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I actually got around to play this for once and this game is simply amazing, even out of the box. Paradox really cleaned up their act since the days of HoI and Victoria. I formed Scandinavia and even got all de jure counties in through basically waging war non-stop and raiding to soften up enemies, and it has been a blast. I am very powerful but a few mis-steps or backstabbing vassals could easily break everything apart into tiny pieces again. I also looked a bit into scripting and really like that you can change the game in quite deep ways without having to use some arcane modding tools that crash half of the time. I really do not understand the few people over at paradoxplaza claiming this game is just a simple map-painter without any depth. I think the secret to having fun is actually letting bad stuff happen to you and not just simply reload every time something goes wrong.
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rt4 posted:After looking in the wikis and the manual, I haven't been able to uncover how rank works. How can I become something bigger than an earl? You can send your Chancellor out to fabricate a claim on other counties. When he succeeds, it'll give you the option to press the claim or let it go. Pressing the claim costs money and prestige, but it's important, because now you have a valid CB -- you have a claim on that land! You can now call up its ruler and declare war. Win the war, get the county. Use the de jure duchies map mode to find out what counties make up the duchy you're in. Claim one of those. Repeat until you control 51% of them, and then create/usurp the duchy. Now you are a Duke. You can now ask any remaining earls to become your vassals or just conquer them ("I am your de jure liege" is always a valid CB). Now that you are a duke, work on claiming another duchy. And then another. Once you control 51% of the counties in a country, you can become King. It's all about going county by county until you can move up the ladder.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:35
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Is using the Ruler Designer akin to playing with Game Genie? I keep making ugly little hedonistic genius dwarf rulers which I can usually play to pretty great success, but I'm not sure if this is borderline cheating or what.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:46
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Pimpmust posted:Yeah, something like this: You could also allow only women of a certain martial skill or higher to lead armies/be marshal if you set martial=x to something in the allows field.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:52
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Gyshall posted:Is using the Ruler Designer akin to playing with Game Genie? I keep making ugly little hedonistic genius dwarf rulers which I can usually play to pretty great success, but I'm not sure if this is borderline cheating or what. I think it's entirely up to yourself. It's balanced enough that you can't easily create ~gods~, it helps give poor starts a little boost, and I find my custom guys tend to die in fairly short order anyway, so...
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Jun 4, 2013 18:59
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Has Paradox said anything about Gavelkind succession giving your capital province/duchy away to a second/third son? Is that working as intended? Kind of lame that my heir gets the kingdom but loses the capital province that I've been pumping resources into to upgrade buildings and tech. And then my second son immediately thinks he should be king and kicks my rear end because he inherited all my good poo poo.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:02
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Ludwig van Halen posted:Has Paradox said anything about Gavelkind succession giving your capital province/duchy away to a second/third son? Is that working as intended? The way I found to bypass the current Gavelkind was to grant all my other sons a duchy of their own and a country. This stopped them from inheriting the primarily holdings and you can give your primary heir a country within the duchy of your capital which means he will be able to inherit with 0 problems. You can kill them, of course. That always works.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:14
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I've been working on creating a theocracy with my Norse emperor. As the Fylkirate of Reformed Norse, it seemed like the thing to do. The problem I've run into is Kingdoms and Crown Authority. If I create a kingdom in my empire, counts living within its borders will ignore my crown authority and instead use the newly formed kingdom's minimal authority. Could someone explain to me why this happens? From what I can tell, mayors and priests who aren't direct vassals will still respect my crown authority. Why won't counts who aren't direct vassals? I've worked around this by destroying all kingdom titles I come across. I also can't grant kingdoms to my arch-priests. I'd like to consolidate power into King-Priests without losing half my levy. The Empire of Francia is a giant blob of Catholics that need to be destroyed. Raising armies from each county would be a logistical nightmare. The Francia armies vastly outnumber me, so all forces must be mobilized. I feel like I have two options: Revoking and destroying excess jarldoms and creating arch-priests with territory the size of kingdoms (and hoping my heir has me assassinated before my vassals revolt). Moding the game to make King-Priests a reality and to force kingdoms to follow their emperor's crown authority. Is the second one plausible? I just want to avoid telling 50 different armies to embark for the shores of Francia. Peace with the Catholics isn't an option.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:22
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Alternately for dealing with Gavelkind, you can not get married (or marry an older woman for stats/alliances) and produce all your heirs through concubines. As soon as you get a son, dismiss all of them. At any rate, Gavelkind clearly isn't working in a consistently sensible fashion, especially considering the new tech system. It's a real shame succession effects are hardcoded.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:28
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DrSunshine posted:You could also allow only women of a certain martial skill or higher to lead armies/be marshal if you set martial=x to something in the allows field. I'm experimenting with that right now. Something like: code:Women not allowed to be marshal unless they are The ruler, of any religious group Got the Possessed & zealot traits, or if they (and their liege) are of the Pagan religious Group. Then: The Pagan Group women be marshal, if they are: Married/related to the liege, or got one of either the good traits (or crazy) or high martial stat. I've probably hosed up the scripting something fierce 
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Jun 4, 2013 19:32
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Lunatic King died, obviously, but I think he might have given me a useful reminder. During the reign of Awesome King all my vassals loving loved me since they were either long-term Irish dukes or guys who I ennobled personally. I was playing on easy mode, with a perfect, stable realm. Now I'm back to "god drat it who's in that faction now, can I bribe them to knock it off" and "this guy's getting too big for his britches, when he rebels I need to strip his title" and general vassal management. Fun times. Like, making the calculation that Brittany is always going to be a problem because it's a goddamn one duchy kingdom, which gives that duke a huge power base. After I'm done crushing that guy's rebellion I'm taking it for myself, it's just too big a prize to leave in someone else's hands. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Jun 4, 2013 19:39
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 That's a random eunuch I got from one of the events as the lover of my concubine. I have no idea how this happened. I didn't even know that courtiers could even get lovers or any of those events.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:47
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Pimpmust posted:I've probably hosed up the scripting something fierce It looks alright at a glance. Though if you're going to post a script here, you should use code tags to preserve the indentation.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:49
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As much as I hate the Gavelkind handing out the best counties to 2nd/3rd sons, it's not such a big deal for the Norsemen at least. Simply using your 1-county conquest CB and giving the Temple to a useless son will take him out of succession. Sadly there are limits to giving your direct heir a temple, so usually if I'm not pleased with him I will let him be tutored by a high intrigue concubine that inst his mother.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:57
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Wow, just won an entire kingdom from my rear end in a top hat son, I died, and became my son. Cut my whole kingdom in half again.
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Jun 4, 2013 20:23
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Just had a good few centuries run through from the start date, and my god - the Norse viking aspect of it makes for some wonderful stories. At the start, my one county Norseman Gunnar I in Iceland raided the coasts of Ireland whilst the Great Heathen Army was distracting most of the British Isles, he made a good fortune out of it and managed to hire a merc company to help take the other half of Iceland. After that he continued raiding for pretty much the rest of his life, amassing a good amount of gold to spend on province improvements back home. When his son - Isleifur - inherits the two counties of Iceland, he immediately resumes raiding the Irish coasts - but then he has a brilliant idea, what if he just takes those counties instead? So, as a result over the next 40 years or so he devotes himself to securing the southern half of Ireland. Unfortunately, when Isleifur passes away, the Gavelkind laws split Isleifur's mini empire into three pieces - one half of southern Ireland to Yngvar, the other half to Tyrgg, and the whole of Iceland to the primary heir, Gunnar II. Immediately both brothers conspire behind the scenes and produce two revolts at once - Tyrgg wants just independence for his southern half of Iceland, whereas Yngvar wants the crown of Iceland for himself. Gunnar II was pretty pragmatic over the whole situation and first accepted Tyrgg's independence - recognizing that he had no capacity to fight both brothers at once - and declared war on Yngvar. However, before Gunnar could get any vikings over to Southern Ireland, the newly independent Tyrgg invaded Yngvar's half of Ireland and conquered it. Yngvar was placed in jail, and was immediately sacrificed to Odin. Yngvar's family then fled to Iceland, where Gunnar II promised to bring all of his children up as if they were his own. Long story short, Gunnar II decided to keep raiding for the rest of his life, while Tyrgg unified the rest of Ireland under his own banner. In years to come, the two branches of the 'Pvari' dynasty established themselves equally in two distinct lines on both Ireland and Iceland. Many years later, Gunnar's grandson led a successful prepared invasion of England and took it over - granting Iceland to his Nephew in the process. The Pvari were now mostly in control of the British Isles, with the descendants of Ragnar Lodbrok ruling Scotland in the North, while the cadet branch of the Pvari were still going strong in Ireland. Now I get to see how long the old Norse faith survives in Britain, seeing as its mostly been extinguished in Scandinavia - I feel it's gonna be a tough ride. 
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Jun 4, 2013 20:36
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Walliard posted:It looks alright at a glance. Though if you're going to post a script here, you should use code tags to preserve the indentation. Oh right, forgot the code tag thingy. Added, gonna try it out and see what crazy happens.
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Jun 4, 2013 20:52
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Pimpmust posted:Oh right, forgot the code tag thingy. Added, gonna try it out and see what crazy happens.
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Jun 4, 2013 20:57
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CapnAndy posted:Maybe take out the pregnancy disqualifier? Having your marshals drop out for nine months at random is going to cause nothing but trouble, especially with the dudes who you put in and then take out again when Marshal Joan has had her kid. Also it'd rule out the chance for an enterprising modder to write an event where a child born by a pregnant female army leader gets a special "Born on the Battlefield" trait. 
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Jun 4, 2013 20:59
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DrSunshine posted:Also it'd rule out the chance to write an event where a child born by a pregnant female army leader gets a special "Born on the Battlefield" trait. edit: I just noticed a logic bug -- you require possessed AND zealot in the AND-OR clause and then at the bottom, possessed is a qualifier all on its own. Pick one or the other; either you need to be possessed and a zealot, or possession alone is enough and zealotry doesn't matter. (I say go with the AND-OR) CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Jun 4, 2013 21:03
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Some good points. The Pregnancy thing would probably work better if you could have hidden traits (same for homosexual, when you think about it). The two different Possessed clauses are to seperate the two conditions, so a Christian female ruler would need both to be a leader (I also added a martial = 14 requirement), while a Pagan would only need the Possessed clause. Not sure if it works like that though. Hmm, but I seem to hit a little snag. I tried creating a female muslim countess-equivalent with weak and slow traits and she still led her armies when calling them up. Is it the Is_Ruler = Yes thing that simply skips everything else if fulfilled? Not entirely as planned. Something like this should probably work though code:Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Jun 4, 2013 21:12
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Pimpmust posted:Is it the Is_Ruler = Yes thing that simply skips everything else if fulfilled? Not entirely as planned. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Jun 4, 2013 21:15
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Pimpmust posted:Some good points. The Pregnancy thing would probably work better if you could have hidden traits (same for homosexual, when you think about it). Your weak/slow check only triggers for pagan group women. Muslims aren't pagans, so you just get "Is she a ruler or (posessed and zealot)". Just move that final NOT outside of the pagan group logic, so everyone's subjected to it. CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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If you're not gay yourself, you get a relatively minor opinion malus with them. I did wonder what the effects were if you are. On a related note, does anyone else feel that the delay between blots is too long? Nine years is a while when the nearest christian equivalent seems to be to the feast, which you can do every year, and especially when the effects of the blot (opinion bonus with vassals, increased morale) only lasts a single year.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:20
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Strudel Man posted:If you're not gay yourself, you get a relatively minor opinion malus with them. I did wonder what the effects were if you are. This loving game. They seem to think of everything. Strudel Man posted:On a related note, does anyone else feel that the delay between blots is too long? Nine years is a while when the nearest christian equivalent seems to be to the feast, which you can do every year, and especially when the effects of the blot (opinion bonus with vassals, increased morale) only lasts a single year. Yeah, I'd honestly wondered if there was some sort of MY VERSIMILITUDE explanation for that, or some weird conception of game balance. Blots are basically Feast++ and Norse are overpowered already, but on the other hand you have to be at peace to call one (which being Norse disincentivizes) and Norse are overpowered in the "taking territory" sense, not necessarily the "keeping vassals happy" sense, so I think nine years is probably a bit overkill. (or maybe I'm just creeped out by keeping my random neighbours in jail for eight years just in order to sacrifice the ones that survive.)
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Strudel Man posted:If you're not gay yourself, you get a relatively minor opinion malus with them. I did wonder what the effects were if you are. Well blots realistically only occurred every nine years. There really should be a normal feast option along with the blot.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:29
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Dallan Invictus posted:(or maybe I'm just creeped out by keeping my random neighbours in jail for eight years just in order to sacrifice the ones that survive.) I'm a terrible person that literally goes raiding for children to imprison every 9 years for my blots. 
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Dallan Invictus posted:This loving game. They seem to think of everything. A Tartan Tory posted:I'm a terrible person that literally goes raiding for children to imprison every 9 years for my blots. jb7 posted:Well blots realistically only occurred every nine years. There really should be a normal feast option along with the blot.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:31
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Strudel Man posted:Why children? You can't even execute children at blots, can you? No, but children don't seem to die a lot in dungeons for some reason, gives you more cattle...err people to sacrifice.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:32
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A Tartan Tory posted:I'm a terrible person that literally goes raiding for children to imprison every 9 years for my blots. Blots are the best way to deal with rebellious, captured vassals.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:34
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A Tartan Tory posted:No, but children don't seem to die a lot in dungeons for some reason, gives you more cattle...err people to sacrifice.
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Strudel Man posted:Man, I always have more people in my jail than I know what to do with, given the addition of capturing from castles. I actually modded in a minor decision to disable siege capturing, just for when I don't want to deal with the flood of prisoners anymore. I just like having prisoners in my dungeons, it makes me feel more important. For some reason, I think I would be a pretty terrible Dark Ages ruler.
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I always seem to capture lots of high ranking prisoners right after I've held a Blot and most of them die in prison before I can hold another one. Has anyone managed to sacrifice the Pope?
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Jun 4, 2013 21:36
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marktheando posted:Has anyone managed to sacrifice the Pope? Not a Pope, but I did manage a Caliph once.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:39
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Strudel Man posted:Well, to be honest, that's not exactly an obscure thing to think of addressing, given that the event only crops up in the first place if you have multiple gay vassals. You can sacrifice your own mother....so....
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Jun 4, 2013 21:40
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Schizotek posted:You can sacrifice your own mother....so.... And indeed, checking the event code, it does require that the person be 16.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:42
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Strudel Man posted:Well, to be honest, that's not exactly an obscure thing to think of addressing, given that the event only crops up in the first place if you have multiple gay vassals. True, but the cool little touches in this DLC keep piling up (the runestone traits are a particular favourite) and I'm feeling effusive today. quote:It probably wouldn't be that hard to put in an alternate version that skips right to the post-blot feast part, really. Yeah, this is probably the best answer since Norse can't do ordinary feasts.
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If Catholics need any kind of "super-decision" like the Blot, they should have the option to go on a Pilgrimage to a holy site like with Muslims and the Hajj. Is the Pilgrim trait used for anything yet or is it just sitting in the code? I've never seen it on any characters.
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I thought I was set when my king only had one son by the time he was 70 so I thought it wouldn't hurt to get married again. He had twin boys and a fourth boy a year later in his mid 70's  Is there a certain age you stop having kids? I was sure it would've been 70 at least.
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