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I have anglophone friends who can't speak French who work in Quebec. It's common in Montreal. Probably impossible in Northern Quebec where it starts to resemble Game of Thrones near the wall.
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Kintarooooo posted:I say, give the man a stack of queens (2,000$... that will cover a round-trip to anywhere in Canada not too small/cold/remote) and have the government fine Air Canada eight figures. Violating the terms of business is a slight against the government. "Here, let's buy your crown corporation, and oh yeah, phoque you" should never be tolerated from people exploiting our country's resources. What resources? Do you mean the planes they bought? Edit: That came off as snarky. Not that I don't agree I'm just trying to understand what you mean by 'our resources'. Team THEOLOGY fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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Jun 5, 2013 00:20
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Team THEOLOGY posted:What resources? Do you mean the planes they bought? The Air Canada brand and the federally protected environment it operates "freely" in. Having someone on board that is fluent enough in French is a pretty minor price in Canada to pay. If those executives disagree, they are free to buy those planes for a new airline.
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Jun 5, 2013 00:26
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ocrumsprug posted:The Air Canada brand and the federally protected environment it operates "freely" in. Having someone on board that is fluent enough in French is a pretty minor price in Canada to pay. If those executives disagree, they are free to buy those planes for a new airline. When you say federally protected I assume you are talking about back on the day when they had a monopoly in air traffic in Canada? Since the don't anymore I guess it's just a belief that there should continuation of that policy minus the benefits? I understand what your saying but it sort of seems like the carrot is being bitten at both ends then?
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Jun 5, 2013 00:31
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^^: Air Canada management also seems to have some advantages when it comes to getting the Labour Minister to impose contracts on their workers.Team THEOLOGY posted:When you say federally protected I assume you are talking about back in the day when they had a monopoly in air traffic in Canada? Are you going to try to tell me that Air Canada operates in a barrier free market? I seem to recall that we have some sort of diplomatic dispute with the UAE that is probably unrelated to protecting Air Canada from competition. ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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Jun 5, 2013 00:40
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Team THEOLOGY posted:What resources? Do you mean the planes they bought? I'm pretty sure that having the planes, the routes and flight codes, and having survived both regulation and recession hells, along with the brand recognition makes it just as valuable as a couple of barrels of oil. We can debate the specifics if you feel the employees are worth a drat or not, or if it's just better to fly Transat or Corsair to GTFO of the country for a while... but until the regulatory framework is opened up to outside competiton (Etihad airlines, now flying YYZ-YVR), there will always be value in gutting a crown corporation (except if obsolescence kills it, like Canada Post).
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Jun 5, 2013 00:55
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The NDP response to Quebec banning turbans and headscarves from soccer is...interesting: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/feds-to-quebec-soccer-officials-let-the-children-with-turbans-play-210136331.html?device=mobile What good is a progressive party that can't come out against kids being barred from playing sports because of hateful intolerance?
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Jun 5, 2013 01:07
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I don't understand that whatsoever. Like, is there a sports-reason that wearing a turban would be problematic? Creeps me out to agree with Vic Toews on something.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:14
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mr. unhsib posted:The NDP response to Quebec banning turbans and headscarves from soccer is...interesting: gently caress the NDP right now. No excuse for this.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:21
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No it's definitely odd. FIFA provisionally *does* allow headscarves, although they've stayed away from explicitly commenting on turbans one way or another. Soccer Canada (as incompetent a Federal agency as you're likely to find) issued a directive allowing turbans that every province save Quebec has adopted. Like what the gently caress kind of PR policy allows public statements like this: quote:Brigitte Frot, the director-general of the provincial group, was asked what she would tell a five-year-old boy in a turban who shows up to register to play soccer with his friends. She replied: “They can play in their backyard. But not with official referees, not in the official rules of soccer. They have no choice.” Jesus loving Christ, Quebec.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:22
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Am I loving crazy or do you actually wear a helmet playing soccer? I thought they meant american foodball, but no, they say "soccer". I've never seen anyone playing soccer in any sort of a helmet or gear. You wear shorts and a t-shirt, that's about it.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:27
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No, you don't.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:28
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Baronjutter posted:Am I loving crazy or do you actually wear a helmet playing soccer? I thought they meant american foodball, but no, they say "soccer". I've never seen anyone playing soccer in any sort of a helmet or gear. You wear shorts and a t-shirt, that's about it. Of course you don't wear a helmet. There's no reason here but pure uncut Quebecois racism, and as usual the federal NDP are pandering their hardest.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:28
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Does it have to be Quebecois racism? Can it just be normal racism, from someone at the soccer federation?
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Jun 5, 2013 01:29
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Well, it's the Quebec soccer federation, so no I don't think it's unfair in the slightest to call it Quebecois.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:31
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Is it racism or are they trying to out-secularize everyone? It's still dumb either way.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:32
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Reminder before we all end up on a tangent about QUEBEC BAD (again): Racism is racism anywhere, not just in Quebec. It is loving insane that they won't let a kid play on account of his headgear.priznat posted:Is it racism or are they trying to out-secularize everyone? This is probably the most interesting question that merits inquiry. Personally, I feel the latter is the mask of the former.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:34
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Well if it's anything like the discussions about denying about denying women wearing a niqab government services that cropped up last year, It's the former in the guise of the latter. Edit - Wow that was one weird coincidence.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:34
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:I have anglophone friends who can't speak French who work in Quebec. It's common in Montreal. Probably impossible in Northern Quebec where it starts to resemble Game of Thrones near the wall. Its *very* difficult, 90% of the jobs in my field require it to varying degrees (Computer Science/IT). Dishwashing and most artist jobs seem to generally not require it from what I've seen.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:34
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mr. unhsib posted:Well, it's the Quebec soccer federation, so no I don't think it's unfair in the slightest to call it Quebecois. I guess I'm to blame, as are all Quebecois, for electing that person as head of our soccer federation. FYI, the decision is being decried in our newspapers, too.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:34
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JayMax posted:I guess I'm to blame, as are all Quebecois, for electing that person as head of our soccer federation. I guess there's a lot of nuance to the way one can interpret Quebecois. In either language.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:36
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Ceciltron posted:This is probably the most interesting question that merits inquiry. Personally, I feel the latter is the mask of the former. I've looked into it, and it turns out that there's a crucifix hanging over the Assemblée Nationale speaker. It's racism!
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Jun 5, 2013 01:36
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Ceciltron posted:Reminder before we all end up on a tangent about QUEBEC BAD (again): Racism is racism anywhere, not just in Quebec. It is loving insane that they won't let a kid play on account of his headgear. I agree with this and we're getting a bit sidetracked. To me, the bigger story is the NDP response.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:37
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Have any of the other parties commented yet? I can't wait to see everyone try to out-neutral each other.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:43
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Ceciltron posted:Have any of the other parties commented yet? I can't wait to see everyone try to out-neutral each other. The other two parties have taken a firm position in favour of letting children play soccer.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:44
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Ceciltron posted:Have any of the other parties commented yet? I can't wait to see everyone try to out-neutral each other. Yeah according to that Article both the Liberals and the Conservatives responded by saying there should be no ban on turbans in soccer.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:44
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Ceciltron posted:Have any of the other parties commented yet? I can't wait to see everyone try to out-neutral each other. As weak-kneed as Canadian politics has become, generally most can get on board with "kids playing sports". Vic Toews: “Telling 5 year old kids they can’t play soccer because of bogus safety excuses is not acceptable in any province,” Bal Gosal: “We believe that amateur sports like soccer should encourage the participation of children rather than exclude them. We see no valid reason why kids should be banned from playing soccer because of their religion.” Jason Kenney (who was oddly quiet about the issue last time this happened in Quebec, at a gymnastics competition): "A sport such as soccer should encourage children to participate, and not exclude them because of their religious traditions” Justin Trudeau: "“Wearing a turban shouldn’t stop you from playing soccer or participating fully in any other activity” The NDP have carefully thought out their position here. It's abhorrent.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:46
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Maybe if they wore a turban of equal or larger size in french?
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Jun 5, 2013 01:48
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Who from the NDP actually spoke out against this and what did they actually say? I don't see any actual quotes or names in the article. Also who exactly is Brigitte Frot, she does not exist in Wikipedia, and this story is obscuring whatever government page she might be listed on in google.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:56
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Mr. Wynand posted:Who from the NDP actually spoke out against this and what did they actually say? I don't see any actual quotes or names in the article. Also who exactly is Brigitte Frot, she does not exist in Wikipedia, and this story is obscuring whatever government page she might be listed on in google.
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Mr. Wynand posted:Who from the NDP actually spoke out against this and what did they actually say? I don't see any actual quotes or names in the article. Also who exactly is Brigitte Frot, she does not exist in Wikipedia, and this story is obscuring whatever government page she might be listed on in google. Matt Dubé, sports critic. He's "clarified" his position since on Twitter: "Clarification: While we want FIFA to justify ban, the important is for youth to play. We said that in our letter to them MONTHS ago."
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Jun 5, 2013 02:01
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lonelywurm posted:Brigitte Frot is the director general of the Québec Soccer Federation. Is she appointed by the Premier or...? I guess what I'm asking is, did she have anything to do with the NDP, she definitely had the most despicable quote in the article....
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Jun 5, 2013 02:01
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They did try and ban small crosses worn around the neck for government employees too, so at least it's equal-opportunity intolerance.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Matt Dubé, sports critic. He's "clarified" his position since on Twitter: How is he the quote for the federal NDP? Is he Her Majesty's Opposition's Sports Critic? Is he also an MP? What am I missing here?
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Jun 5, 2013 02:03
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Mr. Wynand posted:How is he the quote for the federal NDP? Is he Her Majesty's Opposition's Sports Critic? Is he also an MP? What am I missing here? MP for Chambly. Critic for Sports for Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. Mostly a "look, we're giving responsibilities to our young MPs!" thing. The Québec Soccer Federation is not a governmental agency. The federal government can't do anything about this.
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Baloogan posted:Maybe if they wore a turban of equal or larger size in french?  For content, anyone read Thomas Schnurmacher? On the one hand I agree with the positions in the book ("Canada is not a real country") but I find the way he says makes me uncomfortable, like a Canadian Orson Scott Card in the way he attributes ill-intent intent to people he doesn't like.
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Mr. Wynand posted:How is he the quote for the federal NDP? Is he Her Majesty's Opposition's Sports Critic? Is he also an MP? What am I missing here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Dub%C3%A9 (yes, he's an MP, yes he's the NDP sports critic, but he was one of the candidates the NDP plucked out of McGill in 2011 so missing who he is is likely understandable.)
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Jun 5, 2013 02:07
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Matthew Dubé is an MP, but he's one of those kids from McGIll that fluked their way into getting elected in 2011.
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mr. unhsib posted:Matthew Dubé is an MP, but he's one of those kids from McGIll that fluked their way into getting elected in 2011. And isn't that awesome!? Anyone can be a MP if they really want to. 
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In surprising news, here's a story on good urban planning:quote:“The idea of counter-culture artists and ultraorthodox Hasidim occupying the same building is kind of a new thing,” Plateau city councillor Alex Norris said. “And we like the idea because it brings diverse strains of the community together in the same setting.” http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Finding+common+ground+Mile+building/8473380/story.html
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