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Grand Poobah posted:Found this thread interesting despite me not being in a position to give much advice. I figured I would take a look at one of them, and see if I could make any connections. Maybe it spurs some thought... Maybe you could like, read the thread before you post? I dunno, its almost like it's possible this ground has been covered repeatedly and you just wasted your breath on words other people have said.
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einTier posted:It would seem safe to say that this verse matches with the New Orleans, Louisiana picture. Possibly, but not necessarily. It's one clue among many to consider. Guuse posted:This horse is literally running north. Follow it to the cask! I was just wondering something similar about Andrew Jackson's horse. Running north, but first across In jewel's direction Is an object Of Twain's attention We know Twain wrote about everything, and we could get Andrew Jackson from his Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County. quote:Andrew Jackson was the name of the dog that Jim Smiley had...His name, of course, reminds us of the seventh American president of the same name. He's not running north, though he's running across. BJG fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Nesetril posted:Let's go over the current consensus for verse matchings. So, wait... nothing changed in 50 pages? I think there is significant doubt on C11 Boston due to the much stronger C9 Montreal visual link, and the author's statement that appears to point to a treasure in St. Louis. I think we should be looking for visual matches/maps/silhouettes/outlines/etc. in both cities at the very least. Really any image without direct coordinates or visual matches should be in doubt - I'm not entirely sold on NYC myself as the only real visual so far is the Chrysler Building gargoyles, but it's better than we have for some others. edit: It's pouring today, but I'll see what I can do about getting over to Cambridge Common Park. xie fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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xie posted:
If you see a tall early-thirties fella with brown hair/sideburns, gauged ears, and a grey/black jacket taking really specific pictures around Cambridge Common, Charlesgate, or the Fens, say hello. I'm in a meeting right off Copley until 10:30 and will walk immediately to Charlesgate after that.
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I'm at work today in the square, so if you get over there this morning you'll probably beat me anyway.
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I did a quick forum search but maybe did it wrong. Has anyone pointed out that those look like runes?
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Autumn2May posted:NYC stab posted:there was a turkish protest (wtf) outside the church so didnt feel like going around there too much. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3552249 homullus posted:I did a quick forum search but maybe did it wrong. Has anyone pointed out that those look like runes?
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xie posted:I'm at work today in the square, so if you get over there this morning you'll probably beat me anyway. If you're posting from work and you work right on the square, there's only a couple buildings that have offices and I'm one of them right now... Just curious if you might work for a certain publishing company.
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einTier posted:
Great I can forget audubon park. http://goo.gl/maps/3dHGO The place where jewels abound has a park called harlequin park, that figure in the clock is a harlequin. I have a feeling this is going to involve reading up on gemology. Bloke fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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GWBBQ posted:I've gone over street maps and historical imagery as far back as I can for NYC and just about every city in the US with a significant Russian-American population; I haven't found anything past a vague resemblance, especially going on the assumption that the irregularities in the panels behind the bird are significant. oh im very aware of the trouble in Turkey, I was just confused on their choice of location!
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HoboZero posted:If you're posting from work and you work right on the square, there's only a couple buildings that have offices and I'm one of them right now... Just curious if you might work for a certain publishing company. I work for a certain university in the area. Technically I don't work right in the square, but close enough. My copy of the book was waiting for me on my desk when I got back as well
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Neutrino posted:The quickest way to get shut down and/or arrested is to start digging 3-foot deep trenches in parks. I would hope everyone is going to get the location narrowed down to a few feet, do some test probes and then make a subtle hole until they are absolutely sure the box is there. Plus I'm pretty sure the owner(s) of the land you dig at can legally claim to have ownership of anything you dig up if you don't have the proper permit to dig there. Meaning that if your name ends up in a newspaper for finding a cask, you could be sued by the landowner for theft of property, or otherwise be forced to give it over to someone else. If you do your digging at a public place, you could also be sued by the city/park owners/etc. for damage of public property, meaning that you might be forced to pay a fine or spend a night in the clink or something. einTier posted:Because everyone is so interested in the "aquamarine" jewel, here's what the finder of the Cleveland cask had to say about it over at Q4T: Hunh, so I was right about the blue jewel not being an aquamarine. Interesting. Also, Egbert posted:
WHERE WOULD THESE "SOLUTIONS" BE NOW, PRAY TELL??? I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:WHERE WOULD THESE "SOLUTIONS" BE NOW, PRAY TELL??? If I had to guess, I'd say under a bunch of random papers in a box from the author's stuff, or in an unlabelled drawer in the publisher's office annex, or both.
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Any news on Roanoke? That feels like the one we're closest to finding, just need to get some brave soul on the ground to start rooting around for it. I'm convinced the Roanoke one is buried next to one of the ends of the Lost Colony playhouse. I'm in Tennessee though and have no idea when I'll get to go and break some laws digging up their property. Maybe I'll just plan an OBX vacation.
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Houston I am now reasonably certain that the '96' in the painting for Cask 8 corresponds with either a street address or a road... possibly FM 1960 or what used to be US 96. (Note that Interstate 69 did not exist in Texas until just a few years ago, so it probably isn't that.)
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I feel like I should quote myself from a few posts up, and also ask allta to add this to the OP, since it's a point that hasn't been mentioned a whole lot in this thread. GENERAL Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:I'm pretty sure the owner(s) of the land you dig at can legally claim to have ownership of anything you dig up if you don't have the proper permit to dig there. Meaning that if your name ends up in a newspaper for finding a cask, you could be sued by the landowner for theft of property, or otherwise be forced to give it over to someone else. If you do your digging at a public place, you could also be sued by the city/park owners/etc. for damage of public property, meaning that you might be forced to pay a fine or spend a night in the clink or something. So remember kids, illegal digging is BAD, mmmkay!! I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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joshtothemaxx posted:I'm convinced the Roanoke one is buried next to one of the ends of the Lost Colony playhouse. I'm in Tennessee though and have no idea when I'll get to go and break some laws digging up their property. Maybe I'll just plan an OBX vacation.
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The owners of a public park aren't going to aggressively pursue a nearly worthless ceramic cask, I feel fairly confident of this. You definitely need to not get caught doing this though because it's surely illegal.
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I'm liking the 4-foot drill-probe method. You just bring your cordless drill and gently probe down until you hit a rock or broken piece of pottery. A dead giveaway would be some resistance, then finding some plexiglass shreds on the tip on the bit. You'd still need 110% confidence in your location(s) and permission, for legal and safety reasons. Wouldn't want to hit and underground power conduit. I am relieved to read Byron saying that none are anywhere dangerous. It crossed my mind that he could have been one sinister gently caress and wanted to have people blowing up or electrocuting themselves all over the place, but I gather his lawyer would have advised against that.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:
Still, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Too bad she won't let a bunch of internet goons go treasure hunting in her house. It's gotta be easier than figuring out these puzzles.
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Question: In the solved Cleveland image, is the map of Ohio flipped, or is it just not perfect?
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Bloke posted:Great I can forget audubon park. That park is waaaaay on the other side of town. There is no way it's hidden there. It's not even a notable or large park.
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Maguro posted:That park is waaaaay on the other side of town. There is no way it's hidden there. It's not even a notable or large park. That's not really grounds for dismissing it though, we've got to farm these ideas out so that they can be pieced together It could be the start of the trail, the treasure could still be in loving audubon park.
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I've seen this start of the trail thing said a bunch of times in this thread but none of the casks that were discovered really had trails that led over half of a city. It's one of those things people keep saying to be lazy because they've solved 3 clues out of 30 and still want to sell their idea. In the case of the cleveland one, basically every visual clue in the painting was from the very gardens where the cask was buried.
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Solving 3 clues out of 30 is fine if it means someone else can pick it up and run with it, it's supposed to be a team effort after all.einTier posted:The "absent-minded professor" Preiss lost them at some point. He thought they were in the vault, but they weren't. He assumed them must be in the closet at home. His widow says she didn't find anything. I'm starting to think he wasn't accidentally killed Bloke fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Houston Verse 1 says "perspective should not be lost" Look at this image of four of the five poles at Tranquility Park. Now, look at this section of the Houston image: What if Tranquility Park looks like that from some angle? There's definitely a short pillar that's on a lower platform quite a ways from the others. Maybe something approximating this view as you walk on the crosswalk from Tranquility Park to Hermann Square Park? http://goo.gl/maps/r0XZb Also, the last Apollo mission took place in December of 1972. Our strongest tower of delight Falls gently In December night Tallest tower - Saturn V? Falls gently - program ended? Last flight? einTier fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Cask 6 / Saint Augustine Today I spoke with John Fraser, the owner of the Fountain of Youth Archaeological Park property, who has owned the grounds since the 80s and is very familiar with The Secret. First, the bad news. He has had people inquiring about The Secret on and off since the 80s. Many people have come with probes and gone over every interesting part of the park over the years. The most promising sites were investigated with metal detectors and quite a bit of official digging was even conducted in the exact area I suggested, back when they happened to be doing some pipe work nearby. Nothing has ever been found. Now the worse news. In recent times he has only had two people nicely ask permission to explore/dig: myself and somebody else. Many other people have showed up unannounced, without permission, and started tearing up the ground. This is a problem, because the site has actual historical artifacts, including Indian remains. Additionally, the park borders residential property and neighbors complained about folks sneaking around. It got bad enough that the park had to spend a lot of money installing security cameras and hiring a night watchman, but people still show up. Therefore he will not be granting anyone permission to probe or dig in the near future. Finally, some good news. Given his familiarity with the park and The Secret, he says he is 99% sure he knows where the cask is buried. He may at some point try digging in that area, if he decides its not a risk to the grounds or any historical artifacts. If so, he said he'll give me word so I can come participate. Additionally, I asked him if he'd be willing to put together a short write-up on the effort he's put into it for this thread, so that (1) we can more-or-less put Cask 6 to bed, and (2) to discourage folks from doing illicit digging. He said he'd be happy to, and I'm going to follow up with him via email. Does anyone have any specific questions they want me to pass on to him?
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One of my friends is a trained, college educated archeologist. I can say they aren't well paid and work is scarce. If ensuring a "proper" dig in the area he suspects is the only thing holding him back, I can't imagine that we couldn't put together a fund to send someone out there to oversee it. Plus, if it could be found, that would stop everyone from digging in his park entirely.
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Very Nice Eraser posted:Cask 6 / Saint Augustine Ask him if I can come along with you. I can even bring some equipment and/or help you guys pay for gas if you want. If my name is mentioned in an article saying I found one cask and assisted in finding another, I might be able to put that poo poo on my resume. "Yeah so these riddles were going unsolved for like three decades and so I just kinda like solved one and helped out on another in like 2 weeks cuz I'm creamy smooth like that, no big deal no big whoop also I can start tomorrow." I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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I suppose you could, but I think this is supposed to be fun, not resume-building. Also I wouldn't count on any of these being found, so you may want to have a backup cornerstone of your resume/future fame and fortune.
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Even if Dr. Gitmo does have a spiffy resume (complete with a successful Secret find) to apply working for Capt. Jack Sparrow as a treasure-finderer, I think the pirate industry tends to go off references when considering applicants.
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einTier posted:One of my friends is a trained, college educated archeologist. I can say they aren't well paid and work is scarce. If ensuring a "proper" dig in the area he suspects is the only thing holding him back, I can't imagine that we couldn't put together a fund to send someone out there to oversee it. Well he's not quite as excited about it as we are here, and I think all the folks digging unauthorized have annoyed him, so I don't think treasure hunting is really at the top of his todo list right now. He did say that he likes the idea of finding it because it's compelling history. Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Ask him if I can come along with you. I can even bring some equipment and/or help you guys pay for gas if you want. If/when he sets something up I'll post it here and we'll make a day out of it; I'm sure he won't mind having more ticket-paying visitors, so long as nobody shows up with a backhoe. Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:If my name is mentioned in an article saying I found one cask and assisted in finding another, I might be able to put that poo poo on my resume. Me: "Yeah I guess it took Brian Zinn 20 years to find the Cleveland cask? I mean, I found cask 6 in two weeks, but you know, whatever." Her: "Do me. Do me right now."
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Peenigrippe posted:Even if Dr. Gitmo does have a spiffy resume (complete with a successful Secret find) to apply working for Capt. Jack Sparrow as a treasure-finderer, I think the pirate industry tends to go off references when considering applicants. The idea is that I would list it as an independent/personal project and use it to show volunteer work and/or problem-solving ability. I'm a CS major right now and employers tend to like that kind of stuff. Obviously though, the more casks I find, the better my resume would look. And if my planned Houston expedition is successful, then I may be able to parlay that into good nice cash money fundage for trips to New Orleans and Clarleston and Roanoke and the like. TotalHell posted:I suppose you could, but I think this is supposed to be fun, not resume-building. But it IS fun. Actually the resume-building is something I use to justify going to Houston in my mind. If it isn't successful then all I've really lost are about $20 bucks in gas.
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Houston I'm just throwing out ideas and interesting things I find. The two tallest buildings downtown are the JP Morgan Chase Tower and the Enterprise Plaza building. The latter was completed in 1980 and is shorter, but was definitely standing when Preiss was writing his books. Chase Tower is a little more problematic. It was completed in 1982, the same year the book was published. However, the 75th and top floor was under construction in 1981, and the building under construction for years before that, so it's not inconceivable that this was Preiss' "tallest tower". More interesting, it connects to the Houston Underground, is near Tranquility Park, and has this interesting sculpture out front, called "Personnage with Birds". It has three wings and is noted for being thin. "The piece is the largest Miró ever commissioned (it is 35 feet wide at its base and stands 55 feet tall), but despite the colossal size, it seems lightweight, as if it could start walking across the plaza at any moment. " Unfortunately, it was installed in April of 1982, so it's extremely questionable if this is what the lines refer to. It's possible that the book was published in late 1982 and that this was one of the last casks buried or that Preiss became aware of the pending installation of the sculpture during his research of nearby landmarks. If he did, he could predict that it would be there in time for the book's release.
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Bloke posted:Great I can forget audubon park. But anyway, I think the woman in Cask 12 could be Columbia, the national personification of the US. Columbia Protecting Sceince and Industry - Smithsonian Arts and Industries building. This is the closest to the picture from the book I can find. The building's windows and arches match the shape of the painting as well as any others we've found. Here's the building back in the 70s A couple of statues of Columbia that aren't such close matches just to show how she's depicted. At the Pearl Harbor Memorial In Washington DC, formerly behind the Speaker of the House's seat in the House of Representatives (not sure where the statue is now.) GWBBQ fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Very Nice Eraser posted:
that's exciting as hell, it's a pity (though not surprising) he's become jaded by the unauthorized diggers.
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You should sell it to him as a way to stop unauthorized diggers. Find the cask and they'll have no reason to come back.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:
I thought I was following this thread pretty closely, but this confuses me, are you one of the original 2 guys that's found one and the Houston one is your assist, or...?
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Pick posted:You should sell it to him as a way to stop unauthorized diggers. Find the cask and they'll have no reason to come back. Exactly. Finding the cask will rid him of the source of his frustration.
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Greetings everyone. I am Rook and I am from TX. I saw this site thanks to White Rabbit over at Q4T. I have been working on this hunt for over a year and have made good progress. I like the organization of this site which is not unlike the methods I used to solve some of the puzzles. I am currently planning a Houston dig but am uncertain if I will get permission to dig. I do really believe that there are two or three treasure locations already solved, there just needs some digging to be done. Please let me know if you need any assistance or have any questions.
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