagacity posted:I had a coworker for a while who would refuse to use a regular text editor and instead was continually loving around with vim. Whenever he wanted to ask me something he would spend minutes just mashing keys just to open the right file, trying to get a window open, trying to get syntax highlighting to work. He wanted to be a real code hacker so bad! This suggests that he doesn't even have a nice .vimrc 
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Jun 3, 2013 08:35
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Meh never mind.
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Jun 3, 2013 08:35
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QuarkJets posted:This suggests that he doesn't even have a nice .vimrc 
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Jun 3, 2013 09:09
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Sagacity posted:I had a coworker for a while who would refuse to use a regular text editor and instead was continually loving around with vim. Whenever he wanted to ask me something he would spend minutes just mashing keys just to open the right file, trying to get a window open, trying to get syntax highlighting to work. He wanted to be a real code hacker so bad!
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Jun 3, 2013 14:45
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Sagacity posted:I think that was not the underlying problem, though Clearly the problem is that he wasn't using emacs. (I use vim)
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Jun 3, 2013 16:17
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Sagacity posted:I had a coworker for a while who would refuse to use a regular text editor and instead was continually loving around with vim. Whenever he wanted to ask me something he would spend minutes just mashing keys just to open the right file, trying to get a window open, trying to get syntax highlighting to work. He wanted to be a real code hacker so bad! Sounds like the average user of vim to me.
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Jun 3, 2013 16:31
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hieronymus posted:is that a loving joke No, it's the punchline.
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Jun 3, 2013 17:57
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Jun 3, 2013 21:50
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Do people actually find vim hard to use or something
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Jun 4, 2013 01:01
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xtal posted:Do people actually find vim hard to use or something I find it pointless given that there are actual IDEs available because it's 2013.
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Jun 4, 2013 01:05
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Ithaqua posted:I find it pointless given that there are actual IDEs available because it's 2013. More pointless than having an argument about text editors and IDEs? Doubtful.
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Jun 4, 2013 01:32
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Steve French posted:More pointless than having an argument about text editors and IDEs? Doubtful. Touché!
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Jun 4, 2013 01:34
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If I could get the same vim-like keybindings in every IDE, I'd almost certainly stop using vim for code. The problem is that every IDE seems to use their own special snowflake keyboard shortcuts, and you have to pick up the mouse every three seconds, and ultimately I prefer smooth text editing and half-assed integration over smooth integration but half-assed editing.
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Jun 4, 2013 02:00
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Ithaqua posted:I find it pointless given that there are actual IDEs available because it's 2013.
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Jun 4, 2013 02:56
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Volte posted:Sometimes it's nice to just type code into a text editor. In the YOOL 2013 I still dick around at the command line, and sometimes I want to just pop open an editor to change a line or something. I'll use an IDE for doing active development, but VIM fills a great niche.
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Jun 4, 2013 03:54
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Ithaqua posted:I find it pointless given that there are actual IDEs available because it's 2013. People still use IDEs?
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evensevenone posted:People still use IDEs? As opposed to...
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Jun 4, 2013 04:53
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Volmarias posted:As opposed to... I just use Siri to dictate all of my code.
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Jun 4, 2013 05:24
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Jabor posted:and you have to pick up the mouse every three seconds I only use vim when I have to edit a file on a server, and I don't know anyone that uses vim so this is seriously a complaint that I've never understood. I can't fathom navigating a large file without scrolling with my mouse. When I'm done editing a section of code I usually want to go and jump to some other related class which I can do with a ctrl + left click. What options are there for doing that in something like vim? If there aren't then I think that feature breaks even with whatever text wizardry you're doing in vim.
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Jun 4, 2013 05:33
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Volmarias posted:As opposed to...
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Hard NOP Life posted:I only use vim when I have to edit a file on a server, and I don't know anyone that uses vim so this is seriously a complaint that I've never understood. I can't fathom navigating a large file without scrolling with my mouse. I usually just use search to move quickly around a file. If you want to go to a particular function just type "/<function name>" rather than scrolling around looking for it. If you really want to scroll around (you probably don't want to scroll around, chances are there are better ways to do what you're actually wanting to do) you can use PageDown or 20j and then hit . repeatedly or something. For navigating to other files you just put your cursor over the name of something and then <c-]> or gf or something depending on what exactly you're looking for.
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Jun 4, 2013 06:32
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Gahhhhhhhh  code:
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Jun 4, 2013 07:15
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Volmarias posted:As opposed to... cat, grep, and sed
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Jun 4, 2013 07:20
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xtal posted:Do people actually find vim hard to use or something
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Dicky B posted:It takes a while to learn though, which is why you should learn it in school or in your free time instead of wasting everybody's time during office hours. Yeah, I probably wouldn't recommend learning it during time someone is paying you and expecting you to be productive. Or only go full-immersion one day a week or something until you're able to write code in it without embarrassing yourself, and only then start to step it up. If your company budgets time for professional development then spending that time to learn how to use an editor efficiently is something to consider.
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Jun 4, 2013 10:02
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Are you an hourly employee? Shut up and do as you're told. Are you an exempt employee and expected to be self directing? Does your work week end after exactly 40 hours? Maybe it's in your and the companies best interest to learn other skills to increase your productivity and value. Edit: It doesn't pay to be snarky before coffee Hughlander fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Jun 4, 2013 14:22
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Hughlander posted:Does your day end after exactly 40 hours? It's a shame I can't find the astronomical data for a planet where this is true, otherwise there'd be a really great joke here.
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Jun 4, 2013 14:31
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Hard NOP Life posted:When I'm done editing a section of code I usually want to go and jump to some other related class which I can do with a ctrl + left click. What options are there for doing that in something like vim? If there aren't then I think that feature breaks even with whatever text wizardry you're doing in vim. You use vim with a tags file. Ctrl+] on the function call or class name or whatever will open up the relevant file and line for editing. Ctrl+t takes you out one level when you are done editing. Extensions like Taglist will give a separate vim window with a list of available tag/object names and so on as well. Then there's extensions to integrate with your source control that will auto update your tags when you do things like staging a change for commit in git and so on. edit: Also, you can do :ta foo if you know the name of the function you want to go to already. Maybe I should just make a vim thread. We do already have an emacs one. astr0man fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Jun 4, 2013 14:34
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Jabor posted:If I could get the same vim-like keybindings in every IDE, I'd almost certainly stop using vim for code. I hear this all the time, and yet vim purists act like it's everyone else who can't adapt to unfamiliar things.
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Jun 4, 2013 17:40
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Except most modern vim/emacs users already transitioned from using an IDE, so that doesn't make much sense.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:16
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Dicky B posted:Except most modern vim/emacs users already transitioned from using an IDE, so that doesn't make much sense. That seems unlikely to me, but I admit I don't have any evidence to back this feeling up.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:17
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Novo posted:I hear this all the time, and yet vim purists act like it's everyone else who can't adapt to unfamiliar things. It's not that IDEs are unfamiliar (they're of course trivial), it's that they're obviously inferior. I definitely used to use IDEs and now do everything in Vim. vvv subjectively obviously inferior. And I'm only talking about the text editing seiken fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Jun 4, 2013 18:22
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seiken posted:it's that they're obviously inferior. This also seems unlikely to me.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:23
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Thermopyle posted:That seems unlikely to me, but I admit I don't have any evidence to back this feeling up.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:23
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Dicky B posted:All I have is anecdotal evidence but I have a hard time imagining somebody wanting to learn to program in TYOOL 2013 and thinking "OK, the first thing I need to do is learn how to use a text editor". Actually, I see that quite often because there's always people out there yelling about vim. Also, I would wager that most Learn How To Program tutorials start out with notepad or whatever. Of course, that depends on the language. Python tutorials will use a text editor, C# tutorials will not. I don't really know here...just speculating.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:27
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Another data point here. I started with NetBeans and eclipse then transitioned to the command line for everything but web browsing. I'll claim that it's because all the tools I need have command line versions and I can more easily automate something as a shell script, but I probably started using vim for nerd cred.
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Novo posted:I hear this all the time, and yet vim purists act like it's everyone else who can't adapt to unfamiliar things. My current IDE literally does not have options to move around in the code like vim provides by default. It's not a matter of I can't get used to it, it's that the IDE offers no support for the thing I wanted to do and I have to go without. As a trivial example, in vim * will search for the current word in the same file. Shift-F12 does something similar and comes up with every instance of that variable across the project, a half step up even. But vim also has %, which finds the matching brace for the one under the cursor, and VS simply doesn't have an equivalent.
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