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Dauntasa posted:Yeah, crushing a rebellion should actually affect how rebellious your vassals are beyond just giving them a temporary opinion boost. Like, if the King crushes 3 rebellions and has the leaders stripped of their titles and sacrificed to Odin then maybe people shouldn't be so eager to start rebellion number 4. It's also ludicrous how liable vassal kings are to rebel even though you keep them happy and let them do their own thing. I just had to crush a rebellion by the King of Hungary even though the numbers were obviously stacked against him, and even though he was my dynasty, and even though his opinion of me was 96. He had no reason to rebel against me except for the sake of rebelling alone. It doesn't make any political sense either since the HRE is his neighbour and I've let him chip away at them and other neighboring duchies, and my military might is basically his life insurance policy. I can't even execute him or I'll get 10 tyranny. I should be able to put his head on a pike on the Theodosian Walls and it should make all the other vassal kings pause for a moment before contemplating rebellion given Hungary was my greatest vassal kingdom. If he'd hated my guts or at least put together a coalition with my other vassal kings, I could understand. But he threw away his kingship on a fool's errand and now I'm just gonna integrate the title into the imperial crown instead of bothering to vassalize it.
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Crushing rebellions already makes people less likely to rebel. All of your vassals get a "Crushed a major rebellion" relationship thing that is worth +25. I think it stacks per rebellion because I got up to +75 after a particularly nasty succession.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:07
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Gorelab posted:In CK2, what does it mean when granting idependence when you can't due to 'Not a de jure whateverreligion vassal'? To grant independence, the vassal in question must either be a different religion, or not be your de jure vassal.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:12
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Hunh. So when I seized the Duchy of York, apparently the counts stayed the same. Thats fine, except its only one guy who holds 5 count roles, and the moment there is a new king, he seizes the title. Whats the easiest way of seizing his titles without everyone else rebelling?
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Jun 9, 2013 01:14
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Flame112 posted:Crushing rebellions already makes people less likely to rebel. All of your vassals get a "Crushed a major rebellion" relationship thing that is worth +25. I think it stacks per rebellion because I got up to +75 after a particularly nasty succession.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:17
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Antti posted:It's also ludicrous how liable vassal kings are to rebel even though you keep them happy and let them do their own thing. I just had to crush a rebellion by the King of Hungary even though the numbers were obviously stacked against him, and even though he was my dynasty, and even though his opinion of me was 96. He had no reason to rebel against me except for the sake of rebelling alone. It doesn't make any political sense either since the HRE is his neighbour and I've let him chip away at them and other neighboring duchies, and my military might is basically his life insurance policy. I can't even execute him or I'll get 10 tyranny. I should be able to put his head on a pike on the Theodosian Walls and it should make all the other vassal kings pause for a moment before contemplating rebellion given Hungary was my greatest vassal kingdom. A good hint is to never create large Kingdom titles that you aren't going to hold yourself. As Persia, I'm never going to create Mesopotamia because my Demesne is in Persia and whoever I give the title to will be immensely powerful. If I hold on to it myself, there will often be several powerful dukes desiring the kingdom, and I don't want them getting mad. I'm happy to create Turkestan and Khiva though since their holdings are quite poor and I'll be able to crush them if they start getting funny. Infinite Monkeys posted:Yeah but lopping off some fuckers' heads for rebelling, regardless of that status, should make them less likely to rebel not more! Basically I want to go full on Tywin Lannister without having to crush another rebellion every 2 years. Think of it this way, if your king was an rear end in a top hat and people rose up against him and he killed a bunch, would that make you scared of him or more thirsty for revenge?
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Jun 9, 2013 01:18
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LowellDND posted:Hunh. So when I seized the Duchy of York, apparently the counts stayed the same. Thats fine, except its only one guy who holds 5 count roles, and the moment there is a new king, he seizes the title. Whats the easiest way of seizing his titles without everyone else rebelling?
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Jun 9, 2013 01:19
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LowellDND posted:Hunh. So when I seized the Duchy of York, apparently the counts stayed the same. Thats fine, except its only one guy who holds 5 count roles, and the moment there is a new king, he seizes the title. Whats the easiest way of seizing his titles without everyone else rebelling? You used to be able to raise one particular guy's levies forever to piss him off more and more. Eventually, he would rebel and you would be allowed to revoke a title from him. You can also send your chancellor to forge a claim on that guy's stuff, because your vassals won't complain if you revoke a title that you have a claim on.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:19
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Flame112 posted:You used to be able to raise one particular guy's levies forever to piss him off more and more. Eventually, he would rebel and you would be allowed to revoke a title from him. You can also send your chancellor to forge a claim on that guy's stuff, because your vassals won't complain if you revoke a title that you have a claim on. Dont really have time, he essentially claims the Duchy of York and becomes independent when I unpause. ... I think this king is going to be my tyrant and clean house. He's chase, without a kid, and his wife is mid 30s. I figure he'll get assassinated early on.
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Are there any positive effects of tyranny? I'm about to go attempt taking back Spain from the muslims again, and thinking of using the liberal application of executions to thin conquered provinces.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:31
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Infinite Monkeys posted:If it's gavelkind wait until he has two sons then assassinate him. Primogeniture, sadly.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:33
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LowellDND posted:Dont really have time, he essentially claims the Duchy of York and becomes independent when I unpause.  . Except then everyone else rebels 
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Jun 9, 2013 01:33
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Rapner posted:Are there any positive effects of tyranny? I'm about to go attempt taking back Spain from the muslims again, and thinking of using the liberal application of executions to thin conquered provinces. Im using a throwaway king and going for maximum tyranny points. I figure, any vassal with more than one county is losing it. I'll prolly banish any of the ones with serious money, too, the last civil war was unnecessary and expensive. Hope the provinces are suitably quelled after this king's reign of terror. I expect him to die, but I'm hoping his brother has an easier time of it.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:34
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Infinite Monkeys posted:Crush his army and put his head on a spike I dont mind the occasional 2-3 province rebellion, I put them down every few years with no problem. Its losing half of Ireland and all of York which is annoying.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:36
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Knuc If U Buck posted:A good hint is to never create large Kingdom titles that you aren't going to hold yourself. As Persia, I'm never going to create Mesopotamia because my Demesne is in Persia and whoever I give the title to will be immensely powerful. If I hold on to it myself, there will often be several powerful dukes desiring the kingdom, and I don't want them getting mad. I'm happy to create Turkestan and Khiva though since their holdings are quite poor and I'll be able to crush them if they start getting funny. Oh, absolutely. I am actually not sure how I wound up with the King of Hungary as a vassal. But I'm 100% certain I never created it. If I'd captured all those duchies by myself I would have just kept the dukes under my thumb like I'm doing in Greece and Serbia where I'm never creating those titles. The only Kingdom I've created was Taurica, which is small and which I felt like I had to do because my Dukes of Cherson have basically built it by themselves in the Crimea and they earned it. But yeah I never even had any designs on Hungary and then suddenly it fell into my lap.  Vassals are awesome that way. My vassal King of Croatia is also King of Sweden which means the purple's spread all the way to North Germany and Sweden.
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Rapner posted:Are there any positive effects of tyranny? I'm about to go attempt taking back Spain from the muslims again, and thinking of using the liberal application of executions to thin conquered provinces. You might get a huge penalty but it vanishes into thin air on newly generated characters. Make sure you can beat your regular vassals in a fight, then go hog wild with revocations. Once everything is in your hands, make some courtiers and hand the duchies to those guys. e: A purge every hundred years or so makes for a happy, stable realm. NihilVerumNisiMors fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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Jun 9, 2013 01:43
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Knuc If U Buck posted:Think of it this way, if your king was an rear end in a top hat and people rose up against him and he killed a bunch, would that make you scared of him or more thirsty for revenge? Frankly if my king had already killed enough rebel dukes to make an entire set of silverware from their bones, complete with salad forks and napkin rings, I might take a moment and recognize the pattern before declaring war on him.
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Jun 9, 2013 01:51
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Ahahaha this game:
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Same thing happened to me except that time it involved a powerful Duke and the Warchief of the Jomsvikings, which made it funnier.
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Yeah the game could definitely do with a bit more finesse in regards to rebellions and might benefit from some sort of fear aspect to opinions, be it just a simple "Craven vs. Tyrant +10" or something more in-depth and/or hidden. I can totally understand some opportunistic bastards trying to rebel against a child or someone they think is a soft touch, but if I've ruled for decades and am either reasonably benevolent and enlightened, or alternatively massively brutal towards rebels, I'd say I should be fairly safe regardless of other considerations. Perhaps most simply coalitions could still form but would require significantly more support before they actually take a shot at their goals? If you've seen a couple of rebellions crushed and the ringleaders publicly tortured to death or something, that's likely to encourage rebellion, but it's also going to make sure you're damned confident about victory before you start anything.
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Jun 9, 2013 02:19
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Dauntasa posted:Frankly if my king had already killed enough rebel dukes to make an entire set of silverware from their bones, complete with salad forks and napkin rings, I might take a moment and recognize the pattern before declaring war on him. This option is available because you have the Craven Trait.
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Jun 9, 2013 02:25
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Dauntasa posted:Same thing happened to me except that time it involved a powerful Duke and the Warchief of the Jomsvikings, which made it funnier. Blots are quite literally  .
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:You might get a huge penalty but it vanishes into thin air on newly generated characters. Make sure you can beat your regular vassals in a fight, then go hog wild with revocations. Once everything is in your hands, make some courtiers and hand the duchies to those guys. Hm. I jailed and banished 75% of the realm, made 4000 gold, appointed courtiers to the provinces, and jumped off a tower... but my brother still had a rebellion in every province. This game is confusing. edit: the rebellion wouldnt be so bad if it was just a rebellion. Ill hire mercs and deal with it. But York actually changes color and becomes independent. I'm not sure if its working as intended.
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LowellDND posted:Hm. I jailed and banished 75% of the realm, made 4000 gold, appointed courtiers to the provinces, and jumped off a tower... but my brother still had a rebellion in every province. This game is confusing. Wait did you literally have the option of jumping off a tower? 
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Jun 9, 2013 02:35
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Lawman 0 posted:Wait did you literally have the option of jumping off a tower? Depressed trait gives you an Intrigue decision to take your own life.
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Jun 9, 2013 02:36
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Any idea why the Duchy of York changes color when it rebels? Im not particular eager to spend a decade faking claims to conquer it again, since I just did that with the previous king.
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Jun 9, 2013 02:40
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LowellDND posted:Any idea why the Duchy of York changes color when it rebels? Im not particular eager to spend a decade faking claims to conquer it again, since I just did that with the previous king. Because that's how rebellions work. He's declaring himself independent. If you beat him in the war then he will be your vassal again.
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Jun 9, 2013 02:41
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Flame112 posted:Because that's how rebellions work. He's declaring himself independent. If you beat him in the war then he will be your vassal again. Really? So I dont need to do the whole CB dance again? Thank god. Time to roll out the panzers edit: I think I was thrown because rebels in Ireland go light green, but the rebels in England go light red. I wasn't sure what was happening.
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Jun 9, 2013 02:42
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Charlz Guybon posted:So, is the beta patch on steam for 1.101 good? It's working for me in my latest game. I haven't gotten to the point where any decadence invasions are happening though. Magyar/Hungary still seems to be doing well, but just not quite as well.
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Okay, I'm on my first game where I managed to not gently caress everything up early on: United Ireland under me as King, and my vassals mostly like me. I decided to start faking claims on Wales and expand there, and that was going pretty well. Rather quickly, a faction formed to put my brother on the throne, and they waited to rebel until I was all tied up with a war in Wales to press their demands. When someone demands you step down as king, what happens if you accept? Do you keep all titles other than King? Since I already told them to get stuffed and I'd rather not reload from an older save, what happens when I lose? Game over, or do I keep some of my other titles? Aside from Ireland, I've got the Isle of Man and a Dutchy in Wales, so even if I lose Ireland I've still got a game to play.
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I *think* the new guy would be king, and you'd be his vassal.
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The only way to loose the game is to loose your last county level holding or to run out of dynasty members that can inherit according to your laws. If you loose, your brother will become king and you will keep your other duchies as his vassal. You may also loose your capital though. e: If your brother takes all your holdings you will continue playing as him, assuming you are both of the same dynasty.
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I wish I could change my coat of arms if I start off as a pagan and end up converting later on. Would it be so hard for there to be an option to go in the ruler designer, if you have it, to change up your coat of arms? Also why do the Mojmirovici seem to start off with a pagan coat of arms when they're all catholics?
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So I'm trying to get access to those glorious horse archer retineus and tactics, how would I go about getting a Mongol into my court? I can't simply invite them because their reasoning is always "False Religion ------" which makes it impossible to sway them into coming over. I'm completely out of ideas.
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GrossMurpel posted:So I'm trying to get access to those glorious horse archer retineus and tactics, how would I go about getting a Mongol into my court? I can't simply invite them because their reasoning is always "False Religion ------" which makes it impossible to sway them into coming over. I'm completely out of ideas. Raid until you capture a Mongolian woman, make her your concubine. If you're not playing someone with raids and concubines I don't know what to tell you.
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Turks? You could marry a Mongolian woman, have her tutor your heir.
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Mister Adequate posted:Raid until you capture a Mongolian woman, make her your concubine.
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I was busy being a King in Genoa when I got a horrifying message that the Khan of the Pechenegs reformed Tengriism. Someone help, the Pechenegs and Cumania are absolute steamrollers.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I was busy being a King in Genoa when I got a horrifying message that the Khan of the Pechenegs reformed Tengriism. Someone help, the Pechenegs and Cumania are absolute steamrollers. Oh my God! I would restart if I were you. Noone has defeated a large AI empire in this game.
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Games › Crusader Kings II: 70% to imprison your vassal, 50% of the time!
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