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After reading about the 920-000914 Logitech Illuminated in this thread I lucked out and found one at my Office Depot after my trust Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 died. Must say I'm pretty impressed with it.
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For those of you with the G710+, are all the backlight problems are with them staying off in various places, or are they randomly not changing with the rest of the keyboard? I might be picking one up this week because they're on sale at FutureShop, and if I can turn the backlighting off, I think it might still be worthwhile for me.
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Jun 10, 2013 22:45
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The 5 key on my Mathias Laptop Pro seems to be registering twice for each press. It looks like when the key is half-depressed, the switch engages. At full press, it disengages. Then on the way up, the switch triggers again. Is there something I can do to fix it or should i call Mathias?
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Jun 11, 2013 00:43
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Currently in the market for a new keyboard for work and leaning towards a semi-custom WASD board with cherry browns. http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-semi-custom-mechanical-keyboard.html Does anyone know what the pricing will be on the v2. Tempted to just get the v1 now as the changes don't seem to be too major. Also, what is the difference between 104-key layout and ISO 105-key? Only thing I can tell is the size of the enter key.
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Jun 11, 2013 22:44
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I'm in the market for a really nice keyboard but I don't have a clue what kind of switches I would like. I'm a little lost really. It'll mostly be used for gaming but I do some programming so typing is important too. I hate low-profile laptop keyboards and I'd prefer something that isn't doesn't make an awful clacking noise. Budget is effectively not an issue but I'm the UK so it has to be available here. Any pointers to get me started?Meydey posted:Also, what is the difference between 104-key layout and ISO 105-key? Only thing I can tell is the size of the enter key.
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Jun 12, 2013 21:27
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Go for anything with Cherry Brown switches. They're the best combination of tactility, without the overt clicking noise of a blue switch.
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Jun 12, 2013 21:37
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Probably some kind of cherry mx, anything but blue. People say reds and blacks are gaming switches, but logitech put browns in their mechanical gaming keyboard. My board (K60) has reds and I'm quite pleased with it, both for typing and gaming. Without much more specific information, it's hard to give you more than that. edit: hey don't just say browns are the best, to each their own 
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Jun 12, 2013 21:37
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You want Topre switches of course.
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Jun 12, 2013 23:22
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Right, I did some reading around and it sounds like Browns are probably right for me. Does anyone make Cherry Brown keyboards that aren't horrible gaming things with a billion extra keys and pointless LCD panels? I don't mind a few LEDs under the keys but all of the Logitech ones are simply ghastly. I cannot imagine why anyone would need a screen attached to their keyboard, that's what monitors are for.
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Jun 12, 2013 23:30
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Tunga posted:Does anyone make Cherry Brown keyboards that aren't horrible gaming things with a billion extra keys and pointless LCD panels? I don't mind a few LEDs under the keys but all of the Logitech ones are simply ghastly. I cannot imagine why anyone would need a screen attached to their keyboard, that's what monitors are for. Cooler Master calls their line "gaming" keyboards but there's not a lot of extra geegaws on them. Illuminated WASD keys (which you can turn off), a kinda dopey font (they don't print Quick Fire on the spacebar anymore), and a function to disable the windows button.
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Jun 12, 2013 23:47
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unpronounceable posted:For those of you with the G710+, are all the backlight problems are with them staying off in various places, or are they randomly not changing with the rest of the keyboard? I might be picking one up this week because they're on sale at FutureShop, and if I can turn the backlighting off, I think it might still be worthwhile for me. I've had a G710+ for a couple weeks now and have zero backlight issues, you can turn both backlight zones off completely if you want (they have 5? brightness settings, separately set for both "zones"). I did read about the problems though.
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Jun 12, 2013 23:54
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Tunga posted:Right, I did some reading around and it sounds like Browns are probably right for me. http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-semi-custom-mechanical-keyboard.html Best thing about WASD is the customization options. They will custom laser engrave keys, and do custom color layouts. Believe there bases are made by CoStar which is used by DAS, and others.
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Jun 13, 2013 01:40
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Meydey posted:http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-semi-custom-mechanical-keyboard.html
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Jun 13, 2013 04:16
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Tunga posted:Doesn't look like they offer UK layout. They normally do: 105-key. Out of stock right now, though; I imagine it's because they're gearing up for WASD V2 keyboards. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jun 13, 2013 |
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Jun 13, 2013 14:31
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Tunga posted:Right, I did some reading around and it sounds like Browns are probably right for me. Corsair K70 is supposedly coming in browns at some point.
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Jun 13, 2013 16:16
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CLAM DOWN posted:I've had a G710+ for a couple weeks now and have zero backlight issues, you can turn both backlight zones off completely if you want (they have 5? brightness settings, separately set for both "zones"). I did read about the problems though. Well, I took a chance, and bought one. It's nice. I like the O-rings they put on. Having the backlight at 50% brightness looks best to me right now, and the macro key software seems pretty good. I haven't used anything else that has them, but it's pretty easy to record macros, even on the fly. Not bad for $95 plus tax.
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Jun 14, 2013 02:17
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After killing my trusty Microsoft multimedia keyboard, I ended up 2 day shipping a DasKeyboard with MX Blue keys from Amazon. It's phenomenal to type on, to the point that I'm pretty much just posting this for an excuse to type something. As an aside, the keys really are very clacky. It sounds just like a typewriter.
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Jun 14, 2013 04:15
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Saw some pictures of a Corsair "K50" at Computex. Looks like a membrane version of the K90.
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Jun 14, 2013 04:50
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Keys on MX blues will always be clicky but they will be more silent if you don't bottom out. I might buy a Topre keyboard with my birthday money.
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Jun 14, 2013 12:42
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Tunga posted:Doesn't look like they offer UK layout. They do, I have one HalloKitty posted:They normally do: 105-key. Out of stock right now, though; I imagine it's because they're gearing up for WASD V2 keyboards. Oh, that's a shame, I pointed some colleagues towards WASD a few days ago for the same thing
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Jun 16, 2013 14:06
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Tunga posted:Right, I did some reading around and it sounds like Browns are probably right for me. This is the keyboard I am currently using, and I am very happy with it. It does not have too many gaming related functions, and no backlights, so I believe this is the keyboard for you. They also offer the UK layout. The only extras they have are the 5 macro keys on the far left. They do take some time to get used to, but you will appreciate them if you do any sort of programming or gaming. They are very versatile, and can be programmed to perform many complex actions. The Stealth Edition uses brown switches, so go for that model. EDIT: Just realized it says US layout only, sorry. It would have been the perfect keyboard otherwise. Pseudo-God fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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Jun 17, 2013 19:10
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Tunga posted:Right, I did some reading around and it sounds like Browns are probably right for me. I did some looking around for the exact same thing last week. Check out Filco, Ducky, and Leopold. They all make keyboards with brown switches, that fit your description - don't know about their UK layout availability though.
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Jun 18, 2013 03:41
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I don't mind LED backlights or a bit of colour, as long as it still looks fairly sophisticated. The (non-mechanical) Logitech boards with the LCD screens on are the pinnacle of everything I hate about "gamer hardware" design. Right now I have a Microsoft/Razer Reclusa which has blue backlights and a few media keys and that's fine, I'm only replacing it because the USB connector is starting to break and I'd like something with mechanical switches since everyone raves about them.Dogen posted:Corsair K70 is supposedly coming in browns at some point. Astrobastard posted:They do, I have one Yeah that one looked alright but as you said, it's US only  .Maus posted:I did some looking around for the exact same thing last week. Check out Filco, Ducky, and Leopold. They all make keyboards with brown switches, that fit your description - don't know about their UK layout availability though. Another one I found is the Roccat Ryos which looks great but doesn't appear to have actually been released despite being announced something like five months ago. Basically it seems like it's impossible to actually find a decent Cherry Brown keyboard in the UK.
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Maus posted:I did some looking around for the exact same thing last week. Check out Filco, Ducky, and Leopold. They all make keyboards with brown switches, that fit your description - don't know about their UK layout availability though. Dunno about the others but you can get UK layout Filcos from http://www.keyboardco.com/, who also sell on Amazon. You want the ones listed as "tactile action" for MX Browns.
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I don't see any reason to get anything other than a CM Storm QuickFire with Browns if you can't/don't want to get a Filco. They're cheaper than a Filco and almost identical. I wanted to get a Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja originally as my first but they weren't going to be in stock at The Keyboard Company for months, I hadn't used a mechanical before so I didn't know if I like it or not and my keyboard was broken and annoying the poo poo out of me so I got one of these: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/cooler-master-cm-storm-quickfire-rapid-mechanical-cherry-black-mx-gaming-keyboard I bought it from there. Don't worry about the pictures, they don't come branded anymore and it's UK layout. I can take some photos of my own to show you, if you like. If I had a reason to get a new keyboard I'd probably get the Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja TKL with Browns again. I'd like to try Black switches but I can't be bothered messing around with returning it if I don't like it.
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chippy posted:Dunno about the others but you can get UK layout Filcos from http://www.keyboardco.com/, who also sell on Amazon. You want the ones listed as "tactile action" for MX Browns. quote:We are out of stock, but expecting more stock on Thursday the 15th of August uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:I don't see any reason to get anything other than a CM Storm QuickFire with Browns if you can't/don't want to get a Filco.
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Tunga posted:It's out of stock though: Oh sorry, didn't realise Keyboard Co were out of stock. Just bear in mind that the one you linked with Brown key is the trigger, not the Quickfire. There's a largeish price difference.
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chippy posted:Oh sorry, didn't realise Keyboard Co were out of stock. Just bear in mind that the one you linked with Brown key is the trigger, not the Quickfire. There's a largeish price difference.
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Jun 18, 2013 17:00
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There's also the Das Keyboard silent: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_30024.html
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Tunga posted:That's cool, the QuickFire seems to be missing a numerical keypad anyway, which I would definitely want. There are three different sizes / layouts of Cooler Master: page/arrows only, numpad only, or standard. Then each style is made with 3 or 4 different switch colors. And then there's different amounts of backlighting on the different models (none, partial around the WASD zone and arrows, and full). Their website has a pretty good browser for all the different models to see which variant has which features. Whether you can get stock of all the different models in the UK is an open question.
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Time to go old school, in keyboard terms: An old guy I helped out with some PC stuff had about 6 of these, a mix of new in box Avant Stellars and Northgate Omnikey Ultras. He gave me one of each as payment after I started drooling when laying eyes on them. It's all the glorious feel of the classic Apple Extended II, but with programability and extra macro keys. There is a notable difference in quality and consistency between the switches in the Northgate vs the Avant, the Northgate is absolutely better. I guess the best way to describe it is that the sharp tactile bump is much more crisp on it.
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Why do people insist using the stands to elevate the upper portion of the keyboard? Doesn't that put stress on your carpal tunnels? Wouldn't it be better the elevate the lower portion of the keyboard where the spacebar is?
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Jun 19, 2013 20:43
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Habit, probably.
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Are the Rosewill RK series still rebranded Filcos? I have one of the models with the faulty usb connector and I'm looking for another one (minus the broken connector of course). I thought I heard somewhere that they had changed the model, but I may be wrong there.
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KaneTW posted:Habit, probably. Yeah, it's a combination of outdated habits developed around old tech (typewriters and ancient all-in-ones) and the fact that a surprising number of people still can't type without looking at the keys. There are still people out there who balance the books without numpad proficiency and people who type code while visually confirming character locations. Imagine you can't touch-type competently, then imagine typing with all the keycaps tilted away from you. Labels become squat and nearly illegible. For good typists, the front-lift ought to be an industry-standard option instead of the dumb relic of rear-lift. Ergonomic declines would probably be more common if manufacturers used larger and taller letters along with consistently including popular OS shortcuts on key-fronts like the MS 4000.  edit: In the event that you're focused on ergonomics for some weird use-case where the keyboard is above sternum level, the rear-lift can actually make typing less awkward. Desktop computer for a poor dwarf? Rackmount keyboard placed too-high out of poor planning or spite? It's hard to think of anything common enough to justify the dumb incline as a universal feature. sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 20, 2013 |
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Jun 20, 2013 00:19
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Or just get a Filco ninja keyboard   I know, my keyboard really needs a cleaning
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icantfindaname posted:Are the Rosewill RK series still rebranded Filcos? I have one of the models with the faulty usb connector and I'm looking for another one. I thought I heard somewhere that they had changed the underlying model that they were rebranding as Rosewill, but I may be wrong there. If you have the bad usb connector -- not all the boards with the mini-usb socket are bad, just the first production run where they weren't secured -- you can send it back for a warranty replacement, they get 3 years.
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I just want to pop in and say that the Corsair K70 is way better than the K60 by lightyears. I own both and the Corsair K60 (Red Switches) still feel clunky compared to the K70 which are also red switches. Maybe it's only in my head? Who knows. Also, the reactive lighting gimmick is pretty nifty. If anyone was kind of hesitant on the K70, don't be. It has a solid build and anodized black just looks awesome. Oh and since some of you guys were talking about it, this keyboard does have front stands and rear stands but I prefer to lay my keyboards flat.
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Buffer Overflow posted:So my trusty MS ergonomic 4000 keyboard finally died after a few years of service. While I was picking up a replacement I got to try out the corsair k60 and obviously I had forgotten how much nicer using a keyboard with actual mechanical switches is. From what I can tell mechanical switches are mostly limited to gaming keyboards at this point and the only ergo ones are stuff like the Teck Truly Ergonomic Keyboard, the Kinesis Advantage or even more expensive stuff. Does anyone here use either the Teck or the Kinesis keyboards? I'm a programmer so I'm basically on the keyboard the entire day and I can touch type. I have a kinesis advantage; I got the pro uh, because, I have a bunch of silver hardware and I was splurging anyways. The larger (140 character?) macro capacity is nice too for documentation templates, comment blocks etc and because I've always wanted a footswitch I got the 3 pedal one instead of just the single. I have used it pretty extensively (4 years?) and I certainly don't regret spending the cash on it - the browns are a nice mechanical and suit the purpose of an ergo keyboard. There is a definite learning curve, particularly with the thumb keys (enter/space especially) - I sucked for the first week of use and it was weird to have to be checking finger positions and I still crank out more wpm on a standard 104. The ergo is really nice to use for extended sessions - I sit better, probably an artifact of having my elbows more out with the canted key-pods? The pedal is awesome, but since I rarely use it for anything other than shift probably I should have just got the single pedal. It's probably worth mentioning that I have had used mostly Model M's since the late 80's. I did use a ms natural for a while, and liked they layout but hated the mush. I'm still waay too hardwired to the M's for any gaming I do, so they both hang out on my desk. Transitioning between them is slightly weird; I relentlessly hammer at the model m, and the kinesis is more like playing a piano? Clearly, I need to buy an old organ to retrofit as a computer desk, so I can have more foot buttons, and the two decks for the keyboards..
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Cizzo posted:I just want to pop in and say that the Corsair K70 is way better than the K60 by lightyears. I own both and the Corsair K60 (Red Switches) still feel clunky compared to the K70 which are also red switches. Maybe it's only in my head? Who knows. Also, the reactive lighting gimmick is pretty nifty. If anyone was kind of hesitant on the K70, don't be. It has a solid build and anodized black just looks awesome. Oh and since some of you guys were talking about it, this keyboard does have front stands and rear stands but I prefer to lay my keyboards flat. Thanks for tipping me over the edge and making me upgrade my k60 jerk
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