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It looks like that map only shows county-level laws. There are cities with blue laws that aren't shown.
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withak posted:It looks like that map only shows county-level laws. There are cities with blue laws that aren't shown. Yeah, Cook County is yellow but Chicago is hardly a restrictive city for alcohol
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Jun 9, 2013 22:38
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Emanuel Collective posted:Yeah, Cook County is yellow but Chicago is hardly a restrictive city for alcohol Chicago actually allows precincts to vote to ban liquor sales, and there are a bunch of dry ones. 
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Jun 9, 2013 22:56
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Yeah I'm curious about what qualifies as yellow too, my county is yellow and I can't recall any restrictions. We have drive thru liquor stores there, it's not exactly restrictive.
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Jun 10, 2013 01:02
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I'm originally from a yellow county on that map, and presumably what it means there is that there are dry towns within the county but not county-wide or anything. Outside of the usual PA thing with pretty strict rules on alcohol sales: beer can usually only be sold by the full case at dedicated beer stores and everything else is from state-run stores. But since parts of PA are blue that doesn't count in itself.
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Jun 10, 2013 01:47
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DrBouvenstein posted:Christ, if you live in the middle of the southern border of KY, you are pretty much hosed trying to buy booze, aren't you? Even the first few counties you cross over into in TN are dry. It's not uncommon for a chuches in "moist" counties in TN to apply for the limited number of liquor licenses available from the county government and then sit on them - preventing anyone else from obtaining them. Just in the past few years were you able to buy Jack Daniels at the Jack Daniels distillery, but it's only stuff like single barrel or gentleman jack in $80 collector bottles.
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Jun 10, 2013 01:52
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Terex posted:That seems so backwards, especially since there are still dry counties to this day, many of which seem to be in the same areas (like North Carolina). I grew up in what should be a yellow county and being "moist" meant that the county controlled alcohol. Liquor could only be sold by the county, you had to purchase it from a county run liquor store. Beer and wine could be sold by "any" store. However, you had to have a license and only one per chain could have a beer and wine license. In a county of nearly a million, only one of each chain grocery and convenience store sold alcohol. All of the beer and wine sold by licensed stores had to be purchased from the county, they could not directly buy from distributors. Overall, beer and wine prices weren't really any different from nearby counties that were fully wet. Liquor prices could be a couple dollars more expensive but there were month long sales (that could also be looked up online, sometimes product inventory) that were almost always cheaper than buying from a regular liquor store in a wet county. You could get some pretty good deals. The county run liquor stores are great to work for. You get an easy retail job, you have more authority than a normal liquor store to deny people, many are sleazy and will sell to anyone who has money because gently caress it, and get government benefits. Getting hired is guaranteed 32 hours a week and ~$16/hour plus good benefits. After a year, you take the inventory test from this huge gently caress off book and should you pass, you are full time, get overtime for over 40 (rare), pay is about $20/hour, and full benefits. It's a pretty sweet gig for working in a liquor store.
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Jun 10, 2013 02:23
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GreenCard78 posted:I grew up in what should be a yellow county and being "moist" meant that the county controlled alcohol. Liquor could only be sold by the county, you had to purchase it from a county run liquor store. Beer and wine could be sold by "any" store. However, you had to have a license and only one per chain could have a beer and wine license. In a county of nearly a million, only one of each chain grocery and convenience store sold alcohol. All of the beer and wine sold by licensed stores had to be purchased from the county, they could not directly buy from distributors. Just out of curiousity, where was this? I don't doubt you I'm just amazed. I've done skilled labor as a locomotive mechanic and I've been a manager in charge of an 8 man crew and I've never made $15 on hour let alone 20. Then again I live in MS perhaps that's the problem.
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Jun 10, 2013 02:59
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Montgomery County, Maryland. You ever hear the quasi-joke that becoming a trashman is the hood's dream because it pays decent plus benefits? It's like that times a thousand to get the position. I live in a different part of the state and make $12/hour to manage 30-60 people. I feel your pain. 
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Jun 10, 2013 03:10
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BIG HORNY COW posted:It's not uncommon for a chuches in "moist" counties in TN to apply for the limited number of liquor licenses available from the county government and then sit on them - preventing anyone else from obtaining them. That's really a thing they can do? Like, they don't have to prove they're going to make use of the license or some poo poo?
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Jun 10, 2013 03:12
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The alcohol map I posted was from the Wikipedia page for prohibition, I have no idea how they made it.WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Just out of curiousity, where was this? I don't doubt you I'm just amazed. I've done skilled labor as a locomotive mechanic and I've been a manager in charge of an 8 man crew and I've never made $15 on hour let alone 20. Then again I live in MS perhaps that's the problem. I think it's that you live in MS, in Alberta the average salary for a mechanic is 30$/hour.  To contrast, the following link has Canada. The current exchange rate is 0.98 CAD/USD. http://globalnews.ca/news/370804/income-by-postal-code/
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Jun 10, 2013 05:32
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I only see 5 dark blue states. Am I missing something like DC being counted? I hope so beccause doing some quick addition, the map thinks there are 51 states.
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Jun 10, 2013 05:35
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Mister Adequate posted:That's really a thing they can do? Like, they don't have to prove they're going to make use of the license or some poo poo? Not having the licences used is probably the desired outcome for all parties involved.
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Jun 10, 2013 05:38
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Soviet Commubot posted:What exactly can yellow mean here? I grew up in a yellow county (Gratiot, Michigan) and the only restrictions I remember are no sales between 2AM and maybe 8AM and no sales before noon on Sunday. Is it just stuff like that? I suspect that's how it seems to be for the most of the places of Michigan I've visited. Oh whats with the lone county in South Dakota? BTW nice to see a person from where my Mom's home county hails from.
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Jun 10, 2013 05:43
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I know some of the counties in Pennsylvania let towns and Burroughs decide to allow the sale of alcohol or not. That's why there's a lot of yellows in the state.
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Jun 10, 2013 06:29
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh whats with the lone county in South Dakota? Reservations tend to be really strict regarding alcohol, that particular county is entirely within the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.
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Jun 10, 2013 07:46
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah I'm curious about what qualifies as yellow too, my county is yellow and I can't recall any restrictions. We have drive thru liquor stores there, it's not exactly restrictive. Brew-thrus.  But only when the devil is beating his wife.
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Jun 10, 2013 09:50
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Soviet Commubot posted:What exactly can yellow mean here? I grew up in a yellow county (Gratiot, Michigan) and the only restrictions I remember are no sales between 2AM and maybe 8AM and no sales before noon on Sunday. Is it just stuff like that? Virginia Beach City (fun fact: incorporated cities in Virginia exist as their own legal entities and are not a part of any county) is listed as blue, but theres a midnight to 6AM restriction on sales.
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Jun 10, 2013 09:54
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Terex posted:The alcohol map I posted was from the Wikipedia page for prohibition, I have no idea how they made it. Their map of Ottawa seems a bit off given that as a city it has the highest medium income in the country yet beyond the suburbs no one seem to have a huge income.
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Jun 10, 2013 16:59
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I'd like to see the median income rather than per capita. The East Coast presumably has a lot of people (in the financial sector, for example  ) making obscene amounts of money, which brings up the average. And the cost of living is much higher there, as well.
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Jun 10, 2013 17:06
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TinTower posted:Brew-thrus. Never heard the term brew-thru in Ohio. They didn't have a special name. I remember a couple people calling them DUI-thrus.
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Jun 10, 2013 17:09
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Yeah, CT being dark red on that map is BS. Everyone I know around here calls them grinders. I was eager to see they had a language map for sandwiches. Up here in Maine, I'm convinced the name of this sandwich (cold cuts on a long sandwich bun) is primarily called "Italian". You see them referenced this way everywhere, and I can't recall seeing them referred to as "Grinder", ever. But "Italian" doesn't show up on the map. Bummer!
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Jun 10, 2013 17:28
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Phlegmish posted:I'd like to see the median income rather than per capita. The East Coast presumably has a lot of people (in the financial sector, for example The results are very similar for median income by state. The important point is the second one you made- the cost of living tends to be high on the East Coast, which means that the gap between it and other regions isn't quite as large as unadjusted numbers would suggest.
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Jun 10, 2013 17:34
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redshirt posted:I was eager to see they had a language map for sandwiches. If you click through the page has several maps with various words represented in various colors. This is the "Italian sandwich" map, and Maine is indeed heavily represented: 
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Jun 10, 2013 17:39
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Elim Garak posted:If you click through the page has several maps with various words represented in various colors. This is the "Italian sandwich" map, and Maine is indeed heavily represented: Cool! Thanks for the find. I'm not crazy. Now, why they're called Italians, I'm not sure. It might be the impact of one local, long standing chain store - Amato's.
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Jun 10, 2013 18:06
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh whats with the lone county in South Dakota? All the land in that county is a part of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, which has voted to be dry due to the massive alcohol abuse problems among their population. It's one of the worst places in America, here are some stats from Wikipedia: quote:As of 2011, population estimates of the reservation range from 28,000 to 40,000. Numerous enrolled members of the tribe live off the reservation.[58] Did I mention that even though the reservation is supposed to be dry, there is a town of 14 people just across the border in Nebraska that sells 4.9 million cans of beer a year? Yeah.
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Jun 10, 2013 19:30
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Konstantin posted:All the land in that county is a part of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, which has voted to be dry due to the massive alcohol abuse problems among their population. It's one of the worst places in America, here are some stats from Wikipedia: "According to the Nebraska Liquor Control Commission, beer sales at Whiteclay's four liquor stores totalled 4.9 million cans in 2010 (~13,000 cans per day) for gross sales of $3 million." Four liquor stores.
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Jun 10, 2013 19:32
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prefect posted:"According to the Nebraska Liquor Control Commission, beer sales at Whiteclay's four liquor stores totalled 4.9 million cans in 2010 (~13,000 cans per day) for gross sales of $3 million." quote:A significant part of Whiteclay's economy is based on alcohol sales to residents of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation Yeah, you don't say 
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Jun 10, 2013 19:43
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Meme Emulator posted:Virginia Beach City (fun fact: incorporated cities in Virginia exist as their own legal entities and are not a part of any county) is listed as blue, but theres a midnight to 6AM restriction on sales. I don't think that restrictions like that count. If they did, all of CA would be yellow because state law prohibits sales between 2am and 8am, as would all other states with similar rules.
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Jun 11, 2013 00:15
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redscare posted:I don't think that restrictions like that count. If they did, all of CA would be yellow because state law prohibits sales between 2am and 8am, as would all other states with similar rules. I'd have thought that map was of each county according to whether the county itself had any restrictions on the sale of alcohol in addition to state laws. So blue is "same laws as the state", yellow is "laws more strict in this county than in the rest of the state" and red is "alcohol sales prohibited in this county". Would there be any counties on the map that definitely would not match up with?
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Jun 11, 2013 00:57
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Reveilled posted:I'd have thought that map was of each county according to whether the county itself had any restrictions on the sale of alcohol in addition to state laws. So blue is "same laws as the state", yellow is "laws more strict in this county than in the rest of the state" and red is "alcohol sales prohibited in this county". Looking at Wikipedia this seems to be the case. Stores with a special licence in Michigan can sell before noon on Sundays but counties and cities can restrict that if they want to, which most of the counties I lived did if memory serves.
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Jun 11, 2013 01:11
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That liquor laws map is a major thought provoker. I really want to know what's up with Litchfield County in CT. There must be some town that restricts alcohol since I grew up there and I thought everyone followed the state law since county-level government doesn't exist.
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Jun 11, 2013 03:42
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Lord Hawking posted:That liquor laws map is a major thought provoker. I really want to know what's up with Litchfield County in CT. There must be some town that restricts alcohol since I grew up there and I thought everyone followed the state law since county-level government doesn't exist. According to wikipedia Bridgewater (pop. 1,898) in Litchfield county is the only dry town left in CT.
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Jun 11, 2013 03:53
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Konstantin posted:All the land in that county is a part of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, which has voted to be dry due to the massive alcohol abuse problems among their population. It's one of the worst places in America, here are some stats from Wikipedia: I knew life on Reservations was bad, but those numbers are like what I would expect of the worst parts of Zimbabwe. Seriously what the hell is wrong with this country? Although I'll gladly use these stats when ever some libertarian racist shitheel says they don't deserve what little the Feds give them.
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Jun 11, 2013 04:55
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Crowsbeak posted:
To be fair, I'm pretty sure that Pine Ridge is by far the worst reservation. But yes the reservations are mostly awful places and it's a shame no one knows about it.
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Jun 11, 2013 04:58
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Crowsbeak posted:
If it's anything like way too many Canadian reservations, it's because they have rampant substance abuse problems that basically nobody will ever do anything about because it's mostly our fault and we don't want to admit it, they have massive levels of unemployment and are miles away from anywhere with a growing economy or valuable land since these were the places we were going to let them keep, they have little to no control over their finances and no leverage to induce additional government spending, the governments are corrupt as all hell because they have no accountability to the band membership and the higher authorities don't want get bogged down sorting things out, and continue to suffer discrimination at the hands of non-natives outside their reservations. It's a goddamned tragedy, and I doubt it's about to get fixed any time soon. As always of course, there are big exceptions to that description.
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Jun 11, 2013 05:35
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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eSports Chaebol posted:Chicago actually allows precincts to vote to ban liquor sales, and there are a bunch of dry ones. Sure you can buy alcohol on the South Side, as long as you're white! That line down Western is pretty ridiculous.
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Jun 11, 2013 07:48
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Crowsbeak posted:
Reservations are unique in that they're technically separate entities (like states are) so they don't get any revenue from the state they happen to be in. And the feds don't really care that much about them.
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Jun 11, 2013 13:30
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menino posted:Sure you can buy alcohol on the South Side, as long as you're white! That line down Western is pretty ridiculous. You know the vote is within the precinct right?
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A fun look at population density in the Arab League, and a comparison to the continental US in land area. 
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