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Tae posted:Who are they again? Honestly can't remember. Rey, Talia, Durandal.
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Jun 16, 2013 07:48
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Kanos posted:Rey, Talia, Durandal. Oh. Well to be fair, Rey kinda killed them because he shot Durandal and then all 3 decided to suicide-stay in the fortress. Kira wasn't going to shoot.
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Jun 16, 2013 07:51
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Kanos posted:Now you can feel sympathy for Shinn as all his hopes and dreams and everything he's put his life into are dashed into pieces. Watch as his best friend, his commander, and the closest thing he's got to a father figure are killed by the man directly responsible for the death of his real family and Stellar. Absorb the pathos as Shinn is left broken and sobbing like a child in the arms of the only person left in the world who gives a drat about him while his entire life burns down around him due to the actions of the people who helped to ruin his life to begin with. If you put it like that, it sounds like Kira is at fault. By definition, anything Kira Yamato does is correct so if he completely hosed over Shinn then Shinn was obviously a villain.
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Jun 16, 2013 07:55
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Serious Frolicking posted:If you put it like that, it sounds like Kira is at fault. By definition, anything Kira Yamato does is correct so if he completely hosed over Shinn then Shinn was obviously a villain. In Kira Christ's name we pray, amen. While we're on the subject I described how Luna and Shinn end up together to a friend and she said "Whelp, I'm sorry but she's officially the worst sister ever!" Stuff like that makes it really drat hard for me to like Lunamaria as much as I do. TARDISman fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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Jun 16, 2013 08:23
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I'm going to watch Seed Destiny soon. I don't want to wait for the HD remaster, I need terrible anime in my veins RIGHT NOW. After finishing Seed last year it was so bad that it made me make a personal breakthrough in my life so I'm expecting some transcendental poo poo
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Jun 16, 2013 08:56
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Seed Destiny is the one bad anime that delivers. You won't be disappointed.TARDISman posted:In Kira Christ's name we pray, amen. While we're on the subject I described how Luna and Shinn end up together to a friend and she said "Whelp, I'm sorry but she's officially the worst sister ever!" Stuff like that makes it really drat hard for me to like Lunamaria as much as I do. It really was the silliest thing. "I... I killed your sister and your crush." "Let's make out."
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Jun 16, 2013 09:16
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BlitzBlast posted:It really was the silliest thing. In Lunamaria's defense, she was a really good friend of Shinn for a pretty long time, had been informed that Meyrin and Athrun had betrayed them all, and saw that Shinn was just as absolutely devastated by it as she was and really obviously upset about having to do it. She was sort of getting hammerblow after hammerblow of awful news and Shinn was pretty much the only shoulder left for her to cry on.
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Jun 16, 2013 09:28
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Kanos posted:In Lunamaria's defense, she was a really good friend of Shinn for a pretty long time, had been informed that Meyrin and Athrun had betrayed them all, and saw that Shinn was just as absolutely devastated by it as she was and really obviously upset about having to do it. She was sort of getting hammerblow after hammerblow of awful news and Shinn was pretty much the only shoulder left for her to cry on. The scene where Luna breaks down and starts crying in Shinn's arms works. The scene everyone is talking about... doesn't.
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Jun 16, 2013 09:43
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Pureauthor posted:The scene where Luna breaks down and starts crying in Shinn's arms works. Everyone on the Minerva basically went off the deep end writing-wise after Operation Angel Down. I'm just trying to rationalize something that doesn't deserve defending.  It does totally make sense for them to hook up, but that scene was really badly timed.
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Jun 16, 2013 10:57
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I forgot that Meyrin died and that she was Lunamaria's sister.
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Jun 16, 2013 11:09
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Serious Frolicking posted:I forgot that Meyrin died and that she was Lunamaria's sister. She didn't actually die, they just thought she did. She became Athrun's new love interest or something.
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Jun 16, 2013 11:18
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Kanos posted:She didn't actually die, they just thought she did. She became Athrun's new love interest or something. Team Cagalli 
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Jun 16, 2013 11:24
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Lunas sister really wanted to bone athrun even though they had like two conversions ever and he was a terrorist who killed his own father, so she committed treason for him. As far as realistic portrayal of relationships in Seed Destiny I would rank it somewhere in the middle.
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Jun 16, 2013 11:30
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Cromlech posted:I'm going to watch Seed Destiny soon. I don't want to wait for the HD remaster, I need terrible anime in my veins RIGHT NOW. After finishing Seed last year it was so bad that it made me make a personal breakthrough in my life so I'm expecting some transcendental poo poo Super loving pro-tip, watch the movies. They fix a lot of the mistakes, some animation errors, but their greatest virtue is cutting down the SEED D experience to only a few hours.
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Jun 16, 2013 13:26
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Popehoist posted:Super loving pro-tip, watch the movies. They fix a lot of the mistakes, some animation errors, but their greatest virtue is cutting down the SEED D experience to only a few hours. "Pro-tip, watch the movies. Here are three reasons why, based on your stated motivation for watching Destiny, you shouldn't watch the movies."
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Jun 16, 2013 15:28
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Kanos posted:Now you can feel sympathy for Shinn as all his hopes and dreams and everything he's put his life into are dashed into pieces. Watch as his best friend, his commander, and the closest thing he's got to a father figure are killed by the man directly responsible for the death of his real family and Stellar. Absorb the pathos as Shinn is left broken and sobbing like a child in the arms of the only person left in the world who gives a drat about him while his entire life burns down around him due to the actions of the people who helped to ruin his life to begin with. On the flip side his father figure is a suave and even more emotionally manipulative Gendo Ikari and his friend is another in the line of mentally unstable clones with a history of going insane and doing horrible poo poo. Shin wasn't getting out of this with a happy ending even if Kira wasn't on a personal mission to ruin that kid's life.
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Jun 16, 2013 15:41
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I think it's pretty reasonable to say that Shin could have gotten a less crappy ending, it would just involve Shin basically finally deciding to do something besides follow orders and be angry. Which is where he would have gone in a better series. Likewise I don't think "Shin's life sucks and then he dies" would inherently be a terrible way for a better-written series to go. Following a guy who ends up basically being Jerid Messa but written more sympathetically could be interesting, but they never actually managed to do that.
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Jun 16, 2013 17:33
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The main problem with Shinn's character in Destiny is that, shockingly, the writer didn't care about him. Nobody cared about him enough to give him the necessary development to address his faults (which would have been as easy as a) make Stella a little sister figure b) have Shinn successfully save her in some contrived fashion that involves sacrificing his phone), and nobody cared about him enough to follow through on the fact that Destiny is life taking an endless string of dumps on him. If I remember right, Shinn breaks down in tears near the end of the final episode, with his whole life going down in ruins around him... and three minutes later he's totally fine and happy to work with Kira. If the new thing turns out to be a SEED movie, it honestly might be for the best if Shinn turns into a villain. At least then he'll have to get some attention from the writers.
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Jun 16, 2013 17:46
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They do address his faults though, by the end of the show they have him get over not liking Kira. Which is not only treated as the worst of his faults but ties into the main theme of the show, which is that Kira Yamato is the smartest coolest guy and everyone who doesn't like him is an evil stupidhead.
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Jun 16, 2013 19:27
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Pureauthor posted:The scene where Luna breaks down and starts crying in Shinn's arms works. Yeah I showed her that scene and she said that that makes a bit of sense considering the both of them are just broken shells of people at that point. She promptly changed her view back to the original when I showed her the scene where they did hook up.
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Jun 16, 2013 20:15
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Clever Spambot posted:They do address his faults though, by the end of the show they have him get over not liking Kira. Which is not only treated as the worst of his faults but ties into the main theme of the show, which is that Kira Yamato is the smartest coolest guy and everyone who doesn't like him is an evil stupidhead. Shinn immediately forgiving Kira always had a creepy vibe of duress to it to me. Since the transition is "Kira and company destroy Shinn's entire life and everything he ever believed in and leave him a sobbing wreck" followed by five minutes passing and then suddenly Shinn "forgives" Kira with no real explanation, it always struck me as Shinn resignedly deciding "Well, this motherfucker's girlfriend literally rules the colonies and this motherfucker's sister literally rules the Earth, so if I want myself and the only remaining person I care about to have a decent life I should probably suck it up and make nice". Bring on the Shinn's Counterattack movie. 
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Jun 17, 2013 00:36
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I would probably forgive every awful thing in Seed and Seed Destiny if that happened.
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Jun 17, 2013 00:38
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But were there any meteors to drop in SEED? gently caress it, it's SEED. Have Shinn try to drop the moon.
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Jun 17, 2013 03:03
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SEED Destiny starts with a colony drop. Coincidentally, Junius 7 was also the last point where the show was actually kind of good.
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Jun 17, 2013 03:06
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If the big reveal winds up being a SEED movie, I think I'm just gonna leave this thread alone for a while. Even if SEED as a whole is better than AGE, following AGE with more SEED is not really a good thing. The next episode of Unicorn can't come fast enough; I'm losing what little faith I had left in the people running this franchise.
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Jun 17, 2013 03:20
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Shinjobi posted:If the big reveal winds up being a SEED movie, I think I'm just gonna leave this thread alone for a while. Even if SEED as a whole is better than AGE, following AGE with more SEED is not really a good thing. The next episode of Unicorn can't come fast enough; I'm losing what little faith I had left in the people running this franchise. Well, don't get too down in your hopes until they announce the staff. With a good director a SEED movie could end up being good. It doesn't have 00's problem of freakish and mostly uninteresting aliens so it is entirely possible you could have some vaguely interesting drama and some decent pew-pew action with that large of a budget. If it gets the SEED destiny staff we're screwed. Keep some burbon on hand. just in case.
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Jun 17, 2013 05:00
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As with a lot of "less-than-literary" Japanese works, the Gundam novels are pretty dryly translated. The best part is the substitution of mechamen for mechanics. I laugh like a loving idiot every time I read that word.
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Jun 17, 2013 05:05
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Caros posted:Well, don't get too down in your hopes until they announce the staff. With a good director a SEED movie could end up being good. It doesn't have 00's problem of freakish and mostly uninteresting aliens so it is entirely possible you could have some vaguely interesting drama and some decent pew-pew action with that large of a budget. A seed movie would have Kira Yamato. If he is his usual perfect self the movie is guaranteed poo poo. If he is not, then the weird japanese fans who can't get enough of him for some reason would start howling for blood.
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Jun 17, 2013 05:18
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Serious Frolicking posted:A seed movie would have Kira Yamato. If he is his usual perfect self the movie is guaranteed poo poo. If he is not, then the weird japanese fans who can't get enough of him for some reason would start howling for blood. They could pull a Setsuna and put him in a coma for 70% of the movie.
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Jun 17, 2013 05:30
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ImpAtom posted:They could pull a Setsuna and put him in a coma for 70% of the movie. That's 30% too less.
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Jun 17, 2013 05:31
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Hopefully this prospective SEED movie would follow SRW UX's example and exile Kira and Lacus to space.
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Jun 17, 2013 06:52
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ImpAtom posted:They could pull a Setsuna and put him in a coma for 70% of the movie. No this is perfect, then he can wake up, use the power of talking to solve the problem then disappear for 60 years with Lacus. Then they both show up at the end and use their Jesus powers to save Shinn from his terminal rage cancer.
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Jun 17, 2013 08:01
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Kira never convinces anyone of anything with talking. It is all stock footage multi-colored beam spam. Enough shots of that and anyone he meets either dies or comes around to his way of thinking.
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Jun 17, 2013 09:44
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The movie is all about Lacus. She goes back to being an idol and sings in the new robot, bringing peace to everyone. Kira and Athrun are not present at all. The movie is 3 hours long.
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Jun 17, 2013 14:00
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Sonata Mused posted:The movie is all about Lacus. She goes back to being an idol and sings in the new robot, bringing peace to everyone. Kira and Athrun are not present at all. The movie is a Lacus Clyne concert. That's it. She dances around on the pink Strike Rouge variant they just disclosed.
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Jun 17, 2013 15:05
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On a slightly more interesting note. Gundam The Origin vol 2 shipped 
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Jun 17, 2013 15:23
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Lostconfused posted:On a slightly more interesting note. Gundam The Origin vol 2 shipped Maybe yours did. Amazon's saying it still won't be ready for another week or so. Still, I'm excited. This is about the point I left off back during its initial US run. I can finally see what's up with this Garma fella.
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Jun 17, 2013 17:54
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Mecha Gojira posted:I can finally see what's up with this Garma fella.
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Do we know the cover art for Volume 3 yet? Because it'd be the greatest drat thing if it was titled Ramba Ral and had either Haro or Sayla on the cover. Or Bright just looking annoyed.
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