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One of the wikis says I need to be orthodox to create the Roman Empire, but in game it looks like it will happen if I just usurp the Byzantines. Which is correct, can I create a Norse Norwegian Roman Emperor?
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Ron Hitler-Barassi posted:One of the wikis says I need to be orthodox to create the Roman Empire, but in game it looks like it will happen if I just usurp the Byzantines. Which is correct, can I create a Norse Norwegian Roman Emperor? You do not have to be orthodox to create the Roman Empire, but IIRC pagans can't reform it. EDIT: Unrelated, but another benefit of strong vassals is that when they do rebel, they're powerful enough that nobody is going to gently caress with them while you're fighting off their independence war. When I would have lots of smaller, weaker vassals I would inevitably lose a bunch of duchies to someone else during the revolt. jpmeyer fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 18:08
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Non Sequitur posted:You don't need to do this. The Caliphate is destroyed if the holder becomes unlanded. Just conquer every last county of the current holder and it's gone. Weeeeell I just killed a lot of Caliphs for no real reason then. Whoops.
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Jun 17, 2013 18:11
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Rejected Fate posted:Weeeeell I just killed a lot of Caliphs for no real reason then. Whoops. Oh man, the history books are going to be a hell of a thing for your future. quote:In 1124 Emir Rejected Fate was known to be responsible for the deaths of seven of his rivals, and the 'accidental' deaths of nineteen more can be inferred to be his doing as well. However, it later turned out that there was no need for him to do this whatsoever. Upon confrontation with this fact, the now-Caliph Rejected Fate was reported to have said "Whoops."
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Jun 17, 2013 18:18
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Mister Adequate posted:Oh man, the history books are going to be a hell of a thing for your future. I picture it more like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2xifdO_l0
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Jun 17, 2013 18:26
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Kalos posted:This is how you turn an empire into a constant mess of independence movements, yes. Kings will almost always join the faction and will almost always have enough dudes to then make the faction leader press the issue. Upon taking the throne, instantly sending out cash gifts, holding a feast and giving the better honorary titles to your Kings can keep most of them in line until short reign goes away. Unless of course your ruler is terrible/a child/a non-attractive woman. EDIT: Keeping all of your kings in-dynasty and of the same culture is also critical. Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 19:16
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Did they change the way personal diplomacy works? I'm getting a +54 modifier  E: Definitely getting that bonus outside my own courtiers. Looks like I'm doing whatever the gently caress I want this generation. HenessyHero fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 19:19
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jpmeyer posted:You do not have to be orthodox to create the Roman Empire, but IIRC pagans can't reform it. I inherited Byzantine empire as a reformed norse and roman decisions weren't there. Looking at the code you have to be a Christian(any kind) to do it. Mending schism decision requires you to be strictly orthodox.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:31
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Mister Adequate posted:Oh man, the history books are going to be a hell of a thing for your future. I'm not even Caliph. Sultan Complete-rear end in a top hat isn't going to be it, I don't think. I have too low piety. His son might, though. I forget the requirements to create the caliphate. I'm not sure if it's because of me our religious authority has gone all the way down to the 40s. I think it might be though. I find it amusing that I got the title Great before I started my terrible "10 years of stabbing child Caliphs". It's even worse when it was an Abassid who got me all of Mesopotamia for me.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:31
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Is there an upside to having a vassal merchant republic as a king or emperor? Does it increase the taxes in your holdings at all? From my brief time playing as Venice it seems like it would.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:35
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Fardels Bear posted:Is there an upside to having a vassal merchant republic as a king or emperor? Does it increase the taxes in your holdings at all? From my brief time playing as Venice it seems like it would. Pulling in shitloads of money from burgher taxes is a nice upside!
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Jun 17, 2013 19:37
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I just had the Ilkhanate show up in my Scandinavia game. Fighting them (well, getting my arse kicked) via rivers was an interesting experience. I'd taken most of the Russian Empire and Cumania, with just one last Seljuk holdout blocking my way. I had to assassinate him to grab his county, since I'd been trying to previously and had accidentally white peaced him. So with that done, I gathered together a bunch of boats and stuffed a load of men on them as fast as I could, sent them down the Volga and dumped two hundred thousand angry Norsemen on the Ilkhanate doomstack... ...just in time for my warscore to drop to -100 and for the Mongols to take all of Cumania off me.  My consolation prize was that when the Golden Horde arrived the first thing they did was to take the last county held by Perm. The second thing they did was to try and grab Cumania for themselves. They went to war with the Ilkhanate and lost badly, losing the entirety of their initial doomstack in the process. So naturally, as soon as they were done I went to war with them, took their only county and unthroned the Great Khan before he could even get started. Suffice to say, I like rivers. It's just a pity that you have to actively control them yourself after a certain point. I've been trying to play a more hands-off game this time, handing out kingdoms to my dynasts and granting them independence, but I don't want to lose those oh-so-handy routes in the Black Sea and the Caspian. Be nice if you could sail through territories that you aren't hostile with. Perhaps if the game took a small amount out of your treasury as your boats passed through them as a toll it'd be suitably realistic.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:42
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Fardels Bear posted:Is there an upside to having a vassal merchant republic as a king or emperor? Does it increase the taxes in your holdings at all? From my brief time playing as Venice it seems like it would. They make a lot of money but are generally more bitchy than your other vassals (-30 wrong government, -X for MY TAX DUCATS), so be careful about them getting too big.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:43
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Nuclearmonkee posted:They make a lot of money but are generally more bitchy than your other vassals (-30 wrong government, -X for MY TAX DUCATS), so be careful about them getting too big. They'll bitch a lot, but unlike feudal vassals they generally are very slow at expanding. A good alternative if you think duke-level bishops are too gamey in how stable they are but are fed up with nobles being scheming and sneaky bastards with their inheritances and intermarriages.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:46
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toasterwarrior posted:They'll bitch a lot, but unlike feudal vassals they generally are very slow at expanding. A good alternative if you think duke-level bishops are too gamey in how stable they are but are fed up with nobles being scheming and sneaky bastards with their inheritances and intermarriages. Unfortunately they have a billion ducats and a pile of retinues so whenever they join an independence revolt you can expect a few thousand troops despite their small footprint.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:50
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toasterwarrior posted:They'll bitch a lot, but unlike feudal vassals they generally are very slow at expanding. A good alternative if you think duke-level bishops are too gamey in how stable they are but are fed up with nobles being scheming and sneaky bastards with their inheritances and intermarriages. Or you can a situation like in my Denmark game where the various doges of sjaeland decided to go and conquer random poo poo (including half of ireland  ) making me terrified of ever crossing them. 
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Jun 17, 2013 19:51
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Fardels Bear posted:Is there an upside to having a vassal merchant republic as a king or emperor? Does it increase the taxes in your holdings at all? From my brief time playing as Venice it seems like it would. They'll also give you shitloads of ships in addition to money.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:52
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I've been playing as a count in the HRE and after a nice start I've decided to play as much of a nice guy, non-murdering style. I'm ruled by my brother who is a duke and he handed out a few counties to me for free right at the start and threw feasts every month so I figure he's a cool dude and I'll avoid murdering him. Our other shithead brother rebels against the duke and we throw him in jail and I steal his land while he enjoys the dukes dungeon. Now I have 100% of the counties I need for a duchy but I think because I'm ruled by a duke currently I can't petition to have a duchy because then I'd be the same rank as my liege. What options do I have to expand in a way without having to depose my liege brother the duke?
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Jun 17, 2013 19:52
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Fardels Bear posted:Is there an upside to having a vassal merchant republic as a king or emperor? Does it increase the taxes in your holdings at all? From my brief time playing as Venice it seems like it would. All the boats you could ever need.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:52
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Captain Beans posted:I've been playing as a count in the HRE and after a nice start I've decided to play as much of a nice guy, non-murdering style. Go steal someone else's duchy. Though you will of course no longer be your brother's vassal but rather duke bros.
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Jun 17, 2013 19:54
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So what exactly is a naval bomb?
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Jun 17, 2013 20:33
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CobiWann posted:So what exactly is a naval bomb? The AI is infuriatingly good at avoiding battles it doesn't want to fight. The main way to trick it is to put an army it can beat on a coastal province, with the bulk of your army waiting in a fleet in a neighboring ocean province. Their army will take the bait and attack the small army, whereupon the rest of your forces land in that province and stomp the crap out of them.
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Jun 17, 2013 20:46
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I am unsure if this is a bug or not, I don't remember this happening before I had the Old Gods but then again it has been a while: When you hold feast/grand hunt/summer fair does anybody else get about 3 event windows all happening simultaneously once they kick off? This happens in particular when doing Grand Hunts. I'm not really complaining as they usually are positives but I don't remember this happening before installing Old Gods, but then again I didn't play much before Old Gods.
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Jun 17, 2013 20:47
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Is there any way to defend against raiders? I could beat them easily but they'll be gone before I can engage them with my armies. Makes me wish CKII supported naval combat.
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Jun 17, 2013 20:55
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Avalerion posted:Is there any way to defend against raiders? I could beat them easily but they'll be gone before I can engage them with my armies. Makes me wish CKII supported naval combat.
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Jun 17, 2013 20:58
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Considering I'm missing TOG, LoR, and The Republic, how much of the game would you say I'm missing (I'm aware it is 100% playable, exclude Republics and Pagans, and it functions online). I don't have much money to give to games but the lure of TOG and the Republic is starting to over take me. E: I want retinues
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Jun 17, 2013 21:21
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Considering I'm missing TOG, LoR, and The Republic, how much of the game would you say I'm missing (I'm aware it is 100% playable, exclude Republics and Pagans, and it functions online). I don't have much money to give to games but the lure of TOG and the Republic is starting to over take me. The only DLC I regret is the Sunset Invasion. The rest have all been well worth the money in features & gameplay. All the different flavors added (vikings/republics/muslims/byzantia) play differently and all are entertaining.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:30
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Considering I'm missing TOG, LoR, and The Republic, how much of the game would you say I'm missing (I'm aware it is 100% playable, exclude Republics and Pagans, and it functions online). I don't have much money to give to games but the lure of TOG and the Republic is starting to over take me. Republic is literally only if you want to play as a republic, which can be pretty fun. I'd say about 5 % of content. LoR adds a lot of events and stuff for Byzantines. Retinues are... nifty. Not game changing, just nifty. I'd says about 10 % of content. TOG is the biggest thing missing, there's so much content added and it adds years to the gameplay. I'd say 20 % of content. So that's all together about 35%.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:31
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Fardels Bear posted:Is there an upside to having a vassal merchant republic as a king or emperor? Does it increase the taxes in your holdings at all? From my brief time playing as Venice it seems like it would. As an example from my Roman Empire game (1200 holdings and growing), each of my 4 Doge vassals are giving me ~60-80 gold income. Of course, some of the Prince-Archbishops are giving me 30-40 and are way less bitchy (and also a good source of piety; I'm getting 12 piety per month just from them before Majesty bonuses).
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Jun 17, 2013 21:42
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Rejected Fate posted:Republic is literally only if you want to play as a republic, which can be pretty fun. I'd say about 5 % of content. Missing Republic is kind of a shame because they are so much fun, but I agree that overall you're not too bad off missing it. Retinues are game changing as hell. I'm not sure why you think they aren't that big of a deal, but in my current ck2+ game, I have 30k Pike+HI just chilling out, waiting for me to go find someone to beat up on. That's a massive army that I don't have to raise from scratch every time, and I can position them wherever I want. Plus, they regenerate, so my army doesn't constantly get smaller from attrition. TOG is just absolutely crazy fun, and it's hard to play anything but a Viking now. I'd personally rate that one the highest of all, especially because it lets you move the start date back 200 years.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:44
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Something really needs to be done about vikings in Azerbaijan in CK2+  They're also pretty reluctant to convert to local faith or culture as well. Also because the Suez is transversable while I was dealing with a Shia invasion they sailed down and looted Medina  I feel like I shall have to holy war them despite it creating ugly borders. SeaTard posted:Retinues are game changing as hell. I'm not sure why you think they aren't that big of a deal, but in my current ck2+ game, I have 30k Pike+HI just chilling out, waiting for me to go find someone to beat up on. That's a massive army that I don't have to raise from scratch every time, and I can position them wherever I want. Plus, they regenerate, so my army doesn't constantly get smaller from attrition. Oh retinues are powerful, yeah. I don't know I feel like retinues are useful but in themselves don't make the game much funner. In that way I feel like you can do without it. It's a nifty tool, but not that much fun.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:46
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The only poo poo thing DLCs added is probably decadence for the Muslim rulers. Really wish they would remove it or improve on it.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:47
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What other ways can I add territory to my kingdom? I am still starting out on Ireland and I have the whole unified kingdom. Scotland tried to claim Ulster but I beat them off . I have a handle on fabricated claims and de jure claims through duchy creation, but beyond that I am stumped. A favorite tactic of mine was supporting idiots for their attempts on the title and then offering them vassalization, but this doesn't work on other realms, much to my displeasure. I understand it is a game through marriages and inheritances through Kerchs lp, but I am at a lost. Basically I marry matrilinearly all the time, keep all my kin in court. I would try expanding kin onto the throne of other realms but that just puts my dynasty in charge, not myself directly, right? Finally, for childhood events, why would I ever choose the bad option for children? I want them as capable as possible!
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Jun 17, 2013 21:51
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Rejected Fate posted:Something really needs to be done about vikings in Azerbaijan in CK2+ The Vikings raided there in real history though. Donkringel posted:I would try expanding kin onto the throne of other realms but that just puts my dynasty in charge, not myself directly, right? If you press a family member's claim, and it is for a title lesser than yours, they will become your vassal. So as king of Ireland you can press claims for duchies and counties. marktheando fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 21:52
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I just remove the decadence stuff from unlanded relatives and add more events linked to traits. Have a shitlord as Sultan and decadence might ramp up (still, player choice involved in picking options and counteracting it) instead of playing "relative wack-a-mole".
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Jun 17, 2013 21:52
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marktheando posted:The Vikings raided there in real history though. True, but I find it hard to imagine the bearded norse men putting up shop there. Man, are there any accounts of Vikings thoughts of when they were down south? Something along the lines of "Oh god why is it so drat hot here?"
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Jun 17, 2013 21:53
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Rejected Fate posted:Something really needs to be done about vikings in Azerbaijan in CK2+ Yeah, they need to be tolerated!
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Jun 17, 2013 21:55
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marktheando posted:The Vikings raided there in real history though. A melting pot event for Norse and various cultures would be a cool fix. I personally think the viking kingdom of Azerbaijan is insanely badass, but I don't want to see Norsemen dominating the entire culture and never converting to another religion.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:56
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ThePutty posted:A melting pot event for Norse and various cultures would be a cool fix. I personally think the viking kingdom of Azerbaijan is insanely badass, but I don't want to see Norsemen dominating the entire culture and never converting to another religion. I thought there was already a norman and norse-gael event. I guess there could be a general event of become norse-x culture or something.
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Norabs will rule mighty Azerbaijan with tolerance! E: Mister Adequate posted:Yeah, they need to be tolerated! Oh gently caress my nuts.
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