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Dude, you can get an 1/8-1/4'' metal rod pretty far into the ground if it's soft, aerated, moist soil, as park sod tends to be. Rebar is way too loving thick and ribbed for her pleasure.
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Sizone posted:Dude, you can get an 1/8-1/4'' metal rod pretty far into the ground if it's soft, aerated, moist soil, as park sod tends to be. Rebar is way too loving thick and ribbed for her pleasure. Titanium!  Steel is way cheaper, though. Here’s a ten pack for less than half the price. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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Nnep posted:I don't think all these google map overlays will get us anywhere. There may be some things hidden about in the images which have been stumbled upon already, but it won't take cutting edge GPS satellites to solve something created when they didn't exist. The best course of action is to get out near the places and landmarks that are our best leads and analyze the written clues/cross reference the pictures in the field. See where that takes you. I agree - unless it's some easily recognizable shape like Ohio or on a small enough scale that is observable on foot, I don't think the author was expecting readers to map overlays (with rotation and resizing in some case) in order to solve the puzzle with the technology that was available in 1982. It's trivial for us to zip around on google maps until we find something close, but imagine trying to do the same sort of wide fit-and-match search using 1982 technologies. Transparencies? Overheard projectors? It would take forever.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Runes were around long before the 1980s. While the unicode list was put together in the '90's they were all in existence before. This is just where they meet. So, maybe there something out there older than the 1990's with all three that I've missed, which is entirely possible. But, I don't think we need to become rune hunters, we found 3 that "work" even if we're not sure how just yet. Also, maybe we'll find something else that makes more sense totally non-rune related. I also was thinking about the legeater and why we found it to be so prominent. I'm just wondering, if you were around the city and lived there, would that be an "obvious" thing to know about during your lifetime? If so, then it would make sense that he'd use it. It's so strange and odd looking that he must've known that using that feature would draw people to that area. Also, because St. Stephen's club is a historic building, it is/was unlikely to be torn down. So he'd know using a historic piece would ensure that for a few years the likelihood of it disappearing was lower than using something new, like a new swirly distinctive park bench installed in 1980 for example. That's my thinking anyway.
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Yeah, my guess is the writer just traveled to Montreal and was looking for distinctive landmarks, and the legeater is pretty distinctive.
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Sizone posted:Dude, you can get an 1/8-1/4'' metal rod pretty far into the ground if it's soft, aerated, moist soil, as park sod tends to be. Rebar is way too loving thick and ribbed for her pleasure. I suppose if we're talking like a thin metal dowel, but still considering the ground has to basically be in perfect condition (moist, soft, and loose) and many of these potential dig sites aren't necessarily golf course putting greens. It may be more trouble than it's worth after the 10th tree root/rock. It sounds like when the actual dig sites are presumed, there should be a pretty clear indication of where to dig. Worth a shot i guess!
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Sizone posted:Dude, you can get an 1/8-1/4'' metal rod pretty far into the ground if it's soft, aerated, moist soil, as park sod tends to be. Rebar is way too loving thick and ribbed for her pleasure. Someone else mentioned a four foot long dill bit. like this. You'd have to be careful, but you should know when you hit something that isn't sod. clockworx posted:I agree - unless it's some easily recognizable shape like Ohio or on a small enough scale that is observable on foot, I don't think the author was expecting readers to map overlays (with rotation and resizing in some case) in order to solve the puzzle with the technology that was available in 1982. It's trivial for us to zip around on google maps until we find something close, but imagine trying to do the same sort of wide fit-and-match search using 1982 technologies. Transparencies? Overheard projectors? It would take forever. I think the idea is that if you grew up or lived in the area, you'd say, "hey, that neckline sure looks like ...." We're using overlays because we're not familiar. einTier fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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so im at mount stephens house now... let me get home and ill upload the pictures I took. fyi there are six legeaters and what looks to be the flower in that cask pic is plastered all over the building (goons will correct me if im wrong) give me ten hours or so... edit: personal note, after seeing it in person, I feel we can rule out st.louis beyond a shadow of a doubt... stab fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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Nnep posted:I don't think all these google map overlays will get us anywhere. There may be some things hidden about in the images which have been stumbled upon already, but it won't take cutting edge GPS satellites to solve something created when they didn't exist. The best course of action is to get out near the places and landmarks that are our best leads and analyze the written clues/cross reference the pictures in the field. See where that takes you. Technologies such as onion paper and light tables were in common use before Photoshop. It would not surprise me in the least if the author thought people should be able to trace shapes and overlay them on maps. Computer technologies are largely an automated extension of techniques that used to be done by hand. GPS and Photoshop allow us to do very quickly what would have been a pain in the rear end 30 years ago - but still doable by the average person.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, my guess is the writer just traveled to Montreal and was looking for distinctive landmarks, and the legeater is pretty distinctive. they are not as distinctive as you think, they are super tiny and I can see why I never noticed them before
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did i say ten hours? i meant ten minutes! load of pics incoming!               
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clockworx posted:I agree - unless it's some easily recognizable shape like Ohio or on a small enough scale that is observable on foot, I don't think the author was expecting readers to map overlays (with rotation and resizing in some case) in order to solve the puzzle with the technology that was available in 1982. It's trivial for us to zip around on google maps until we find something close, but imagine trying to do the same sort of wide fit-and-match search using 1982 technologies. Transparencies? Overheard projectors? It would take forever. Just want to remind you that maps did exist in 1982, which are aerial views of things, and that to do the fit-and-match you would only need one transparency and one image on the wall -- you change the size of the projected image on the overhead by moving the overhead closer or further from the wall (and if you can rotate a piece of paper, you can rotate a transparency). I agree that it's not worth going too crazy with, but it's also not far-fetched that he could have used a distinctive shoreline as a clue in the 80s.
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homullus posted:Just want to remind you that maps did exist in 1982, which are aerial views of things, and that to do the fit-and-match you would only need one transparency and one image on the wall -- you change the size of the projected image on the overhead by moving the overhead closer or further from the wall (and if you can rotate a piece of paper, you can rotate a transparency). I agree that it's not worth going too crazy with, but it's also not far-fetched that he could have used a distinctive shoreline as a clue in the 80s. The point I was trying to make was that the "time sink" of doing it in 1982 was far greater, and whether the author would have expected the reader to do so. It's trivial to zoom out to look for potential matches, zoom in, pan to get the viewable area correct, screenshot, increase transparency and overlay to an existing image - probably takes 20-30 seconds or so, and you can do it many times in a row pretty easily if you're not right the first time. Running through the a batch of theoretical matches in 1982 isn't impossible, but would take a lot more time. You can't zoom in and out on a single view, your shoreline may be spread across multiple static pictures, you have to draw a transparency for each one, pin it up on a wall, and drag your projector around to "zoom". Also, now that we're in the digital realm and you can churn through possibilities so fast, you're bound to eventually find something that is a reasonable match to a drawn curve in a picture, even if it is obscure enough that it would have taken hours or days to find using 1982 methods. clockworx fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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I work in the sunlife building fyi. I checked out both squares. marie reine du mondes dome is directly across from the mcdonald statue, and theres three statues there as well. its a block and a half away from the legeaters. there is also a flowerbed identical to the cleveland find in the square. but I cant find anything that lines up with the verses. ... ohh and all the tiles on the ground match the checkerbox pattern... stab fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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I really hope its not in the square cause it was renovated over the last 4 years, but like I think it is.
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Guuse posted:I'm not arguing against Montreal being one of the subjects of this treasure hunt. There are more general clues that point to it. For instance, fanpantstic posted this picture earlier showing the Lawrence river matching the line of the inner shirt collar before breaking away at the islands that we're talking about the cask being located: Yeah, I really like the islands, but I'm certainly open to the idea that the cask could be elsewhere in Montreal. Has anyone found a silhouette/landscape of Mount Royal Park? Honestly, I think that some of the clues we have matching the cask to the islands are a little iffy. I *can* see the 67 in the flower, but that wouldn't be my first guess, even thought it would be a very nice number to have. Also, I think that the expo clues could be pointing to Montreal in general, rather than being specific to the expo.
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stab posted:I work in the sunlife building fyi. I was super pumped about the sunlife building and the Place du Canada but I went there and couldn't match anything else to the picture out of all the landmarks there (and there are a lot). I am a bit skeptic about the expo, sounds like a stretch but then again all the theories do. I do agree though that matching the collar and the weird pattern in his hat could probably give us more solid clues. They do really look like the Oratory and Mount royal peaks to me but then again I am not sure.
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some pics of dorchester square the interesting one is the fountain...look at the hollow part of it and compare it to the hat. as well, its part of a statue of a lion lying down, dedicated to her SOVEREIGN queen victoria...does that fit a verse? thanks tia      
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Jun 9, 2013 23:33
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Nobody's mentioned Boston in awhile. What do the Q4T forums say about it? Also, who do I gotta sleep with to get access to those forums?
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stab posted:some pics of dorchester square Cool pics, but that info on the plaque that adds to 15 won't help since a lot of those buildings were built after '81-'82 and the plaque itself is from 2004.
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LargeHadron posted:Nobody's mentioned Boston in awhile. What do the Q4T forums say about it? Also, who do I gotta sleep with to get access to those forums? There are 93 pages on the image alone but I've been too busy to get more than a quarter through. I was thinking about going out on my next day off to Copley and Harvard but that may be awhile. I don't think that the hawk is getting enough attention. I have no idea why it is there but it seems like someone would have figured it out by now.
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MassaShowtime posted:Cool pics, but that info on the plaque that adds to 15 won't help since a lot of those buildings were built after '81-'82 and the plaque itself is from 2004. tell you the truth i didnt even notice that! 
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stab posted:some pics of dorchester square Verse 2 has Here is a sovereign people Who build palaces to shelter Their heads for a night! The "palaces" could point to her being a Queen I suppose. Was she the Queen that granted Canada it's independence? If so then "sovereign" could refer both to her and the newly independent Canada. Do either of the churches by Place du Canada have a bell tower? I'm wondering if maybe that would match the "sounds from the sky" in Verse 7. It kind of looks like St. George's does, but I can't tell for sure. It looks like there's a series of Xs on the roof of St. George's, too. It would be pretty amazing if you ran across a series of dark bricks in the ground that matched the geometric shape in the square with the legeater.  Also, do you have any idea when the building across the street from the George Stephens Club was built?
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Something I just noticed.... Saint Patricks Basillica, a few blocks north of Dorchester/Dominion square. And it definitely has a bell tower.
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Montreal (???)Typh posted:Montreal This is gonna sound really stupid, but... is anyone else getting really strong Liberty Bell vibes from this outline? That dark outer collar plus the shadow line running down the old lady's neck are SCREAMING "Liberty Bell + crack in Liberty Bell" at me, and have been for several days now. ---------------- Charleston TotalHell posted:Charleston folks, I know there is a monument to the HMS Seraph near the Citadel. This was part of the Seraph, is it part of the monument itself? I think you're definitely onto something here. That thing looks almost exactly like the mask in the picture, and those bolts do look like the eyes in the Fort Sumter Face. Speaking of Fort Sumter, the last two lines in Verse 5... Verse 5 posted:Get permission However, this does also raise the question "How would Preiss have been able to bury a cask at FORT loving SUMTER in the first place?". Without being arrested, that is.  ---------------- Houston GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:Houston Maybe the '96' in "1964" corresponds with the '96' in the picture? One other thing I think we're forgetting: Cultural themes found in Picture 4 were used to help find the location of Cask 4 -- in the case of Cask 4, those cultural themes were primarily Greek (centaur, Greek columns, Greek fountains, etc.). Now, for Cask 8, we have a desert, lots of sand and sand dunes, some stone bricks on the ground, stone columns, and a Genie/Jinn/Djinn/whatever you want to call it. What culture in particular do all of these items point to? Furthermore... Verse 1 posted:In December night These lines lead me to think that once you find the spot where the cask is buried, you should be able to turn around 180 degrees and see (the 1982 location of) the SP982, or something else that would've had a spout and a whistle in 1982. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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LargeHadron posted:Nobody's mentioned Boston in awhile. What do the Q4T forums say about it? Also, who do I gotta sleep with to get access to those forums? I'm trying to get in myself. It's like you need an invite. Houston Again, I'd love to know why so many people thought the Houston cask was in the Zoo. I don't see any clues that point there. Charleston -- ha ha, someone beat me to what I've thinking on all day. Oh Well. Every time I look at the picture and verse 5, I get the impression it's in or very near Ft. Sumter. It's so prevalent in the photo (and what's with the star?) and that's obviously what it is. Anything that specific in any of the found cask pictures has been at or extremely near the burial site. Also, the last two lines are the only ones that reference needing permission to dig up a cask. quote:Get permission If he buried it at Ft. Sumter, it would stand to reason that you'd really want to go asking for permission before you went digging for something buried in a National Park where you're likely to be discovered. It seems that all other prospective sites would be accessible under cover of darkness -- but not this one. It would also stand to reason that he might have asked for permission to dig from the Superintendent in 1981 -- who would also be likely to grant permission ("make sure they come ask for permission before they dig it up, ok?") and would know the basic location of the cask. Has anyone asked that guy about it? It looks like this guy is who we should ask: John Tucker retires -- 2005. quote:chief ranger at Fort Sumter National Monument (which includes Fort Moultrie) from October 1977 to November 1980. einTier fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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Guuse posted:Verse 2 has its the YMCA across the street, and according to their website they moved there in 1911.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:
What if he's just saying "it's buried in the middle east of the park", which coincidentally, is about where the SP982 was? By the way, Episode 6 of Season 1 of Mega Movers has the move of the locomotive. I'm thinking there will be a lot of background footage that might be useful. They even have it on DVD, but none of the specialty stores in Austin have it nor does the library. 
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 I think everyone should take a step back and analyze the best piece of evidence we have available, which basically breaks down one of the previous images completely. It's the best window into the writers thought process to leaving clues. Now given that each picture could be completely different we can't make the assumption that there is any type of concrete equation, but i believe this is our best tool to solving any of these. As you notice there are very broad to specific clues that first put us in the general location (tower). Then at least in this particular example, there are more location specific clues that give you two street names. Bell + flower seems quite simple in hindsight, but perhaps goons in these locations can start to analyze street names more carefully (which may propose a problem since the 30 year gap). Then lastly there appears to be at least 3 exact location specific clues in the image, which may or may not be immediately apparent once in the exact area, or at least nearby. It's very easy to analyze something backwards and say it's so obvious, but i definitely think it's worth using our figurative answer key.
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Nnep posted:
Then you have a bunch of generic things (notable landmarks in the background, maps) that tell you you're in the general vicinity. Then there's lots of stuff that says "these are all things you'll find when you're very close". One of those things will be something you'll find when you're right there. The verse tells you how to get from the park entrance to a major landmark, then from the major landmark, to find the actual burial site. Houston gently caress, fuckity, gently caress, gently caress. What if the cask was buried near the 982? What if it was buried at the old railway station that has now been demolished and rebuilt?  See that grey box next to the mini train? Does it look at all familiar? Like maybe the stone by the camel pillar? einTier fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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id kill for somebody to break down the mtl picture, the ones on the net reference st.louis in them...
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einTier posted:Charleston -- ha ha, someone beat me to what I've thinking on all day. Oh Well. My problem with Ft. Sumter is there's a lot in the Charleston picture that we haven't connected to that (the lion, the pear, the daisy/pine branch). The fairy could be a play on words for the ferry to get to Sumter. It also seems like too easy a solution. Ft. Sumter isn't a huge place, stick a map of Charleston and the outline of Ft. Sumter on a picture, give me the verse for the exact spot and call it a day. It seems way too easy. Maybe we're overthinking it and it really IS that easy, but there are both Sumter-related monuments and spots where you can see Ft. Sumter at other spots in Charleston.
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TotalHell posted:My problem with Ft. Sumter is there's a lot in the Charleston picture that we haven't connected to that (the lion, the pear, the daisy/pine branch). The fairy could be a play on words for the ferry to get to Sumter. It also seems like too easy a solution. Ft. Sumter isn't a huge place, stick a map of Charleston and the outline of Ft. Sumter on a picture, give me the verse for the exact spot and call it a day. It seems way too easy. Maybe we're overthinking it and it really IS that easy, but there are both Sumter-related monuments and spots where you can see Ft. Sumter at other spots in Charleston. Agreed. Fort Sumter is a small, plain place, and I don't see anything there using GIS that matches any of our other clues. The Cleveland one had scads of actual columns, statues, etc in the picture that were replicated near the cask. If somebody could go get some photos, that could help rule it out for sure.
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Guys, I think I finally figured out what that wierd tree-branch shape on the left side of the Cask 8 painting is supposed to be... It's a turned-around number '2'.
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Milwaukeecrashdome posted:In other news, I did find this today and like an idiot I didn't take a picture (pic not mine and only one I found on Internet): This shows up in the 1995 aerial view on the county maps but I am pretty sure it was built in the early 90's or at the earliest, the late 80's. If you go by it again check the concrete. Generally there is a date stamp on one end or the other with the year.
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Cask #2 - Charleston OK, idea here. I was googling pears and came up with a wikipedia entry that says "The place name Perry and Pharisoulopol can indicate the historical presence of pear trees." And there IS a Perry St in Charleston. What's more, it intersects with (Fort) Sumter St. And at that intersection is an area of tree-covered land with a "no trespassing" sign on it. (Get permission?) Looks like there's a church nearby, and the land behind it might be a cemetery. There's an iron fence back there and who knows what else? The church itself has windows that are vaguely like the shapes on the large mask. Google Maps Might be worth a look if anybody can get in there!! Edit: No pine trees nearby, but anything might have fallen down in Hurricane Hugo
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Neutrino posted:Milwaukee I'll try and do that. When I saw it, I was in a hurry to get somewhere. It got me very excited but, the problem is that there are no culverts directly near it and no obvious "grand 200". I mean, it should be obvious for the rest of the clues but, I just don't see any along the lake front except the multitude of bridges, culverts, and staircases. Which I also had a thought... what if he meant 1,000 and 200? (i.e. 1200) Has any Milwaukee goon got into the Q4T forum yet? If not, I could probably be one to pour over the pages of discussion because I bus a lot in the summer and nothing better for me to do for 30-40 mins at a pop than read. edit: Also, my stepfather loves harpsichords and he thinks there is something in the Art Museum. I'll admit, I've been there a few times over the years but, never remembered anything of the permanent collection. I do want to get to Villa Terrace though. At least I will ask them how many steps there are. crashdome fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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