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TwoQuestions posted:In other news, I just got Legends of the Wulin, and the similarities between that and the hints about Exalted 3rd are striking. I wonder how much the writers took that book as their inspiration. Didn't find much on the Wiki, I think Plague of Hats mentioned it once. When John and Holden developed the core of the new combat system, I don't think Legends was out yet, but in any case I believe Holden skimmed the game once and John has never read it. Vance and I talked a lot about it in meetings, though, especially when we were developing the movement system.
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Yeah, are we going to get the QuickStart rules at the same time, or earlier?
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I'm hoping the book comes out tomorrow and they've just been teasing us this entire time. Slightly Lions posted:Yeah, are we going to get the QuickStart rules at the same time, or earlier? I feel like they've said "the quickstart is there so you can get people playing without forcing them to comb through the whole corebook, not so you can start running the game before it's out".
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Hey, did they ever explain/apologize for that whole rape Charms/fake apology/'we're sorry you were offended' thing? I mean, I ultimately cancelled my pledge over it. I want to invest in 3E, but not so much if it's going to be gross.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:08
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Consider: since at some point in the future the Exalted dev team will attempt to sell a book to someone for money, an apology would be rendered moot by the potential existence of a profit motive.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:12
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Plague of Hats posted:When John and Holden developed the core of the new combat system, I don't think Legends was out yet, but in any case I believe Holden skimmed the game once and John has never read it. Vance and I talked a lot about it in meetings, though, especially when we were developing the movement system. Legends of the Wulin is a bomb-rear end game, and one of the reasons I'm sad Neall Price isn't writing for Exalted right now.
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GreenMetalSun posted:Hey, did they ever explain/apologize for that whole rape Charms/fake apology/'we're sorry you were offended' thing? I would assume that no apology is forthcoming despite what Morke may have said in a KS comment. If he does issue one, then that's great.
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Jun 17, 2013 21:32
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Bardlebee posted:So quiet lately. The release date is slotted for October. I highly doubt we see the book before November, however.
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Jun 17, 2013 23:28
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Bedlamdan posted:Legends of the Wulin is a bomb-rear end game, and one of the reasons I'm sad Neall Price isn't writing for Exalted right now. Neall's pretty great, but I thought he just did editing on Wulin. EDIT: Not but I'm knocking editors, mind. It's just unusual to see someone be a fan over editing. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jun 18, 2013 |
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Jun 18, 2013 01:30
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Plague of Hats posted:Neall's pretty great, but I thought he just did editing on Wulin. That's because we've all seen firsthand in the Exalted gameline what happens without quality editing.
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Plague of Hats posted:Neall's pretty great, but I thought he just did editing on Wulin. Well he wrote some things. Here and there. I'll try to ask him exactly what he wrote before I shoot my mouth off.  Thesaurasaurus posted:That's because we've all seen firsthand in the Exalted gameline what happens without quality editing. Not to throw him under the bus but he did the editing for Nobilis 2E. (He's sorry).
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Bedlamdan posted:Well he wrote some things. Here and there. I'll try to ask him exactly what he wrote before I shoot my mouth off. Neall is the sort of editor that often means "editor and uncredited writer." He's currently writing (actually writing) the Washington DC sourcebook for Mummy The Curse.
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Plague of Hats posted:Neall's pretty great, but I thought he just did editing on Wulin. Sean Punch is the best, I tell you true.
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As a cursory follower of the events of the 3e launch, I'm curious: have the devs totally fallen silent since the kickstarter ended with regards to mechanics and the 'other' issues?
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Father Wendigo posted:As a cursory follower of the events of the 3e launch, I'm curious: have the devs totally fallen silent since the kickstarter ended with regards to mechanics and the 'other' issues? Try http://nishkriya.com/ for recent dev posts.
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Have the devs made any comments on the Abyssal sex charms since the Kickstarter? I cancelled my pledge over it and it seemed like a pretty big deal, but I haven't heard anything since.
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Bigup DJ posted:Have the devs made any comments on the Abyssal sex charms since the Kickstarter? I cancelled my pledge over it and it seemed like a pretty big deal, but I haven't heard anything since. I've been paying fairly close attention for this and neither I nor my freelancer friend have heard anything.
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Jun 26, 2013 04:02
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Mors Rattus posted:I've been paying fairly close attention for this and neither I nor my freelancer friend have heard anything. It's probably best that way. I think the end conclusion depends on how you view it or how it goes down. People said their peace and that was that. Whether they take that information and modify what they have created on the opening of the Abyssals or not is the real test. I mean, I am not saying its okay to let is rest, but honestly with their response do you think it matters whether we flail our hands up in the air about it anymore? They have said what they have said and don't seem to change that tone. For me, I am still getting the book. I buy the product on faith of good writing and hopes to god for better mechanics. It's simple. If they create a product such as the Abyssals and you purchase it, just don't purchase the rest if it turns into ghost-rape. Vote with your purchase, the tabletop industry is hurting enough as it is, so they wont continue if there is a big outcry and no one buys that product. They will change their tune.... maybe. With that all said. There is like no updates and I am a bit disappointed they haven't like made a kickstarter update saying "Hey just checking in once a month"... because its been like 3 weeks or more.
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Jun 26, 2013 19:55
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Silence very much is not the best solution to giant public fuckups.
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Jun 26, 2013 20:00
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Well, especially after saying, "This is something we'll address after the kickstarter is over." The rationale for that statement was always kind of flimsy, but the longer they go without saying anything, the more it seems like they simply wanted to dismiss the concerns while retaining as many backers as possible. I'd still really, really like for the next edition to be good - both mechanically sound and ghost-rape free, but I didn't feel like the kickstarter gave me anything concrete to go on for either one.
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Sionak posted:
I agree and it's frustrating to sit here and give them money for a book made of solid gold and forged by the gods. Only to have them not mention a beta version of their mechanics. I mean, they can't even give a preview of things they are working on? I guess that is what bothers me. They make it sound like mechanically they are very close to the end, but then have no hard numbers to back it up. Even if the mechanics changed drastically I would like to see what they are working on. I feel your point about staying silent, and I agree with you on that. But as Sionak mentioned their response has been lack luster at best and just seems like avoidance. I will still buy the book and if there are parts that freak me out about it, I may not buy the next one. Personally that is my way of sticking it to the man so to speak, especially after we made it very clear about how it was at the time. That is all I meant.
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Bardlebee posted:I will still buy the book and if there are parts that freak me out about it, I may not buy the next one. Personally that is my way of sticking it to the man so to speak, especially after we made it very clear about how it was at the time. That is all I meant. Why not just wait until the book comes out and read some reviews to determine whether it's actually going to be good or if it was all a smoke screen? I mean people seem to be falling into the same trap as video game preorders. Making sure it's not poo poo before you put down money on something seems like common sense.
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Valhawk posted:Why not just wait until the book comes out and read some reviews to determine whether it's actually going to be good or if it was all a smoke screen? I mean people seem to be falling into the same trap as video game preorders. Making sure it's not poo poo before you put down money on something seems like common sense. This is exactly why I changed my ultra deluxe book pledge into a PDF pledge. Between the rapeghosts and the absence of mechanics, my remaining faith could not justify the physical book price.
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Valhawk posted:Why not just wait until the book comes out and read some reviews to determine whether it's actually going to be good or if it was all a smoke screen? I mean people seem to be falling into the same trap as video game preorders. Making sure it's not poo poo before you put down money on something seems like common sense. I mean, to be honest I wanted the gold plated book. That is all. I will most likely wait and hear good things about the others before thinking about pre-ordering. I don't pre-order things often and yes I know "Because its a gold plated book" is a poor excuse, but its my only one. At least I am being honest about it.  But, in the end I think I will wait to hear about all the books. I mean were talking about a whole other series of books probably the collection size of 2E so I can wait to spend that much.
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Dodge Charms posted:Yes indeed. This is pretty much my exact response as well. I put in for the pick a demon tier and then everything they did (or didn't do) during the KS caused me to drop down to pdf level. The current silence from the dev team makes a lot of sense though. They were pretty busy during the KSer with fan wrangling, previews, and all that other stuff that isn't actually working on the book so I'm glad we're not hearing from them right now because it means work might actually be getting done. Personally, I'd be very surprised if, as of right now, the charm chapter's first draft was even completed.
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Ithle01 posted:This is pretty much my exact response as well. I put in for the pick a demon tier and then everything they did (or didn't do) during the KS caused me to drop down to pdf level. And if the book ends up free of problematic material, it's not like you can't get a physical copy of the book later on, anyways. 
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Bedlamdan posted:And if the book ends up free of problematic material, it's not like you can't get a physical copy of the book later on, anyways. But can you get a gold plated book later? This is actually a legitimate question.
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Bardlebee posted:But can you get a gold plated book later? This is actually a legitimate question. The gold-plated book was apparently a one-time only thing for the kickstarter, actually. To be honest, that never mattered to me: I just want a solid copy if it turns out to be good. I hear mixed things about the quality of Print on Demand, though.
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Bedlamdan posted:And if the book ends up free of problematic material, it's not like you can't get a physical copy of the book later on, anyways. If you don't mind PoD rather than a traditional print run, you can pick the PoD one up for the same price as the physical book pledge. I don't mind PoD books, so if the PDF is good, I may buy the book that way.
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Mors Rattus posted:Silence very much is not the best solution to giant public fuckups. In all honesty? I think complete silence would've served them far better and probably lost them less pledges than, you know, what actually happened.
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Dodge Charms posted:IIRC the PoD corebook is going to be priced around $110, and that's given current PoD pricing, which may go down as efficiency improves. Similar color PoD books are actually around $80. If they're available you can get shittier print quality or black-and-white PoDs that bump the price down to at or below old traditional print run costs (about $50).
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Plague of Hats posted:Similar color PoD books are actually around $80. If they're available you can get shittier print quality or black-and-white PoDs that bump the price down to at or below old traditional print run costs (about $50). Plague of Hats given you're around could you comment on the Abyssal sex charms? How do you feel about them?
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Bigup DJ posted:Plague of Hats given you're around could you comment on the Abyssal sex charms? How do you feel about them? He's be quite consistent in never talking about them. Could we please continue in that vein? I personally don't find it very interesting to talk about rapeghosts when we could be talking about beating up the Fair Folk. That said, regarding the Fair Folk. In 2e I found the concept utterly fascinating, but also found the book completely impenetrable. That said, making 3e Fair Folk completely clinical would also take away from their charm. Have there been discussions on the matter amongst the 3e crew?
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Fightest posted:He's be quite consistent in never talking about them. Could we please continue in that vein? I personally don't find it very interesting to talk about rapeghosts when we could be talking about beating up the Fair Folk. Why should we? I think it's very interesting. I've been turned off the game completely since it happened and I want to know why it is they're not saying anything about it.
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Bardlebee posted:But can you get a gold plated book later? This is actually a legitimate question. Resale market! I'm not sure I'd feel good about myself if I had a gold plated copy of the book and it turned out looking like what we saw during the Kickstarter though. quote:This is pretty much my exact response as well. I put in for the pick a demon tier and then everything they did (or didn't do) during the KS caused me to drop down to pdf level. Heart Attacks fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Jun 27, 2013 |
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Bigup DJ posted:Why should we? I think it's very interesting. I've been turned off the game completely since it happened and I want to know why it is they're not saying anything about it. Rapeghosts is a discussion that should be put on hold because just about everything on both sides of the argument that can be said about them has been said about them and the Devs are aware of every single argument. There's nothing more to be said about them, and I say this as someone who really dislikes the charms in question and really hopes the Devs end up with something more like MiltonSlavemasta's ideas earlier in the thread. But there's nothing more to say about those charms that hasn't been done to death already, all that's left is an outrageboner circlejerk, especially since the two Devs responsible for those charms (Holden and Hatewheel; Plague of Hats didn't have anything to do with the charms) don't seem interested in coming back to Something Awful.
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Yeah, I'd really rather not run off devs who weren't even really connected to the whole debacle from posting on other things. I disagree there's nothing more to be said (there are absolutely some things Hatewheel could say), but I don't at all blame the other devs for not wanting to comment at this point, and I don't really think it's reasonable for the issue to chase them everywhere.
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Nightskye posted:I disagree there's nothing more to be said (there are absolutely some things Hatewheel could say), but I don't at all blame the other devs for not wanting to comment at this point, and I don't really think it's reasonable for the issue to chase them everywhere.
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Nightskye posted:Yeah, I'd really rather not run off devs who weren't even really connected to the whole debacle from posting on other things. Which would be reasonable, except that they'd promised further discussion once the Kickstarter was over, using the pretty dubious reasoning that anything they said before then would be somehow tainted by the profit motive. While it's pretty likely they were just lying and using that as a flimsy excuse, that doesn't mean they should be let off the hook for using it. quote:In all honesty? I think complete silence would've served them far better and probably lost them less pledges than, you know, what actually happened. Probably, if only because we could have skipped over "and it's not really 'hold her down and stick it in' rape'" phase, and then the "no, it's fine, we're totally going to fix it ha ha just kidding" phase.
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