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Montreal The lapel has the runic P, X and 7. Flip the 7 over to get L, any maybe it reads where P intersects L? Peel St. runs by Dominion Park. René Lévesque Boulevard intersects it at that point, but apparently it wasn't actually named that until 1987. Welp. At least Peel street is there! I was thinking the line Education and Justice For all to see from Verse 7 might be referring to street names since they're capitalized. University St. is nearby, as is McGill College Ave. Justice might refer to Peel St. The street is named after Robert Peel who wikipedia says "helped create the modern concept of the police force, leading to officers being known as "Bobbies" (in England) and "Peelers" (in Northern Ireland)." Unless this is a common-knowledge thing among people who live in Montreal, though, I think it's kind of a stretch.
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Montreal (Probably not Verse 2) stab posted:id kill for somebody to break down the mtl picture, the ones on the net reference st.louis in them... Do we have any real consensus on the symbolism beyond the actual legeater itself? After learning the New Orleans connection to verse 2, I'm sold we need to try and match another verse, and see how the others may or may not align with some of the proposed areas. Of course it makes everything I said earlier in the thread about the Place du nations relatively meaningless. I like the Trafalgar school image:  .
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Jun 10, 2013 02:22
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God I am just ITCHING to drive over to Houston right now to do some scouting/recon, but I have Summer classes starting tomorrow morning and the earliest I'd be able to go out there would be Thursday or Friday. Nobody better find that cask before I get there and do some actual digging myself, savvy? 
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For the New Orleans image Am I crazy or is there a face in the bottom part of the clock? http://i.imgur.com/ElOdvnI.jpg Can someone clean it up or have a better scan? This looks like it could be something as well http://imgur.com/1kT0TNP edit:tables
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Merlot Brougham posted:Montreal ok bear with me, this is a stretch and a half but it's kinda cool imo I wiki'ed trafalgar SQUARE (the square in the px thing gave me the idea) this is a description that shot out at me: On the north side of the square is the National Gallery and to its east St Martin-in-the-Fields church. The square adjoins The Mall entered through Admiralty Arch to the southwest. To the south is Whitehall, to the east Strand and South Africa House, to the north Charing Cross Road and on the west side Canada House. to the north we have the church (du monde basilica, which matches the neckline), to the south we have the monument for canada in the Boer war, fought in south africa, to the west we have the john a macdonald statue, the founder of confederacy, and to the south, we have a big rear end white building (the sunlife building). education and justice? we have sir wilfred laurier monument, the founder of our school system. justice? the queen victoria monument of course. oh and this to say about canada house: Canada House (French: Maison du Canada) is a Greek Revival building on Trafalgar Square in London that is part of the High Commission of Canada in London. Canada House hosts the cultural and consular sections of the High Commission, while the political, trade and administrative functions are carried out from Macdonald House in Mayfair oh and last thing, the lion i spoke about with the victoria monument is in the SAME position as the lion in trafalgar square at the base of Nelson's statue. one hell of a stretch, but eh, why not?
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LargeHadron posted:Nobody's mentioned Boston in awhile. What do the Q4T forums say about it? Also, who do I gotta sleep with to get access to those forums? If you figure out how to get accsss please let me know. I registered but never got approved
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I'm a Montrealer, and I think there's a good chance that the treasure might be in Percy Walters Park. Earlier this week I checked it out, and one of the areas has exactly 21 fence sections, and when the poem says "in the middle of 21" (10.5 round up --> 11) there are "15 rows to the ground" (at the 11th fence section I counted 15 rows of iron bars to the ground, some sections have 16). Percy Walters is also pretty close to Drummond where the Mount Stephens club was. To my knowledge, the park hasn't been significantly renovated since the 80's either. No matter what the case I'm definitely game to try looking and this thread has been turning up some interesting leads. I live a 10 minute walk from Ile Ste Helene and Ile Notre Dame so I can take pictures if necessary. EDIT: Here's the fence section I'm talking about. Starting from the park entrance on the right, I counted 21 fence sections until the end of that section.
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So I'm reading through the q4T Montreal/St.Louis thread. Nothing interesting so far, until I got to this which is pretty hillarious:quote:Wrll, here is the present status of St. Louis. I suspect the Friedrich Jahn sculpture, in Forest Park, as the site of the treasure. It is U-shaped (verse 2: in the middle of 21=U from end to end), and there ius a recebtly renovated boathouse with a waterway leading up in the direction of the sculpture (verse 2: 15[O???] rows down to the ground.) That last line coukd be a reach; I am puzzled. The plaques on the sculpture are appropriately black and gold, and there is a large center-plaque with two torches in a large X-pattern.
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Supersonic posted:I'm a Montrealer, and I think there's a good chance that the treasure might be in Percy Walters Park. Earlier this week I checked it out, and one of the areas has exactly 21 fence sections, and when the poem says "in the middle of 21" (10.5 round up --> 11) there are "15 rows to the ground" (at the 11th fence section I counted 15 rows of iron bars to the ground, some sections have 16). Percy Walters is also pretty close to Drummond where the Mount Stephens club was. To my knowledge, the park hasn't been significantly renovated since the 80's either. You aren't going to do any rounding. That's ridiculous. Stop that.
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11 is in the middle of 21 though. 1-10, 12-21. The Q4T thread seems to think that the middle of 21 end to end refers to a U shape, as if you join the two ends of 11 you get a U.
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Montrealstab posted:education and justice? we have sir wilfred laurier monument, the founder of our school system. justice? the queen victoria monument of course. I was pretty lost at how to work Education into the square, but if Wilfred Laurier is the founder of the school systems then that makes perfect sense! I'd pegged John Macdonald for Justice since in addition to being Premier and Prime Minister, he was Attorney General at one time too. Those titles can also fit the "three high posts" line in Verse 7 in the sense that they're government posts rather than physical objects. The two statues are directly facing each other, right? So they'd probably be kind of be naturally tied together in the eyes of someone walking through? So I think the following lines make sense: At stone wall's door The air smells sweet The cathedral door leading to Place du Canada. The sweet smell is the burning incense from religious ceremonies maybe? Here's a picture of the door in question. Looking at it in Google Street View really makes the "stone wall's door" jump out. Does it look obvious to you in person or am I just imagining things?  Not far away High posts are three John Macdonald statue. Education and Justice For all to see The Macdonald and Laurier statues paired together. Sounds from the sky Church bells in a tower. It looks like there may be one at Saint George's, and Saint Patrick (which is close but not right on the square) has one. Does the Du Monde Cathedral? Near ace is high No idea. The picture that was posted earlier of Saint Patrick's Bascillica had a windows that kind of looks like an ace, but I think that's kind of a stretch to link it directly to this verse. Is there anything else in the are that looks like an ace? Running north, but first across In jewel's direction Is an object Of Twain's attention Giant pole Giant step To the place The casque is kept. edit: this is referencing Verse 7.
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Guuse posted:Montreal quote:Nicknamed "la ville aux cent clochers" (the city of a hundred belltowers), Montreal is renowned for its churches. As described by Mark Twain, "This is the first time I was ever in a city where you couldn't throw a brick without breaking a church window."
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Jun 10, 2013 04:03
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Cask 6 OK so I changed my mind about St. Augustine vs. Miami. I noticed on some other site (can't find a link now?) that the first letter of the last five lines of Verse 9 spells "SELOY" - the name of the Indian tribe that are part of the history of Saint Augustine. Additionally, I've been looking at the symbol on the flag the Spanish dude is holding. I noticed that if you ignore the circle, you have something like the outline of the Castillo de San Marcos - a "star fort" shaped like a square with four pointed corners. Additionally, the Castillo is made from shells bonded together into limestone - which appear in the verse. So we've got a Spanish guy standing on a pile of rocks by the sea holding a flag with a symbol reminiscent of a star fort - that's gotta be St. Augustine. I traced over some of the more interesting shapes in the cask 6 image. I've been going through maps of the streets and parks in St. Augustine, looking for stuff that a local might recognize as matching the patterns, but without much luck. 
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Cask 1 First time in the thread, just noticed on the mock up that what could possibly be a pelican wasn't identified. Which could just be another mention of Alcatraz since it was called The Island of the Pelicans.
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Jun 10, 2013 04:21
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Charleston This is a little crazy, but someone said they wanted the pine+pear to be a wordplay. Well, the pine looks like a larch to me. Pear+larch = pearl arch?
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Jun 10, 2013 04:23
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MontrealMerlot Brougham posted:Montreal I think facades like that were fairly common once upon a time, but interestingly enough the Trafalgar School is in line with the George Stephens Club, the Dorchester Square/Place du Canada combo, Habitat 67 and the finish line of the race track on Ile Notre-Dame. It's also right by Parc Percy-Walter, which is a location that Supersonic was interested in.  Here's another example that is sort of in the same general area.  That is the Royal Victoria Hospital and it was bought for the city by George Stephen of all people. It's a hike from the other places that we're talking about, though, so it's probably a stretch. If we were to use Verse 2: Here is a sovereign people Who build palaces to shelter Their heads for a night! The "sovereign" could refer to Queen Victoria, it's certainly palatial and the "heads for a night" might be talking about temporary stays, like in a hospital. Supersonic posted:I'm a Montrealer, and I think there's a good chance that the treasure might be in Percy Walters Park. Earlier this week I checked it out, and one of the areas has exactly 21 fence sections, and when the poem says "in the middle of 21" (10.5 round up --> 11) there are "15 rows to the ground" (at the 11th fence section I counted 15 rows of iron bars to the ground, some sections have 16). Percy Walters is also pretty close to Drummond where the Mount Stephens club was. To my knowledge, the park hasn't been significantly renovated since the 80's either. I guess we're kind of off Verse 2 and expo-chat since it's looking like it may be for New Orleans instead, but if you're up for a walk you could go over to Ile Sainte-Helene and: 1) Check if you can see the totem from the native Canadian's exhibit on Ile Notre-Dame from the Place du Nations. 2) Going over to the totem and following the direction that it's facing to look for something referencing gnomes or faeries. We don't know for sure that Verse 2 really applies to New Orleans until they actually dig up a cask, so continuing to try to follow it while also looking at Verse 7/Dominion Square stuff would still be reasonable. If nothing else, the flower gardens on Ile Notre Dame look like they'd be nice to walk through. Imazul posted:Probably a repost but Verse 7 is probably the only other verse that could fit Montreal mostly because of the Twain reference. There is this super famous quote by Mark Twain about Montreal I came across that line a bit ago and tried to make a connection to the Pioneers' Obelisk maybe being in front of the Old Custom House in 1982 (giant pole) and the Notre Dame Basilica in the background, but in hindsight it seems like a huge stretch to go there starting from Place du Canada. I think that you're probably right in it being one of Montreal's churches, though. There really are a ton of them! The Saint Patrick Basilica that MassaShowtime posted earlier has a prominent round window that sort of looks like the flower in the picture. 
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Merlot Brougham posted:After learning the New Orleans connection to verse 2, I'm sold we need to try and match another verse, and see how the others may or may not align with some of the proposed areas. I wanted to add to this thought, because I myself have expressed extreme skepticism about relying on passages from the book Abroad In America to interpret clues. The "Edwin and Edwina named after him" connection seemed incredibly tenuous to me, so I assumed that this connection was equally lame. It didn't help that the link to Google Books on this page didn't actually reveal the matching quote. However, after screwing around with Google Books for a second, I managed to produce the full passage: Abroad In America's authors posted:Traveling by steamboat down the Mississippi to New Orleans, Sarmiento sighted, as he neared the city, a dome which “brought to mind the dome of Saint Peter’s in Rome which you can see from all positions of the compass as if it were the only thing there… At last I was going to see in the United States a basilica designed along classic lines and on a scale dignified enough for religion. Someone asked us if we had hotel arrangements and suggested the Saint Charles as the best appointed… The Saint Charles, which lifted its proud head above the surrounding hills and woods, the Saint Charles, which had called up my memory of Saint Peter’s in Rome, was no more than a hotel!” Oh. Oh, so it's the entire line. Word-for-word. Huh. Wow. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento was an Argentinian statesman in the 19th century. I still don't really trust the "Edwin and Edwina" connection to Abroad In America; we don't even really know that Preiss found the Sarmiento quote in that particular book. But these lines in Verse 2 seem to definitely be a reference to the Saint Charles Hotel in New Orleans, which is only a dozen blocks from Louis Armstrong Park, which has long been suspected to be the hiding place of the New Orleans cask based on the image alone. So maybe we should do a bit more work on trying to find more New Orleans clues in Verse 2.
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if we go north past the church door, it brings us to the second park where macdonald is. what about giant pole giant step? thats what is bugging me, was there or is there a giant pole there? im guessing veres 7 is very close based off the last observations...
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Autumn2May posted:NYC What if the image's connections with New York aren't for the city but for the state? The connected poem reads: Preiss posted:In the shadow What if thats referring to how the city always eclipses the rest of the state? My theory with this is that there is that email where Preiss claims that the verses play an important role in the puzzles. The verse for 12 reads: Preiss posted:A Topaz is the Russian prize: Well, sunstone is a completely different gem than a Topaz. Incidently, there are significant sunstone deposits near Crown Point (royal), New York. Crown point is also the site of one of two bridges (slender path) across Lake Champlain, which was a toll bridge (arm that extends over) until 1987. Some of the other lines aren't a stretch, but I don't have any good suggestions. e: There's an old fort near the bridge, and a monument to Champlain, but I'm not sure either are helpful.
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stab posted:if we go north past the church door, it brings us to the second park where macdonald is. what about giant pole giant step? thats what is bugging me, was there or is there a giant pole there? im guessing veres 7 is very close based off the last observations... Heh. Maybe they were where that new skyscraper is SE the Du Monde Cathedral. Speaking of which, if you get the chance to take some more pictures of Place du Canada can you take some clear ones of these? On Street View this looks like you can use the stones under the alcove thing to match the lower part of the geometric bit in the legeater square. Maybe the round bit at the top of the object in the picture is supposed to be the alcove, and the next row down is the light colored stone right below the alcove:  Looking at it from up the street a bit it looks looks like it may fit pretty closely.  Here it is with a rough outline of what I hope shows up in a good photo.  From the picture:  Also, it looks like there might be some interesting detail on this grill.  Coincidentally, I think that this is roughly where the hoof in the picture would touch if the legeater square in the picture were to be laid over the Golden Square Mile.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Guys, I think I finally figured out what that wierd tree-branch shape on the left side of the Cask 8 painting is supposed to be... Or the letter "J"
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Jun 10, 2013 08:57
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Guuse posted:Montreal That 7 is definitely the rune for L, the runic P stands for W (or v is also accepted). I can buy into the X being the month determiner for this cask which is October.
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crashdome posted:I'll try and do that. When I saw it, I was in a hurry to get somewhere. It got me very excited but, the problem is that there are no culverts directly near it and no obvious "grand 200". I mean, it should be obvious for the rest of the clues but, I just don't see any along the lake front except the multitude of bridges, culverts, and staircases. Which I also had a thought... what if he meant 1,000 and 200? (i.e. 1200) What if the "grand 200" is to me "thousand of 200", so maybe not stairs, since 2k steps is a long, but 2k of something associated with 200. (again, I have no clue what that 200 would be tho). I'm just trying to see if there is another meaning by the "grand 200". Troubleshooting in ya will!
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Montreal Proposed solution! Guuse posted:
The more I think about that is totally the right cathedral for Sounds from the sky Near ace is high That window really looks a lot like an ace of clubs. Running north, but first across In jewel's direction Is an object Of Twain's attention We're already at a cathedral. So how about the St. Lawrence River for the object of Twain's attention? It's running north just east from here, right? So if we head off in that direction we can take Beaver Hall Rd./McGill and run into Victoria Square. How big is the statue of her there? She looks to be taking a step and is holding a rod, so could she be the "giant pole, giant step?" Maybe the cask is in the direction that she is facing in the park! Or it looks like there is a flower bed at the foot of her monument, so maybe there! Her hands looked interesting in the picture that I saw. Do the finger placements match the ones in the puzzle-pic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Memorial_(Montreal)
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justsomedude posted:Abroad In America' quote I think the most important part of that quote is that it's a reference to a hotel. Possibly to Mount Royal Hotel?
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Nnep posted:
Also, that shows how the Greek theme tied into the picture. So for Montreal we'd be looking for tying in the Netherlands to the clues that are on the picture.
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Cask 11/ Montreal Nnep posted:
Since it was established by Absolute Lithops that the Netherlands are associated with this cask I started going through Netherlands History. 1 quick similarity I see between the picture and history is that 1 of the 12 provinces: North Brabants flag is the "purina" checkerboard. So that matches up. The Coat of Arms has 3 lions two raised on back paws with snarling mouths with tongues, with a middle lion wearings a crown,it has a sword in his right hand and holds 7 arrows in his left hand. The legeaters in a way do resemble the lions from the coat of arms, but it's a bit of a stretch. The motto is "Je Maintrendrai": I will uphold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_the_Netherlands.svg There have been quite a few well known artists including M.C. Escher, Rembrandt, and Van Gogh. The famous philosophers were Erasrius, Descartes', and Van Leeuwenhoek. I also noticed on the Coat Of Arms it has a dome shape, with a crown ontop. One other thing I noticed is that coat of arms has like a "fabric backdrop and it has "folds" on it. It "loosely" resembles the collar on the guy s shirt. I still have a lot more reading to do, it's just too late and I'm getting punchy. There are some similarities, but nothing jumps out like the one I'm quoting, atleast not to me, anyway.
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Jun 10, 2013 10:31
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Copy here for $3 if you're quick. Anyone going to scan in the introduction?
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BJG posted:Copy here for $3 if you're quick. Anyone going to scan in the introduction? I was quick! I wanted to see how the book itself was laid out. I'll scan the intro when it arrives, unless somebody else already has a copy.
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For what it's worth, I took the face in the robe for Cask 12, mirrored it, and lined up the nose to make a complete face.
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Milwaukee A few pictures from Pere Marquette Park. A plaque on a rock on the northwest corner of the park in front of a birch tree.  A birch tree showing the gnarled roots.  A birch tree showing the branches.  Several older birch trees on the north end of the park.  A weird bicentennial plaque near the historical society building. There is buried treasure here!! 
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Very Nice Eraser posted:I was quick! I wanted to see how the book itself was laid out. I'll scan the intro when it arrives, unless somebody else already has a copy. How about the whole rest of the book? What else is there in the 200 pages and why are they being ignored?
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:How about the whole rest of the book? What else is there in the 200 pages and why are they being ignored? I think someone is hiding the pages that have the answers on them.
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GWBBQ posted:For what it's worth, I took the face in the robe for Cask 12, mirrored it, and lined up the nose to make a complete face. so the treasure is in a vagina?
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Guys, I think I finally figured out what that wierd tree-branch shape on the left side of the Cask 8 painting is supposed to be... I was thinking about the birth flower that corresponds to ruby, it's apparently the Larkspur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolida). The problem is that I can make out the flowers in every one of the other pictures, but I don't see it anywhere here. Am I missing something obvious and the tree leaves are supposed to remind you of a larkspur or could it be a clue? Also, the theme of 8 is apparently Arabia from the opening poem, but all I see around Hermann Park are Eastern Asian pavilions.
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PunkNickel posted:
Picking this bit out because the style/colouring of the portrait is very Rembrandt-esque to my mind. The Dutch embassy is not far from the Mount Stephen Club and close to the Three Bares Park that was mentioned earlier.
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GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:I was thinking about the birth flower that corresponds to ruby, it's apparently the Larkspur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolida). The problem is that I can make out the flowers in every one of the other pictures, but I don't see it anywhere here. Am I missing something obvious and the tree leaves are supposed to remind you of a larkspur or could it be a clue? There's one leaf slightly above and to the left of the red 96 that looks like it might be it. Not the one closest to the 96 but the one directly above that. edit - there's actually a second one above and to the left of the 95. Neither look anything like the rest of the leaves and both resemble the flower. Yip Yips fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:How about the whole rest of the book? What else is there in the 200 pages and why are they being ignored? When Egbert, who found the second casque, met Preiss, he asked him a couple of questions. He reported on Q4T that: "Preiss was a very good poker player, and was not giving out any hints about any of the other locations. However, he did confirm my theory that the countries of origin of the faeries do connect with the sites. He also said that the pages following the verses (which make up the bulk of the book) have no connection with the puzzles, and contain no additional clues." Now, the book is in three sections. There's an introductory story about the Fair Folk which includes the reference to the Fountain of Youth in Florida and also other stuff like the litany and this map.  1. Elves, Trolls, Grims, Nissen and Tomtra 2. Vazily, Leshy, Poleviki, Domivye, Vily, Ruskalki, 3. Dwarves, Witchl, Hutchen, Rhine Maidens 4. People O' Peace, Trows, Brownies, Silkies, Kelpies 5. Sidhe, Leprachauns, Fir Darrigs 6. Fairies, Pixies, Hobgoblins, Boggarts 7. Alven, Klabaurtermannikins, Gnomes 8. Korreds, Lutins, Dames Blanches, Loup Garoux 9. Centaurs, Nymphs, Satyrs 10. Hadas, Duende 11. Folletti, Farfarelli, Salvani, Aguane, Linchetti 12. Djinn, Peri, Deevs 13. Tree Fairies This is followed by the twelve images and verses, which are bookended by these two pages:   The bulk of the book is called something like "The Field Guide" and contains humorous descriptions of the Fair Folk of modern times, compiled by some National Lampoon guys like Sean Kelly. There are photographs of dolls made by Jo-Ellen Trilling, who also made the casques, and illustrations by several people including Palencar. The puzzlers at Q4T frowned on any discussion of the book outside the 12 images and verses, discounting it all as irrelevant. This was partly because of Preiss' dismissal of the final section as reported by Egbert. Both the introduction and the lengthy final section contains a lot of weird garbage, frankly. Preiss presumably wrote the introduction. No-one knows how much input, if any, he had on the "field guide". He seems to have taken quite a lot of trouble to work the litany into the pictures via the gemstones and countries, etc., and it's clear that the countries do have some bearing on the puzzle, though arguably we've already applied most of the useful information in that respect in identifying what are very probably the 12 cities. The main reason I'd like to see the introduction online is that it's generally been completely ignored, most of the people who have worked on this book have never even seen it, and no-one can deny that it contains a very obvious hint for the Fountain of Youth in Florida, so it seems reasonable to suppose it might contain other hints as well. The usefulness of the Field Guide is more doubtful, though it does contain some intriguing references; eg it mentions "a French were-mole called La Fayette", Lafayette cropping up as a possible location in both New Orleans and San Fransisco. It would be interesting to get any comment out of Sean Kelly and co about the Field Guide. I tried contacting him once but he didn't reply. There's an email address for him here. I tried messaging another of the illustrators, John Pierard, on Facebook, but he didn't reply either. BJG fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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GWBBQ posted:For what it's worth, I took the face in the robe for Cask 12, mirrored it, and lined up the nose to make a complete face. Yeah all I can see is a giant stone vagina. Nnep fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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GWBBQ posted:For what it's worth, I took the face in the robe for Cask 12, mirrored it, and lined up the nose to make a complete face. Distorted NYC library lion?
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