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X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

oh ur doing iphone dev. stopped reading there lol

# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:35

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# ? May 10, 2024 00:23

Elder Postsman: Aug 30, 2000; i used hot bot to search for "teens"

i'm writing another bad python script for arcgis right now. it's gonna be real bad.

# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:40

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

I don't like the xml datatype. there may be some highly specific valid uses but it smells bad. like it was probably a convenience thing for people who used to store xml as binary in their db and now its destined for abuse by idiots who cant do data design.

# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:40

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

to xml!

the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems

# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:44

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
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Shaggar posted:

I don't like the xml datatype. there may be some highly specific valid uses but it smells bad. like it was probably a convenience thing for people who used to store xml as binary in their db and now its destined for abuse by idiots who cant do data design.

it's kinda dumb

if you use it right (i.e. querying from it) it's slow as heck and encourages bad design

if you just use it as a place to dump xml files for lookup later, use a filestream

# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:45

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

xml is good for serialization of data in motion and at rest in unstructured stores, but a db is structured so y would u not use that structure?? (the answer is b/c ur a bad programmer)

# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:46

Elder Postsman: Aug 30, 2000; i used hot bot to search for "teens"

Shaggar posted:

xml is good for serialization of data in motion and at rest in unstructured stores, but a db is structured so y would u not use that structure?? (the answer is b/c ur a bad programmer)

heh there's this terrible gis suite that we're migrating a company from that stores everything in xml

here an example of one feature

code:

	<gml:featureMember>
		<ims:OtherLine>
			<ims:Name>PropLine</ims:Name>
			<ims:Status>EX</ims:Status>
			<ims:color>2</ims:color>
			<ims:style>0</ims:style>
			<ims:uniqid>34da63fb8e</ims:uniqid>
			<ims:lineCollection srsName="">
				<ims:LineMember>
					<gml:LineString>
						<gml:coordinates>744636.509,8500230.751 744654.188,8500197.204 744654.88,8500195.89 744655.732,8500194.273</gml:coordinates>
					</gml:LineString>
				</ims:LineMember>
			</ims:lineCollection>
		</ims:OtherLine>
	</gml:featureMember>

so like one "tile" (a 3000x2000 ft area) will have literally thousands of features, with all the attributes and shape data described in xml like this.

not sure why anyone would think that is a good idea

# ? Jun 17, 2013 18:01

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

in obj-C is there any particular reason to use your own instance variables and methods instead of just dropping a @property in there? they're not doing anything fancy with the accessors except return some value so im confused why they dont just use @properties.

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 17, 2013

# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:11

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Zlodo posted:

games aren't buggy because c++, games are buggy because bad project management, lack of formalized development methods, over compressed development schedules or a combination thereof

and when you get lucky to work at a game studio with none of those problems it owns

but given that most bugs found in games happen at a high level (things like broken transitions between states, or errors caused by level layout changes and such) and not specific to the way things are some in c++ you'd have games just as buggy if they were written in a diff language like java or c# or whatever else really

you reminded me of a cool article so I'm posting it

:tipshat:

# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:16

CuddleChunks: Sep 18, 2004

Nomnom Cookie posted:

then implement something with terrible design. if u can tell that ur doing something bad thats good enough for a babby dev. u get better with practice but u DONT get better from reading a text on UML and making diagrams for a month

WHAT??? son, you better see me after class.

heh, school programming is some seriously misleading stuff. oh well, it has its purpose but it's been a lot of fun to just strike out on my own and try and build stuff in a new language. i know i don't know Good Practices in there but thanks to visual studio and online docs holing my hand i can build little dumb apps in c# and that's pretty neat.

# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:20

Squinty Applebottom: Jan 1, 2013

PleasingFungus posted:

you reminded me of a cool article so I'm posting it

CUnit < CDoodad < CFlingy < CThingy

# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:22

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

polpotpi posted:

CUnit < CDoodad < CFlingy < CThingy

code:

class CUnit ... {
    #include "header_1.h"
    #include "header_2.h"
    #include "header_3.h"
    #include "header_4.h" //each of these headers is several hundred lines long
};

# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:23

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PleasingFungus posted:

code:

class CUnit ... {
    #include "header_1.h"
    #include "header_2.h"
    #include "header_3.h"
    #include "header_4.h" //each of these headers is several hundred lines long
};

gunit

# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:24

Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

THC posted:

in obj-C is there any particular reason to use your own instance variables and methods instead of just dropping a @property in there? they're not doing anything fancy with the accessors except return some value so im confused why they dont just use @properties.

Property setters are slower because they also have to do all the KVO stuff and whatnot.

ARC has pretty much eliminated the reason people started using properties for instance variables.

# ? Jun 17, 2013 20:11

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

PleasingFungus posted:

code:

class CUnit ... {
    #include "header_1.h"
    #include "header_2.h"
    #include "header_3.h"
    #include "header_4.h" //each of these headers is several hundred lines long
};

this is exactly the kind of thing where people tend to go "lol c++" because #include whereas the real problem is the awful architecture with everything and the kitchen sink stuffed into some base class
and also from your article the guy reinventing a bad linked list instead of using the stl (which is something you could do in any other language too with equally bad outcome)

# ? Jun 18, 2013 00:56

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Zlodo posted:

this is exactly the kind of thing where people tend to go "lol c++" because #include whereas the real problem is the awful architecture with everything and the kitchen sink stuffed into some base class
and also from your article the guy reinventing a bad linked list instead of using the stl (which is something you could do in any other language too with equally bad outcome)

just relax; every language is blamed for the sins of its worst users

# ? Jun 18, 2013 00:58

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

prefect posted:

just relax; every language is blamed for the sins of its worst users

true

# ? Jun 18, 2013 01:02

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
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prefect posted:

just relax; every language is blamed for the sins of its worst users

qft

# ? Jun 18, 2013 01:05

FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

Zlodo posted:

this is exactly the kind of thing where people tend to go "lol c++" because #include whereas the real problem is the awful architecture with everything and the kitchen sink stuffed into some base class
and also from your article the guy reinventing a bad linked list instead of using the stl (which is something you could do in any other language too with equally bad outcome)

i thought this was the one where they implemented intrusive linked lists but nopeeee

# ? Jun 18, 2013 01:11

Papes: Apr 13, 2010; There's always something at the bottom of the bag.

NOTinuyasha posted:

would you say the time & money you spent learning "academia stuff" was worth it at all

Yeah probably. I learn a lot of nonsense but at the same time I might have been overwhelmed trying to learn it all myself at 18

# ? Jun 18, 2013 01:11

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

Papes posted:

I might have been overwhelmed trying to learn it all myself at 18

smdh if you werent programming compilers and scripting language interpreters at 18 just smdh

# ? Jun 18, 2013 01:43

Elder Postsman: Aug 30, 2000; i used hot bot to search for "teens"

ok so i don't know much SQL but i was just given a big file full of SQL queries and i get most of it but there's these parts like

code:

COUNT (*) COUNT

and i don't know wtf that is doing. wtf is that doing.

# ? Jun 18, 2013 15:57

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

its probably counting

# ? Jun 18, 2013 15:58

Elder Postsman: Aug 30, 2000; i used hot bot to search for "teens"

ah i see.

# ? Jun 18, 2013 15:59

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dur posted:

ok so i don't know much SQL but i was just given a big file full of SQL queries and i get most of it but there's these parts like
code:
COUNT (*) COUNT
and i don't know wtf that is doing. wtf is that doing.

what database is that against i use ms sql server and oracle and that's greek to me

# ? Jun 18, 2013 16:05

Elder Postsman: Aug 30, 2000; i used hot bot to search for "teens"

well i figured it out. notepad++ highlights both COUNTs like their sql command things, but the second one is just a text output, like a column header. i changed it to FeatureCount so it's not as confusing

# ? Jun 18, 2013 16:15

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
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dur posted:

well i figured it out. notepad++ highlights both COUNTs like their sql command things, but the second one is just a text output, like a column header. i changed it to FeatureCount so it's not as confusing

oh right, so like

select count(1) as count

except coded in a non-obvious way

# ? Jun 18, 2013 17:44

Dirk Pitt: Sep 14, 2007; haha yes, this feels good; Toilet Rascal

I am really hating singletons right now. I wish they had never been created.

# ? Jun 18, 2013 21:47

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

right, because that magically would've taught the guy best practices and he would never have stumbled onto "hey i can just cram these in globals!!"

# ? Jun 18, 2013 21:48

Dirk Pitt: Sep 14, 2007; haha yes, this feels good; Toilet Rascal

Wat? I'm just mad because they are an overused god class for loving everything.

And impossible to test automatically.

# ? Jun 18, 2013 21:50

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

singletons are to globals as flow-control exceptions are to GOTO

Dirk Pitt posted:

Wat?

nice stealth edit

# ? Jun 18, 2013 21:51

Dirk Pitt: Sep 14, 2007; haha yes, this feels good; Toilet Rascal

Didn't mean to ghost edit. I agree with your post. Just frustrated my team sees anything more advanced than a 'systemcontext' singleton as "too complicated."

Edit: I thought this was a safe zone :smith:

# ? Jun 18, 2013 21:55

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

most programmers are assholes. all programmers are terrible. :ssh:

# ? Jun 18, 2013 22:07

Optimus_Rhyme: Apr 15, 2007; are you that mainframe hacker guy?

Brain Candy posted:

most engineers are assholes. all programmers are terrible.

# ? Jun 18, 2013 22:12

Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

Brain Candy posted:

most people are assholes. all people are terrible.

# ? Jun 18, 2013 22:46

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Dirk Pitt posted:

Didn't mean to ghost edit. I agree with your post. Just frustrated my team sees anything more advanced than a 'systemcontext' singleton as "too complicated."

Edit: I thought this was a safe zone

it's all right, I stealth-edit pretty much every post I make. just thought it was funny that I spotted yours.

everyone is welcome here :glomp:

# ? Jun 18, 2013 22:50

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

everything is bad actually

# ? Jun 18, 2013 23:37

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Brain Candy posted:

most programmers are assholes. all programmers are terrible.

i'm a terrible programmer, thankfully it's not really a big part of my job, what sometimes astounds me is how terrible most people who get paid to be programmers are at programming.

# ? Jun 19, 2013 00:27

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

why are you surprised have you seen the people they pay to manage them? lol right?

# ? Jun 19, 2013 01:46

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

wait whats wrong with singletons i like them in very specific situations when i don't want random god objects floating in some main class or whatever

# ? Jun 19, 2013 05:42

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