|
I honestly don't buy that map. I live in Austin and the only real threats are tornadoes, and they're not especially bad around here. I'm from Houston and yeah, flooding and hurricanes are a real problem, but honestly a big quake in California seems like it could do a lot more damage. It seems like they rate tornadoes ten times worse than all other disasters, which is weird because they're really no at all.
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 14:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 19:03 |
|
|
GaussianCopula posted:How are the risks weight? The danger of a drought is probably not as bad for the normal, non-farmer, then say a major earthquake. Probably yearly fatalities/property damage or else Boise and the cities in Nevada wouldn't be quite as safe.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 14:06
|
|
|
a bad enough dude posted:I honestly don't buy that map. I live in Austin and the only real threats are tornadoes, and they're not especially bad around here. I'm from Houston and yeah, flooding and hurricanes are a real problem, but honestly a big quake in California seems like it could do a lot more damage. Tornados are really bad if you get hit directly, but if they just go down the other side of the street, you can be fine. It's a little frightening how arbitrary they are.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 14:10
|
|
|
a bad enough dude posted:I honestly don't buy that map. I live in Austin and the only real threats are tornadoes, and they're not especially bad around here. I'm from Houston and yeah, flooding and hurricanes are a real problem, but honestly a big quake in California seems like it could do a lot more damage. Every day all summer is a disaster in Texas. Edit: http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/disasters-by-type.aspx Bip Roberts fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jun 7, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 14:39
|
|
|
stereobreadsticks posted:This one's labeled "Surviving Folk Culture Regions." Presumably this has to do with folklore, cuisine, dialect, and other similar things and it would be interesting to get more detail on the map, especially concerning why the unshaded areas supposedly don't have their own folk culture, but unfortunately it was presented more or less without comment. They're not the only cultural group, though. German mennonites are a big one too. But I can definitely understand why the map-maker called it a folk-culture region.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 15:07
|
|
|
computer parts posted:Just saw this from my friend on Facebook: Also:  Clearly god is trying to send us a message.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 15:09
|
|
|
KernelSlanders posted:Also: You get clobbered with enough disasters, you start to believe in god?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 15:14
|
|
|
lonelywurm posted:I can sort of help in regards to one of the folk culture regions. The blob of purple straddling central Manitoba/Saskatchewan in Canada is where my family's from, and it's very strongly Ukrainian, with no shortage of Poles and Russians as well. And it does show: my mum grew up speaking Canadian Ukrainian (and we're not Ukrainian - she picked it up from the community as a whole, in spite of her parents speaking exclusively English); the tradition of pain-stakingly painting pysanky was taken very seriously, the town has significant congregations in both the Ukrainian Catholic and Ukrainian Orthodox churches, and most of the food you'll find at town fairs are based somewhere on slavic cuisine - even in my family, which was Anglo-Irish, borsch was very, very common at meal-times. Which area/city was this? Sounds like an interesting cultural phenomenon. prefect posted:You get clobbered with enough disasters, you start to believe in god? I'm a little surprised that even in places like Vermont it's still more than 25% of the population.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 15:28
|
|
Phlegmish posted:At this rate, 600K would only last them a decade at most. Current demographic trends aren't set in stone, though. I can see Eastern European fertility rates going back up in the near future, which is what happened for native Western Europeans in the past two decades (except Germans). Still lower than the replacement rate, but enough to stave off complete demographic collapse. Another potential explanation for Germany not seeing fertility rates rise is that eastern Germans have maintained fertility levels of an Eastern European country. Considering that eastern Germany is more in line with Eastern Europe in terms of economic development, and the fact that like most Eastern European countries, eastern Germany has very few immigrants (who tend to have more children) it's not hard to see why Germany doesn't doesn't have Western European fertility rates.
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 16:28
|
|
|
Most women also leave Eastern Germany for the western parts.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 16:35
|
|
|
KernelSlanders posted:Also: we'll trade you utah for illinois, straight up
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 16:40
|
|
|
Meme Emulator posted:
I heard it referenced one time in a song that I totally didn't understand until now. (warning: no map content) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDagcLpJgY
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 16:47
|
|
|
Phlegmish posted:Which area/city was this? Sounds like an interesting cultural phenomenon. Like with everything else, part of the distinctiveness has been lost since my mum was young (late 60s, early 70s), but it's still not gone. The 2006 census for the town and surrounding regional municipality shows 3-4% of the population still speak Ukrainian as their mother tongue, and 35-40% speak it as a second language - which is higher than the number of people self-identifying as being of Ukrainian ancestry, suggesting at least some non-Ukrainians still end up speaking at least some Ukrainian.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 16:55
|
|
|
computer parts posted:Just saw this from my friend on Facebook:
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 17:13
|
|
|
GaussianCopula posted:How are the risks weight? The danger of a drought is probably not as bad for the normal, non-farmer, then say a major earthquake. Why would you think this? The effects of drought are wide-spread and really bad. It causes wildfires that will spread over hundreds of miles, burning everything in their path. In areas that aren't at risk of massive wildfires, drought still causes long-term damage to structures as the foundations shift and settle in soil that's far more dry than what the builders anticipated. There are massive dieoffs of marine life as ponds and small lakes completely dry up and large lakes have the water level drop by over 10 feet. There's a lot more to severe drought than suburbanites being unable to water their lawns during the day, which for some reason people around here always use as a demonstration of that drat liberal heavyhanded government. Nearly 3,000 homes in an area of almost 4 million acres were destroyed in the 2011 Texas wildfires. Preem Palver fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jun 7, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 17:33
|
|
|
a bad enough dude posted:I honestly don't buy that map. I live in Austin and the only real threats are tornadoes, and they're not especially bad around here. I'm from Houston and yeah, flooding and hurricanes are a real problem, but honestly a big quake in California seems like it could do a lot more damage. I grew up in California, and we laugh at you flyover people who fear earthquakes. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 17:50
|
|
Riso posted:Most women also leave Eastern Germany for the western parts. But those are the better educated one, who have have less children on average. It will be interesting to see how the economic situation in the EU will lead to more migration on a nation level, because this would be needed to balance the job-numbers, but both sides dont like it very much. The countries that are targets for migration because their population does not want to compete with new members of the workforce and the source countries because they fear the young and well educated are leaving the country.
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 18:15
|
|
|
duodenum posted:I grew up in California, and we laugh at you flyover people who fear earthquakes.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 18:36
|
|
|
The definition of risk is cost x probability of occurrence, where cost is in lives or dollars and the probability of occurrence is usually annual. Severe weather happens a lot more frequently than major earthquakes even though a single earthquake may have a greater cost than a single weather event.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 18:40
|
|
|
stereobreadsticks posted:Also interesting that there is apparently a huge concentration of ethnic islands in the Midwest In rural Iowa where I grew up, most counties will have a principle city that serves as county seat and has a population of at least a few thousand, and then a number of small towns surrounding it that have only a few hundred residents. Those smaller communities tend to be totally ethnically homogeneous, generally German although some counties are have Dutch or Scandinavian, and as a result they're referred to as "colonies". The people tend to be descended from the original colonists, to the point that we used to make fun of them in high school--if they didn't check with their parents they could easily date a cousin by mistake. I think the best known of these are the Amana Colonies, which were founded in Eastern Iowa by German pietists in the 1840s. Most of the colonies weren't founded for religious reasons, though. It was just that industrialization and political upheaval in Central and Northern Europe drove emigration, which mostly ended up in the United States. The American Midwest was just beginning to be settled at the time, so when the immigrants got to the USA that area had a lot of freely available farmland while still being relatively accessible, hence the ethnic islands.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 18:50
|
|
|
Vincent Van Goatse posted:I've never heard anyone refer to soft drinks as "tonic" except maybe ads from the 1890s. Are you sure they didn't mean tonic water? Elim Garak posted:Positive. To give some more information, it was my fathers side of the family, they grew up lower middle class in Waltham, MA. My grandfather was a marine in the Pacific theater in WWII, so maybe it came from there, but I tend to think not since my dad still occasionally said tonic into the early 90's. I'd think if it was something his peers weren't saying as a kid he would have dropped it. His father, sister and her children all said it at least until '94 or '95 when my grandfather died and a rift in the family prevented me from observing the evolution of the vernacular. But yeah, it was definitely all fizzy soft drinks. Tonic is most definitely a Boston-area thing, though it's largely fallen out of favor. It's still my born-and-raised-in-Somerville mother's go-to word for soda
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 19:24
|
|
|
computer parts posted:Just saw this from my friend on Facebook: You can get the full rankings here.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 20:03
|
|
|
Meme Emulator posted:
This is seriously the most shocking thing in this entire thread to me. I had no idea that "sunshower" was a regional term.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 20:22
|
|
|
stereobreadsticks posted:
Is it really saying that? To me it's saying that those areas contain a fusion of surrounding cultures or an indistinct dominant culture. Hence regions like Pennslytuckey existing but not being anything like some of the other rural expanses where a bunch of dweeby English people decided to settle and birth a lineage of boring jerks aside from politics and nascar. Depends I guess on whether midlands is being used as a proper names or a descriptor Real hurthling! fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jun 7, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 21:09
|
|
|
I wonder what the difference is between midland and 19th-century european?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 21:14
|
|
|
computer parts posted:Just saw this from my friend on Facebook: The safest places in the US are also the only places located near volcanoes...
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 21:24
|
|
|
computer parts posted:Just saw this from my friend on Facebook: This isn't a very good map. What are the metrics they use? As people have pointed out, it's not like Washington doesn't have seismic and volcanic activity on its own... Santa Fe and Farmington, NM are prone to drought and wildfires (more Santa Fe for the latter), and, for whatever reason, Milwaukee is moderate hazard while Sheboygan, one hour north, is low hazard?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 21:37
|
|
|
The spreadsheet says he uses these categories: Hurricanes Tornados Earthquakes Hail Wind Drought Floods Daily precipitaion greater than 1/2 inch Daily snowfall greater than 5 inches Temperatures below 0 deg F Temperatures below 32 deg F Temperatures above 90 deg F But he doesn't say how or if he weighs them in a certain way. I feel that the all of the categories after floods barely even need to be taken into consideration. Most cities that experience frequent high rains, snowfall or extreme temperatures have things in place to offset these risk. Plus, those sorts of risks are much more predictable than earthquakes, tornadoes, or long term droughts.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2013 22:04
|
|
|
Key word: Cities. Not everyone lives in a city, some of us still live out in the rear end end of nowhere where things like extreme temperatures or precipitation can still be dangerous at relatively low levels.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 01:26
|
|
|
GaussianCopula posted:How are the risks weight? The danger of a drought is probably not as bad for the normal, non-farmer, then say a major earthquake. Droughts can also, depending on the region and the severity of the drought, become a danger to local residential/commercial water supplies. I know in Maryland we had several summers out of the last 15 where water was rationed in the suburbs because the reservoirs were getting visibly lower and lower.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 03:47
|
|
|
Captain Frigate posted:The source for those maps: http://spark-1590165977.us-west-2.elb.amazonaws.com/jkatz/SurveyMaps/ 
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 04:22
|
|
|
withak posted:I wonder what the difference is between midland and 19th-century european? I'm guessing "midland" refers to places settled primarily by the descendents of Scotch-Irish settlers who arrived settled in the Appalachians in starting in the 18th century, while "19th-century European" refers to areas with a settlement pattern similar to what EvanSchenck described in his post, with pockets of people from various non-British northern European cultures like Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns, etc.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 04:47
|
|
|
I wonder how different this would be now, there is a concentrated effort here to change the Devil's Night thing for at least the past 10 years.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 05:04
|
|
|
Interesting that both New Jersey and southwestern Connecticut call it "mischief night" but apparently NYC doesn't.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 05:05
|
|
|
Muscle Tracer posted:Droughts can also, depending on the region and the severity of the drought, become a danger to local residential/commercial water supplies. I know in Maryland we had several summers out of the last 15 where water was rationed in the suburbs because the reservoirs were getting visibly lower and lower. Suburbians not being able to refill their swimming pools and having their golf courses turn a little browned is not exactly dangerous. I think droughts are mainly dangerous in that they can lead to wildfires, which I'm actually surprised would not be included in these metrics. Wildfires can be legitimately dangerous. Living in coastal California I can see how by those metrics it would seem pretty safe but earthquakes and frequent wildfires are nothing to sneeze at, although the chances of dying in them are quite low. In that link someone posted ( http://www.prb.org/Articles/2011/disasters-by-type.aspx ) I was somewhat surprised that lightning makes up over ten percent of deaths by disaster. I guess its not that surprising the pacific coast is rated so safe because in general it has little to none of the first six things on that list. Play fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jun 8, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 06:48
|
|
|
Play posted:Suburbians not being able to refill their swimming pools and having their golf courses turn a little browned is not exactly dangerous. I think droughts are mainly dangerous in that they can lead to wildfires, which I'm actually surprised would not be included in these metrics. Wildfires can be legitimately dangerous. I think earthquakes and wildfires still kill a lot fewer people than heat waves and tornados.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 06:54
|
|
|
Dusseldorf posted:I think earthquakes and wildfires still kill a lot fewer people than heat waves and tornados. Well according to that link you'd be completely right.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 08:17
|
|
|
I don't want to harp on Hungary any more, but I found this map kinda funny. I like how they didn't include Austria or the Ottoman Empire. Kainser fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 8, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 14:48
|
|
|
withak posted:The definition of risk is cost x probability of occurrence, where cost is in lives or dollars and the probability of occurrence is usually annual. Severe weather happens a lot more frequently than major earthquakes even though a single earthquake may have a greater cost than a single weather event. That's why our response to 9/11 was completely overblown.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 15:04
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 19:03 |
|
|
Play posted:Suburbians not being able to refill their swimming pools and having their golf courses turn a little browned is not exactly dangerous. Not being able to drink water because your faucet is running dry is, though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2013 18:05
|
|