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So here's an idea I had, since Kanaya's on Jade's planet, is technically dead, and also a space hero, would she go God Tier if she took a nap on Jade's quest bed?
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sitchelin posted:So here's an idea I had, since Kanaya's on Jade's planet, is technically dead, and also a space hero, would she go God Tier if she took a nap on Jade's quest bed? No. Her dream self is dead so she can't God tier the normal way. If there's an appropriate bed for her in the alpha session's Prospit then perhaps, but not otherwise. We don't know what happens if you use another session's quest bed.
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Jun 15, 2013 14:01
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Pyradox posted:No. Her dream self is dead so she can't God tier the normal way. If there's an appropriate bed for her in the alpha session's Prospit then perhaps, but not otherwise. We don't know what happens if you use another session's quest bed. I might be spacing out on it, but have we seen someone get a tiger with a destroyed dreamself?
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Jun 15, 2013 14:06
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RickoniX posted:I might be spacing out on it, but have we seen someone get a tiger with a destroyed dreamself?
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Jun 15, 2013 14:19
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Nate RFB posted:That would be Jake. His dreamself was dead but whole at the time of his god-tiering, wasn't it?
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Jun 15, 2013 14:20
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Technically, I suppose. For all we know Jack blasting apart most of Prospit could've destroyed it anyway though.
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Jun 15, 2013 14:24
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Quest Beds require you to have a living (or resurrected) Dreamself, which we assume the trolls don't have. Quest Slabs only seem to require that you die on then with your "last life", but this is a moot point, since: A) The quest slabs in the alpha session (void, heart, life, hope) don't match up with the remaining alive non-godtier trolls (blood, mind, space, doom) B) Those all got destroyed anyway. The only way Karkat and company are going godtier is with a narrative asspull, like a new game mechanic, or some very long-term oceans eleven -style sneakiness. I do find it interesting, though, that all the remaining alive, non-godtier trolls (Karkat, Terezi, Kanaya, Sollux, Gamzee) are all Prospit dreamers. That might mean something.
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Jun 15, 2013 16:29
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The Alphas were using Quest Crypts, which don't require you to have both selves alive. Aradia had the same thing happen, and its also how Rose and Dave God Tiered. e: f;b
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Jun 15, 2013 16:30
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Wait, when did we learn that normal quest beds require a dreamself to be alive?
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Jun 15, 2013 16:41
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Tunicate posted:Wait, when did we learn that normal quest beds require a dreamself to be alive? I can't recall the exact point, but some time in act five-two. We see from John and Vriska's godtiering that you wake up in the dreamself body. Vriska says that it's "too late" for the others to godtier now that Jack killed their dreamselves (she didn't know about Quest Slabs, but those also got destroyed). Slightly related, Hussie once answered in a q/a that if Sollux had died in his quest bed with both dreamselves alive, both would have godtiered. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jun 15, 2013 |
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Jun 15, 2013 16:48
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Bobulus posted:Slightly related, Hussie once answered in a q/a that if Sollux had died in his quest bed with both dreamselves alive, both would have godtiered. And then fought to the death.
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Jun 15, 2013 16:54
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Bobulus posted:Quest Beds require you to have a living (or resurrected) Dreamself, which we assume the trolls don't have. Well, there is that (dumb, stupid, dumb) fantheory of Mituna's 'great, mysterious, sacrifice' as propelling the dancestor Prospit into the furthest ring so that it can (somehow???) show up in the B2 session. It would conveniently have quest slabs matching the aspects of the living trolls.
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Jun 15, 2013 17:04
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AriadneThread posted:Well, there is that (dumb, stupid, dumb) fantheory of Mituna's 'great, mysterious, sacrifice' as propelling the dancestor Prospit into the furthest ring so that it can (somehow???) show up in the B2 session. It would conveniently have quest slabs matching the aspects of the living trolls. Yeah, I've heard of it. But I agree it would be rather far-fetched. Hell, if we're going to go that far, we could go farther and speculate that Mituna did the double-godtier thing, and one stayed behind to get brain damage and the other went with Beforus-Prospit as part of some grand master plan. But then we're just descending into the realm of silliness.
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Jun 15, 2013 17:17
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Dolash posted:It might be interesting if the story is forced to finish without John, now. Like, Caliborn is destroying the very fabric of the narrative (removing the protagonist, splitting up the group, gumming up any attempt at progress) and our heroes have to win with what they've got left. Bobulus posted:
Hell, the spacetime glitches caused by the candycorn/stardust could change things as well.
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Jun 15, 2013 18:03
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Sadly the remaining trolls can't go God Tier since that would mean Karkat gets to fly, and Paradox Space can't have that.
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Jun 15, 2013 18:03
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Considering how much Karkat has mellowed out in the last few years, if blood powers are indeed about relationships/leadership/command, I imagine he might actually do the Bloody Thing sometime soon. The only reason I could see him going godtier before the story ends is if Andrew can't resist showing explicitly how blood powers work.
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Jun 15, 2013 18:29
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Tunicate posted:Wait, when did we learn that normal quest beds require a dreamself to be alive? Well, specifically the way it works is that your normal self dies on it then your dream self goes god tier. If you only have one or the other, that's impossible.
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Jun 15, 2013 18:32
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Bobulus posted:The only reason I could see him going godtier before the story ends is if Andrew can't resist showing explicitly how blood powers work. We've basically got as much explanation for Blood as any power aside from Breath, Light, and Time, which have all been made pretty explicit by this point. Hell, even Space is unclear because Jade herself doesn't know where her powers end and where Bec's powers begin.
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Jun 15, 2013 18:35
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The fun/frustrating thing about our knowledge of game mechanics is that the flow of knowledge goes Doc Scratch -> Rose -> Rose's FAQ -> Kanaya -> Rose -> Rose's book -> Calliope -> Alpha kids so there's wiggle room where there could be whole systems that no one bothered to learn about, or half-truths that DS told that hide important features. No one knew about Quest Slabs until it happened to Dave and Rose because Aradia didn't bother to mention it to anyone, for example. WhiffleballDude posted:We've basically got as much explanation for Blood as any power aside from Breath, Light, and Time, which have all been made pretty explicit by this point. Hell, even Space is unclear because Jade herself doesn't know where her powers end and where Bec's powers begin. I feel like Karkat is in a position where he feels less useful than others in combat situations. He can't shout the humans around the way he did his troll team back in the day. And he no longer has his version of Jack as an ace in the hole. (Well, he does, he just doesn't know it yet). So I could see him getting some blood-based upgrade to highlight how much he's grown as a person in the last three years. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jun 15, 2013 |
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Jun 15, 2013 18:38
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Hey, there's that folder again. Maybe we'll get to find out what's in it eventually.
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Jun 16, 2013 00:44
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Roxy doesn't seem particularly nervous about the current situation.
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Jun 16, 2013 00:46
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While I read these glitchy updates, I've got the Squiddles album queued up. Really adds to the fun.LOCUST FART HELL posted:Roxy doesn't seem particularly nervous about the current situation. Roxy is probably one of those people that babbles when she is nervous. Like Dave. edit: For everyone worried about John, he's right there!  
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Jun 16, 2013 00:47
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Huh. I was wondering what that white circle thing meant. Well that sure is a mystery that wasn't even a mystery solved!  Jane wasn't carrying a folder to Jake like how Jade was to Roxy, so I wonder if Condesce's plans for him are different than her plans for Roxy. If they both had the same plans then it would make sense to give them both the folder.
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Jun 16, 2013 00:47
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:Roxy doesn't seem particularly nervous about the current situation. I think that once a certain amount of crazy poo poo happens, you decide to just fuckin' roll with it. I think this is where Roxy is in her life right now.
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Jun 16, 2013 00:51
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I want to hear all about these 'person things'. Do go on, Jade. 
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Jun 16, 2013 01:09
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I'm really liking how the corruption in the past few pages really does resemble Genesis-esque cartridge errors instead of the PSX-style goofing we saw back when the disc got scratched. The only problem is I'm dying trying to figure out how he creates that effect, and I can't think of any easy way to make it look so authentic short of borking an emulator and applying hue/saturation to whatever comes out.
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Jun 16, 2013 01:19
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:Roxy doesn't seem particularly nervous about the current situation. You know, I did seem to remember something about Roxy being basically the best 100% of the time + just not giving a gently caress. Good to see my memory hadn't failed me. Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Hey, there's that folder again. Maybe we'll get to find out what's in it eventually. A poo poo ton of glitter.
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Jun 16, 2013 01:21
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Ariong posted:A poo poo ton of glitter. Glitter and dance clowns. Worst fuckin' secret jam ever.
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Jun 16, 2013 01:41
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I bet next we zoom back out and get to choose between Dirk, Bec and PM, Spades Slick, and Jack English. Or some subset of the four. Er, five.
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Jun 16, 2013 01:50
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Castomira posted:I'm really liking how the corruption in the past few pages really does resemble Genesis-esque cartridge errors instead of the PSX-style goofing we saw back when the disc got scratched. The only problem is I'm dying trying to figure out how he creates that effect, and I can't think of any easy way to make it look so authentic short of borking an emulator and applying hue/saturation to whatever comes out. Makes me think of some of the more outlandish gameboy / NES era glitches, because back then they had no error checking on their games. http://www.viddler.com/v/1512ff92 (This might be a good time to recommend Let's Break Pokemon Blue to anyone who hasn't read it yet.)
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Jun 16, 2013 01:50
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Blackheart posted:Sadly the remaining trolls can't go God Tier since that would mean Karkat gets to fly, and Paradox Space can't have that.
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Jun 16, 2013 03:00
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Castomira posted:I'm really liking how the corruption in the past few pages really does resemble Genesis-esque cartridge errors instead of the PSX-style goofing we saw back when the disc got scratched. The only problem is I'm dying trying to figure out how he creates that effect, and I can't think of any easy way to make it look so authentic short of borking an emulator and applying hue/saturation to whatever comes out. Here's a whole boatload of 'em in one video. This guy did a whole series of them, this is Knuckles in Sonic 2.
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Jun 16, 2013 03:03
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 So uh is this a cell window or what? EDIT: how did I fuckin' miss Bobulus editing that into his post, sorry about that. 
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Jun 16, 2013 03:22
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Hey, there's that folder again. Maybe we'll get to find out what's in it eventually. 
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Jun 16, 2013 03:34
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Rorus Raz posted:Alternatively, it would be hilarious for him to hit god tier and discover that Blood is the only aspect that cannot fly. Well, it does seem to involve trust in others, among other things. You have to really trust someone before you allow them to fly you somewhere, I imagine. Color Printer posted:
Maybe. Or maybe it's something much more important. Bobulus posted:edit: For everyone worried about John, he's right there! If it is John, this gives him the chance to gather intel on Condy's plans completely unnoticed.
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Jun 16, 2013 03:36
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Looks like Jade kicked John into a fine blue mist
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Jun 16, 2013 03:40
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Okay so we know where everyone except John is, right? Rose and Terezi: LOLAR Dave and the Mayor: LOHAC Karkat and Kanaya: LOFAF Jade, Jane, Jake, and Roxy: Derse Gamzee: makeout meteor Dirk and three different Jack Noirs: Outside of the session John: ???
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Jun 16, 2013 03:43
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SteelAngel2000 posted:Okay so we know where everyone except John is, right? Actually, Gamzee must have gotten off of make out meteor at some point in order to travel back in time and gently caress with the sprites. Also I just realized something. How the hell did Jade get back from earth?
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Jun 16, 2013 03:53
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Ariong posted:Actually, Gamzee must have gotten off of make out meteor at some point in order to travel back in time and gently caress with the sprites. It hasn't been shown but simplest path would be: Ride Makeout Meteor to B2 Earth --> Use space powers to pull the frog temple from the ocean --> Shrink B2 Earth to pocketmonster size because reasons --> Use the frog temple transporter
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Ariong posted:Actually, Gamzee must have gotten off of make out meteor at some point in order to travel back in time and gently caress with the sprites.
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