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Posting art from the Kickstarter is kosher right? What can the harvest hope for, if not the care of the reaper?
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Man, Dorothy looks pissed.
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Jun 8, 2013 14:43
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Now how 'bout y'all click your heels together three times and get off my lawn.
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Jun 8, 2013 15:28
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Attorney at Funk posted:Really most of the things I'd point to as missteps of the current developers are areas where they haven't been smugly confident enough that they could do better. This is exactly how I feel. Where the team's been timid or cagey about either the fanbase or the old rules, the game has looked lamer for it.
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Jun 8, 2013 15:42
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Kickstarter finished. Final total 4,368 backers, $684,755 in pledges.
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Jun 8, 2013 17:01
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Thesaurasaurus posted:Kickstarter finished. Final total 4,368 backers, $684,755 in pledges. That is a whole heck of a lot of money.
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Jun 8, 2013 17:09
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Attorney at Funk posted:Man, Dorothy looks pissed. Yeah I'm not sure about her dress with the whole antiquity thing. But its still a bad rear end image.
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Jun 8, 2013 17:30
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Mexcillent posted:Yeah I'm not sure about her dress with the whole antiquity thing. I like it a lot. I think it underscores the 'kitchen sink' aesthetic of Creation. You can have pretty much any sort of dress, somewhere.
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Jun 8, 2013 17:37
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Mendrian posted:I like it a lot. I think it underscores the 'kitchen sink' aesthetic of Creation. You can have pretty much any sort of dress, somewhere. That's all well and good, but I'm not buying that sort of outfit on Strawmaiden Janest, from all we know of her. That's not a farmer's outfit, much less a farmer-warrior who is taken by priests and augurs to be a badass farmer and warrior. I'd be completely fine with it on someone else. This is the character with a body "toned and hardened by a life in the fields", which just doesn't go with the costume. Nonetheless, it's a very, very cool image.
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Jun 8, 2013 17:49
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Ever read a Little House book? Women wore skirts, still busted rear end on the farm.
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Jun 8, 2013 17:58
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Attorney at Funk posted:Man, Dorothy looks pissed. A_Raving_Loon posted:Now how 'bout y'all click your heels together three times and get off my lawn. I thought something similar but gently caress you two are making me fall out of my chair laughing. Also the dress does look a bit fancy for it with the underskirts and all but they definitely captured the 17-1800s farmgirl aesthetic with it. I love the pic, she looks doomed but at the same time not hopeless as she stands in front of a roiling army literally trailing their own stormclouds.
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Jun 8, 2013 18:02
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mistaya posted:Ever read a Little House book? Women wore skirts, still busted rear end on the farm. 
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Jun 8, 2013 18:02
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mistaya posted:Ever read a Little House book? Women wore skirts, still busted rear end on the farm. Yup, you're right, I shouldn't have said 'that's not a farmer's outfit', because I definitely didn't mean it that way. Women in basically every situation in the world wore whatever the hell women wore at that time and place, and still busted their rear end on the farm. Still doesn't feel right for a warrior-cultist of a harvest god in a world meant more to evoke antiquity and not the Dust Bowl to be wearing that. Just an aesthetic feeling.
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Jun 8, 2013 18:03
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No no, you see, pants. Pants all the time. No silly dresses. Just pants.
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Jun 8, 2013 18:08
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Excelsiortothemax posted:No no, you see, pants. Pants all the time. No silly dresses. Just pants. Well, I was thinking more in the style of what Ernalda is depicted as wearing in King of Dragon Pass (maybe sans the big cape).  It was actually sort of how I was envisioning Strawmaiden Janest the whole time, so I wasn't going to be completely satisfied with the actual art anyway.
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Jun 8, 2013 18:12
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Holy poo poo. That picture is amazeballs. Bonus points for her being fully dressed, too. Man, I don't even give a crap if she looks like Dorthy Gale. I hope all the art is like this.
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Jun 8, 2013 19:10
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gently caress I'm very happy they decided to make them more diverse looking than ~elementally themed beautiful elf creatures.~
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Jun 8, 2013 19:42
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I don't know about kitchen-sink aesthetic for a game ostensibly set in a technological equivalent to the Bronze Age. Like the coat and prairie skirt are pretty nineteenth century. But that's a minor, minor, minor complaint because Janest is awesome. e: If she shows up in my games she'll probably be dressed more like this: 
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Jun 8, 2013 19:46
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I'm thinking more and more about the 'bronze age' thing to be kind of misleading and just go at whatever low-tech level that you want things to be at, goddamnit. Also, that picture was pretty amazing. I, too, imagined her wearing something like Ernalda would, but, this works fine too.
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Jun 8, 2013 20:08
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GreenMetalSun posted:Bonus points for her being fully dressed, too. Man, I don't even give a crap if she looks like Dorthy Gale. I will bet you dollars to donuts that her clothing is intentionally done that way. It looks too deliberate. (Also now I'm going to think of her scythe as Toto.) quote:I hope all the art is like this. Agreed.
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Jun 8, 2013 21:19
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thatbastardken posted:Posting art from the Kickstarter is kosher right? Oh wow. Why wasn't this image #1 for the kickstarter?
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Jun 8, 2013 23:20
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xiw posted:Oh wow. Why wasn't this image #1 for the kickstarter? Most likely? It wasn't done yet.
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Jun 8, 2013 23:27
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realbrickwall posted:The Garden of Earthly Delights is a pretty cool adventure hook. If the 3e Infernals don't have something better, I'll probably just steal that if it ever comes up. Thanks. I wanted to include at least the possibility of a "redeem them as Solars" hook for people that like that sort of thing, but I wanted to keep it distinct and different from Abyssals with their brooding, introspective soul-searching thing. Somehow it seemed appropriate that if redeeming a Deathknight is a deeply personal exploration of the psyche and of love, loss, and Oblivion, then redeeming the Green Sun Princes is a balls-out crazy jailbreak where you crash a behemoth through the gates of a living prison, kick Zeno's Paradox in the gribblies, and set off a literal truth bomb to blow the whole thing sky high. In slow motion. With Slayer playing in the background. Basically what I'm saying is that if Abyssals are the Cure, Infernals are the radioactive love child of the Clash, Ziggy Stardust, and Ronnie James Dio.
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Jun 8, 2013 23:53
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Has the voting been done for the last Martial Art yet?
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Jun 9, 2013 01:17
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The White Wolf forums have decided again that Asskicker Dorothy is terrible, and have also concluded that she loses all her powers if she ever leaves that field. I dunno if you guys have noticed this, but those are some stupid motherfuckers.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:36
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These fields are not for pillage, fair folk! They are for sowing, and harvesting.
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Dammit Who? posted:The White Wolf forums have decided again that Asskicker Dorothy is terrible, and have also concluded that she loses all her powers if she ever leaves that field. I dunno if you guys have noticed this, but those are some stupid motherfuckers. If a strawmaiden defending her fields - empowered by her God and the Unconquered Sun, with a great and mighty god-scythe and a pure heart - is able to fight against desperate odds and come out victorious against a Fair Folk raid, it ruins Exalted forever.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:42
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Ferrinus posted:These fields are not for pillage, fair folk! They are for sowing, and harvesting. This is never going to end, is it? Never. Dammit Who? posted:The White Wolf forums have decided again that Asskicker Dorothy is terrible, and have also concluded that she loses all her powers if she ever leaves that field. I dunno if you guys have noticed this, but those are some stupid motherfuckers. Wait what the gently caress? You have got to post the choiciest bits of this 'discussion'.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:42
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Dammit Who? posted:The White Wolf forums have decided again that Asskicker Dorothy is terrible, and have also concluded that she loses all her powers if she ever leaves that field. I dunno if you guys have noticed this, but those are some stupid motherfuckers. Sometimes I post cool ideas there to see how hilariously dumb the objections are. I said "I want Abyssals to be the Exalted of destroying whatever powerful institutions and people have wronged them and spreading the spoils amongst the citizenry." A dude was seriously like "How does that involve any caste other than Dusk?" I wanted to throw Leverage DVDs at him like Chakrams. BryanChavez posted:If a strawmaiden defending her fields - empowered by her God and the Unconquered Sun, with a great and mighty god-scythe and a pure heart - is able to fight against desperate odds and come out victorious against a Fair Folk raid, it ruins Exalted forever. Strawmaiden Janest's optimality ruins Raksha protagonism. I wonder if Stephenls knows about this.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:44
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BryanChavez posted:If a strawmaiden defending her fields - empowered by her God and the Unconquered Sun, with a great and mighty god-scythe and a pure heart - is able to fight against desperate odds and come out victorious against a Fair Folk raid, it ruins Exalted forever. Not at all. It's only ruined forever if a Solar Exalt in the same position couldn't achieve the same victory at least minutely more efficaciously. Now, imagine yourself chuckling politely at my apparent joke but quieting nervously as you notice my intense and unblinking stare.
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Ferrinus posted:Not at all. It's only ruined forever if a Solar Exalt in the same position couldn't achieve the same victory at least minutely more efficaciously. Now, imagine yourself chuckling politely at my apparent joke but quieting nervously as you notice my intense and unblinking stare. That was actually one of the weirdest disconnects when I read that thread, because there were people who were like, "If a new Solar took on that horde, they would be wiped out." And it stunned me, because I sort of imagined that 'held off a Fair Folk raid' was a hell of a story for an Exaltation. Dragon-Blooded, Lunar, Solar, Exigent, whatever. That seems like one of the most basic 'this is why I was Chosen' stories you can tell. And yes, the Solar can do it for one mote less.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:49
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MiltonSlavemasta posted:Strawmaiden Janest's optimality ruins Raksha protagonism. I wonder if Stephenls knows about this. Hey, I shared my take, and I'll repeat it here: The nobles look at her and go "Okay, she looks like bad news. Let's send a couple of hobgoblins and silverwights to see what she's capable of." She threshes them. Nobles decide a ravaging party with the express purpose of gathering resources to feed their army is probably going to lose more than they gain from this outing -- Like, they could win. They could win well. But they'd lose by winning. Their forces would be reduced. Also, in addition to that, she's too interesting a nemesis to just steamroll. Best to play with her for a bit, crush her will, maybe enslave or enthrall her. Make sport of her, basically. They proclaim some bullshit about being impressed, then retreat and lurk in the area launching smaller midnight raids around the surrounding communities for a while. Next six months are really interesting.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:49
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Stephenls posted:Next six months are really interesting. Now that's definitely a situation that a wandering group of god-heroes might come upon and think, "Let's stop here and kill some raksha with this totally cool Chosen of the Harvest." Somewhat better than tripping over her corpse and seeing a hollowed-out village and going, "Well, nothing to do here."
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BryanChavez posted:That was actually one of the weirdest disconnects when I read that thread, because there were people who were like, "If a new Solar took on that horde, they would be wiped out." And it stunned me, because I sort of imagined that 'held off a Fair Folk raid' was a hell of a story for an Exaltation. Dragon-Blooded, Lunar, Solar, Exigent, whatever. That seems like one of the most basic 'this is why I was Chosen' stories you can tell. I think that a large part of the issue is that many posters literally cannot comprehend a battle-grouping that works in a way other than them swarming Janest with optimal tactics and fighting until every last one of them is dead. Maybe a horde of losers get sent out and cut down first, then the Raksha Boss sends three giants and once one is down he's like "This pissant village isn't even worth my time! Withdraw!" or some villain poo poo like that and he becomes a recurring nemesis. Like, a newly Exalted Janest or Solar doesn't need to let themselves get surrounded and swarmed or go toe-to-toe with the six baddest nobles in the battlegroup to get them to say "Ok, gently caress this." Stephenls posted:Hey, I shared my take, and I'll repeat it here: Ah, sorry Stephen, I actually knew that and was making a joke based on Forum Imitation Prana or whatever it's called.
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MiltonSlavemasta posted:Sometimes I post cool ideas there to see how hilariously dumb the objections are. I said "I want Abyssals to be the Exalted of destroying whatever powerful institutions and people have wronged them and spreading the spoils amongst the citizenry." A dude was seriously like "How does that involve any caste other than Dusk?" I wanted to throw Leverage DVDs at him like Chakrams. I already beat you to that joke in the previous thread. Silver2195 posted:At my table, Exigents are directly in opposition to Fair Folk protagonism. I'm fed up of all these Strawmaidens.
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Look, correct roleplaying game protocol means remaining at 100% effectiveness and safety at all times, and therefore always carrying your triple-specialized grand daiklave around, always searching for traps, etc. No one in their right mind would step off the field that gives them +1 die on attack rolls! Technically there's a shred of value in "oh, so she's powerless when not on a wheat field?!" hysteria because favored terrain type bonuses can be pretty boring and restrictive when implemented poorly. It could get tiresome if water-aspected dragonblooded were constantly trying to shift confrontations to the lakeside, or whatever. BryanChavez posted:And yes, the Solar can do it for one mote less. drat STRAIGHT THEY CAN
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Ferrinus posted:Look, correct roleplaying game protocol means remaining at 100% effectiveness and safety at all times, and therefore always carrying your triple-specialized grand daiklave around, always searching for traps, etc. No one in their right mind would step off the field that gives them +1 die on attack rolls! To be fair, the "Powerless off the wheat field" thing comes from something John said: "Does she win this battle? Absolutely. She wins hard. "They are standing in Creation, and in her field. She was risen up by the god of the field and given the divine mandate by Heaven to cast them out. The Unconquered Sun and Ten Sheaves are with her. "She cannot lose."
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Jun 9, 2013 02:01
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MiltonSlavemasta posted:I think that a large part of the issue is that many posters literally cannot comprehend a battle-grouping that works in a way other than them swarming Janest with optimal tactics and fighting until every last one of them is dead. Hmm, you know, the Battle Group rules mean that optimal tactics in 3E creation is for each and every one of your soldiers to adapt a different hair style, outfit, weapon, etc. The key is for each soldier to differentiate themselves from their fellows enough that they cross the threshold that transforms them into a separate character rather than a member of the same aggregated battle group - that way you've got way more independent rolled attacks, willpower points, etc. on your side than theirs.
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Stephenls posted:To be fair, the "Powerless off the wheat field" thing comes from something John said: I think you're being too gentle towards them. If one assumes my favorite basketball team cannot lose a home game, to infer they are necessarily incompetent when playing away games is pretty dumb.
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MiltonSlavemasta posted:I think you're being too gentle towards them. If one assumes my favorite basketball team cannot lose a home game, to infer they are necessarily incompetent when playing away games is pretty dumb. To be fair, when I say "to be fair" sometimes I do not mean to be fair.
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