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AdjectiveNoun posted:That sounds awfully specific. What anime did that? I'm incredible vary of shounen anime and serious anime in general thanks to that. Thankfully this show at it's worst doesn't come anywhere close to that retarded shitpile.
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Mercrom posted:working for the Führer You will honour the great leader and address President Führer King Bradley by his full title citizen. I'm not even joking. That's his name. Although I think your over-exaggerating a bit there. Edward and Al are just kids at the start who didn't really grasp what they where getting into, and the whole point about Roy's group is that their trying to end all that crap by subverting the government from within. Pensive fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Mercrom posted:FMA. I only saw Brotherhood but the main characters are literally part of a group of elite soldiers working for the Führer whose responsibilities include carrying out genocide, but they still have the standard shounen hesitation when it comes to killing people. That's not subtext. Uh? I don't think Ed or Al ever killed anyone outside of the big bad. They were pretty adamant on not killing anyone thats kinda why they didn't want to use the Philosopher's Stone, composed of thousands of souls, to bring their bodies back. Unless you were talking about Mustang/Hawkeye and even then it was them fighting a civil war. Kild fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 18:09
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Pensive posted:the whole point about Roy's group is that their trying to end all that crap by subverting the government from within. And also to have all female officers wear tiny miniskirts. I love the scenes where Roy gets to goof off. 
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Pensive posted:You will honour the great leader and address President Führer King Bradley by his full title citizen. For anyone currently going cross-eyed, "President Fuhrer" is his title and "King" is his first name.
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Pensive posted:Although I think your over-exaggerating a bit there. Edward and Al are just kids at the start and didn't really grasp what they where getting into Pensive posted:and the whole point about Roy's group is that their trying to end all that crap by subverting the government from within. Anyway that's pretty off-topic. It doesn't feel like Attack on Titan is going in that direction at all, especially since they shat on the whole "mankind uniting under an external threat" thing this episode. Despite being about man-eating giants the show is relatively grounded in reality.
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Jun 17, 2013 18:53
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ViggyNash posted:What do people who have also watched this blind think of the show so far? Also I have Stockholm syndrome from Naruto. I actually watched the time skip filler and didn't quit the show until Shippuden's first filler arc. I also watched all of DBZ. Thus why I feel like we already finished season 1 of Attack on Titan. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 19:23
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Mercrom posted:And they never did. They go on their generic fantasy quest to kill the big bad and the Nazi overtones are forgotten and revealed as the exploitative garbage it is. While I generally like FMA, I do feel that the manga/Brotherhood suffered from an inconsistent tone that sometimes came across as trivializing serious subjects. The first FMA anime is less shonen and focuses more on the flaws of the protagonists. For the record, as someone who read the first few chapters of the Attack on Titan manga but stopped around the material covered by the last couple episodes, I don't have too much of a problem with the pacing, although I also disliked Riko's speech.
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As someone coming in completely blind, I really like show, and don't mind the pacing. I'm looking forward to getting back into the action/despair again, but the cooldown hasn't been bad for me at all. I guess I do understand now why people went crazy waiting for the next episode of Battlestar Galactica, though.
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Adapted shows are pretty hard to discuss when watching them blind, most people who watch usually read ahead. I usually avoid online communities and don't even bring up these shows with my friends since they have the habit of spoiling things. Have the same problem with Game of Thrones and One Piece 
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As someone who hasn't read the manga, I've been losing interest in the show since around the Eren-Titan reveal. Perhaps I was just mislead by the hype, but ever since that episode the shonen-y aspects have been really cranked up. Main character now has a superpower, generic inspirational speeches, etc. That alone wouldn't normally bug me but the show has really been spinning its wheels in the past few episodes. Lots of flashbacks, characters are repeating information that everyone already knows, that sort of thing. I don't care if that stuff was in the manga, it's still padding and the pacing has really suffered for it. And I watched the last 3 episodes all at once so it's not a matter of getting burned out by a weekly wait. But like I said, a lot of it might have been the hype. From all the pre-season chatter people were saying that it was going to be this really dark, grim show with death everywhere. And I guess that's true but with the exception of the first episode, all the deaths have been insignificant characters who only have a name so someone can melodramatically call it out after they die (and that's usually the time when we learn their names). Also the animation goof-ups are getting worse. I know Studio Wit has a gigantic workload with this show, but characters seem to be off-model more often than not, and there have been some cases of characters talking with their mouths shut. The increasing amount of panning still shots aren't exactly helping either, and now even the action scenes are starting to take some rather noticeable shortcuts. Again, normally not something that would completely turn me off, but with that combined with my other gripes I might just wait for the blu-rays. I'm certainly willing to see what happens in the next few episodes, but it's disappointing that I've gone from watching new episodes as soon as they're out to stockpiling episodes to watch for when I'm bored and have nothing else to do.
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Srice posted:As someone who hasn't read the manga, I've been losing interest in the show since around the Eren-Titan reveal. They're just being true to the manga 
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Jun 17, 2013 20:53
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From the sound of it, it seems like the filler is really loving up the tone the original manga struck. There's very little of that generic "war is bad!" or "I will protect you!" crap in the original script; all the characters, the kids included, are usually curt, grim, and resigned to the violence that pervades their lives (or in Eren's case, downright giddy over it). The pall it casts over events lends the story this feeling of desperation that, weirdly enough, never becomes so overbearing that it makes the audience apathetic - these kids just can't catch a loving break, but they always square their jaws and throw themselves into the meat grinder in hopes of making a little more progress this time. The cookie-cutter idealism from the anime filler seems to be hobbling all that, but given the events of the next major arc, I seriously doubt any of that nonsense will last.
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Jun 17, 2013 20:56
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Is it idealism? It seems more realistic to have some kind of rationalization for a bunch of 15 year olds summoning up superhuman courage to fight giant monsters. I thought Pixis's point about the families and friends who aren't fighting was very good for doing that. Other stuff, like Rika's apparently anime-original speech were duds though, I agree. It's just not soon enough to say that this has turned into a "typical shonen." I guess you could second guess Eren's latest roadblock, but maybe it will have a novel and grim resolution? Just don't say you're going to drop the show because of the last couple episodes, and then you won't be pigpiled.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:01
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Srice posted:generic inspirational speeches Mikasa: "Screw you all, stay here while I go kill ALL THE TITANS" - nobody cares Jean: "Are you going to leave your comrades alone? That's it, you coming or what" - they're both nuts but what the hell let's do it Eren: "Kill, kill, kill, I'll kill them all" -  Armin: "I WILL GLADLY DIE A GLORIOUS DEATH BUT PLEASE LISTEN TO MY PLAN FIRST" - gets almost blown to pieces / didn't you see that magnificent salute goddamn how inspirational Pixis: "You can desert if you want to but if you leave your families will be eaten" - gently caress he's right this sucks but I don't have a choice Rico: "Let me tell you about your responsibilities and my friends" - okay, I'll give you that one, it was just dumb
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UP AND ADAM posted:Is it idealism? It seems more realistic to have some kind of rationalization for a bunch of 15 year olds summoning up superhuman courage to fight giant monsters. I thought Pixis's point about the families and friends who aren't fighting was very good for doing that. Other stuff, like Rika's apparently anime-original speech were duds though, I agree. The "superhuman courage" is the sticking point, really. Recent events have shown pretty conclusively that, while the recruits have any number of reasons and rationalizations for fighting the titans, their minds still snap like twigs when the fighting actually starts. Even if they don't collapse into sobbing, delicious wrecks when the giants advance, they become so disorganized and frantic that the battlefield turns into wall-to-wall red stains and chewing noises. Major exceptions have included Mikasa, who's basically emotionally dead besides her co-dependence issues, Eren, whose psychotically gung-ho attitude just got him eaten, and Armin, who's distinguishing himself solely through his ability to keep it together and formulate half-coherent strategies during a crisis. BURNING SHOUNEN SPIRIT in Attack on Titan is only going to make your flesh spicier, and any filler that plays to those generic sources of inspiration is just wasting time.
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Oxxidation posted:From the sound of it, it seems like the filler is really loving up the tone the original manga struck. There's very little of that generic "war is bad!" or "I will protect you!" crap in the original script; all the characters, the kids included, are usually curt, grim, and resigned to the violence that pervades their lives (or in Eren's case, downright giddy over it). The pall it casts over events lends the story this feeling of desperation that, weirdly enough, never becomes so overbearing that it makes the audience apathetic - these kids just can't catch a loving break, but they always square their jaws and throw themselves into the meat grinder in hopes of making a little more progress this time. The cookie-cutter idealism from the anime filler seems to be hobbling all that, but given the events of the next major arc, I seriously doubt any of that nonsense will last. I agree... It seems 80% of the budget for this episode went into 15 seconds of Eren hookshotting his way through the city
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Garnavis posted:I'm also pretty bored by the fat, decadent, out-of-touch king trope. Last episode's Rico speech: filler. Last episode's Mikasa/Eren argument: filler. That ENTIRE SCENE with the fat nobleman and Pixis many episodes ago: filler. Mikasa and the pomegranate and ninja-dodging the Titan when Eren-titan shows up: filler. Many parts/slow pans/flashbacks/etc of Mikasa/Armin/Eren and the scared sergeant dude when they were cornered: filler, though the manga did spend two entire chapters on that part I think. Just gonna say, if you read this and the above are some of your least favorite parts of the show, you may want to read the manga. I'm not saying DO IT DO IT DO IT NOW or anything, but just pointing out that there are some flaws to the show that are not from the original product. Mercrom posted:maybe there's even a point to the glacial pacing. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 21:23
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It's slightly mitigated by the fact that the average AoT chapter is 2-3 times the length of something like One Piece or Naruto. Then again, an awful lot of that extra length is used in the action scenes, which have been a little sparse recently.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:30
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Oxxidation posted:BURNING SHOUNEN SPIRIT in Attack on Titan is only going to make your flesh spicier, and any filler that plays to those generic sources of inspiration is just wasting time. I see. Well, I agree, but I thought Pixis's speech at least gave an acceptable reason why the masses of Trost veterans weren't about to go cower with their families/sacks of potatoes. They probably could make a cool, more accurate story about how distraught the last human stronghold on Earth would be, but I am fine with the lapse in realism to prevent things from becoming hysterically bad, and preserving the significance of the Titan mystery plot.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:32
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I like the part where the giant breaks stuff.
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Captain Invictus posted:That ENTIRE SCENE with the fat nobleman and Pixis many episodes ago: filler. So that was just some noble, not actually the king? I guess I was just making assumptions. If so, I'm glad, and I actually prefer the king himself remaining faceless.
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Captain Invictus posted:Okay, so here's the thing. Which sort of makes sense for One Piece since it is weekly by doing that they remove any chance of catching up with the source material. But that doe snot work for AoT, it is monthly so I am at a loss why they would not just manage episodes in a way to just pace the story well, even if not the same as the Manga, the Training Arc Flashbacks for example which could be seen as improvement in some ways pacing wise. But what they are doing now does not really add to the overall pacing and just feels weird and jarring.
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MadHat posted:Which sort of makes sense for One Piece since it is weekly by doing that they remove any chance of catching up with the source material. But that doe snot work for AoT, it is monthly so I am at a loss why they would not just manage episodes in a way to just pace the story well, even if not the same as the Manga, the Training Arc Flashbacks for example which could be seen as improvement in some ways pacing wise. But what they are doing now does not really add to the overall pacing and just feels weird and jarring. It probably has to do with where the plot in the manga is right now. They really should have waited a year or two until they had a proper stopping point. At the current rate, barring an animé original ending, it looks like their planning on finishing at the end of the second arc. This would leave the series on a massive cliffhanger, but they don't really have a choice because there isn't really anywhere else they could end a 26 episode series. SnK needs to be a longer series, but there just isn't enough material to do that yet, so they're left stretching out the first two arcs. Their basically covering in 13 episodes what they could do in 10 or 11. Pensive fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Garnavis posted:So that was just some noble, not actually the king? I guess I was just making assumptions. If so, I'm glad, and I actually prefer the king himself remaining faceless. The king lives in the very center of the entire country. That guy was only in charge of the Trost district. He was the governor, basically.
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Captain Invictus posted:Okay, so here's the thing. Another great reason why I don't like this show anymore: this director is terrible. I don't mind additions or filler so long as they add something/are interesting in their own right. But the filler in this show is beyond terrible and pointless. Although I'll admit that I kind of liked the bit with Pixis playing chess with the nobleman because it added a bit to the setting, but that was really a strange place to shove it in since I all but forgot about him until he randomly shows up deus ex machina style to save Armin.
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It's not all filler just because it wasn't in the manga. The original guy has said he's asked specifically for certain scenes to be added to the anime because he wanted to "fix" things in hindsight, or elaborate on things. Like the flowers a couple of episodes ago. This director isn't inherently terrible either. His work with Kurozuka was pretty goshdarn good, for instance.
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We're talking a handful of scenes of "filler." "Filler" usually means whole episodes or even seasons of stories that have to keep the characters exactly where they were at the beginning, removing any chance for them to change and reducing them to repetitions of known traits. This is such a mild issue in the series that your reaction seems out of proportion; it's like you came into this expecting some sort of transformative experience that would bring about world peace through sheer narrative excellence, and that as a result, in the immortal words of Robert Van Winkle, "anything less than the best is a felony."
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But the sections that were't in the manga, from what has been said wasn't in the manga at least, have all been out of place and useless. I understand the sentiment and the idea behind it, but the execution is terrible and pointless. I would much rather have had a completely faithful adaptation that presents things the way the manga did since that seems to have much better execution and organization.
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I think the main problem with Tetsuro Araki's direction is that he's adapting something that's a work in progress. I wish they made the anime after the manga ended so he could go for a repeat with what he did with Death Note. Knowing how the story is gonna end definitely influences how you handle an adaption, to say nothing of having to put in filler to buy time.
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The filler isn't that bad, especially compared to other animes. I do wonder what's going to happen when the show eventually catches up with the manga though, are we going to get an arc deals with a race of vampire titans?Poniard posted:I like the part where the giant breaks stuff. How dare you
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I don't have a problem with a cliffhanger ending. Is this a real issue? Extremely popular USA mainstream shows do it all the time. People keep saying that anime adaptations of a manga are just advertisements for the manga which is where the real money is, wouldn't that accomplish such a goal?
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My only complaint about the anime, as a person who thought that "Attack on Titan" was something like Terraformars up until actually watching episode 1, is the rampant abuse of cliffhangers which I hear is also present in the manga. The pacing is not really all that slow, and it only seems to be because the show was going at breakneck speeds before then. Really though, I think it boils down to the titans themselves being really interesting adversaries but they're being ignored in favor of drama and infighting, which is always the most boring part of these stories set the apocalypse. The latest episode shows that the so-called generic shonen superpowers are not as convenient as most of us feared them to be... It just took like three episodes of people talking to get there. We would have had to put up with them sooner or later anyway, at least now we have more time for good stuff.
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Yeah, the filler wasn't the worst thing I've seen. But at the same time it did detract from my viewing experience. Saying that other anime has worse filler doesn't mean that people should overlook the filler here!
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Filler is cool when an empty space is being filled with a giant or spider man sword people.
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Attack on Titan's filler is kind of lame but it's ambrosia compared to the likes of entire seasons of horrible boring poo poo in Naruto and Bleach. The manga has its faults, too, like the conspicuously bad art in places.
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I feel that this would be better watched after it was finished, it wouldn't seem so drawn out. It's just because there's the week wait between episodes and that the first 8 or so episodes flew by. Most people are probably used to 'anime pacing' where entire romantic subplots drag on for seasons, and battles can take multiple episodes (Gantz was awful for that). The padding gets a bit noticeable at times. Dialogue seems to artificially stretched to fill run times, and Rico's speech was a clear play for time. That said, the guy who considered a quick shot of a pomegranate and Mikasa jumping away from a titan to be filler is nuts. I've read the manga about as far as the last episode. Not following the manga 1:1 is a good thing depending on circumstances, like moving the training arc to the before the Trost arc. The side characters aren't particularly fleshed out at the moment, but they seemed even less so at this point in the manga. Giving me a reason to care about them before they get eaten is a good idea, narrative-wise. Srice posted:I think the main problem with Tetsuro Araki's direction is that he's adapting something that's a work in progress. From what I read, the artist/writer/whoever actually plotted out the whole thing ahead of time. It was implied this is unusual, which is really odd. I always thought this was how you were supposed to write long stories like this, not winging them and making it up as you go along.
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Reivax posted:From what I read, the artist/writer/whoever actually plotted out the whole thing ahead of time. It was implied this is unusual, which is really odd. I always thought this was how you were supposed to write long stories like this, not winging them and making it up as you go along. The serialized manga industry is notoriously volatile and most new series will get shitcanned immediately if they underperform. Putting as much work into the story/universe as this guy did before the first chapter was published was a major gamble on his own skills and the sustained interest of his audience, especially considering that this was his first publication and his drawing skills are unusually weak. Worked out obviously, dude's moved ~20 million copies of the ten manga volumes so far.
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Reivax posted:That said, the guy who considered a quick shot of a pomegranate and Mikasa jumping away from a titan to be filler is nuts. 
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