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Russian Bear
Dec 26, 2007


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I guess when these lowlifes get their obama ‘fomes’…..they learn how to call their congressmen and demand more handouts. Then they call their pushers or their clients. The drug business continues to run at full steam. Happy days in the projects. Dark people are sooo………predictable.

Best comment from the phone article.

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Armani
Jun 22, 2008

Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

But every night I see her smile inside my dreams
I honestly want to report that entire comment section as a terrorist threat.

NatasDog
Feb 9, 2009

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Don't these people also want Bradley Manning to be crucified? Weren't these people all up in arms over the fact that the leaked video of an American helicopter literally murdering innocent reporters came about? Didn't I hear this same echo chamber saying that this sort of thing is the reason that censorship must exist because the left, via the media, only put it out there to make Bush look bad?

One of the right wing conspiracy nuts I worked with explained it like this; Snowden's leak is OK because he leaked it to the US press while Manning's a no good traitor because he shared it that dirty foreigner Assange and WikiLeaks, therefore punishable under the espionage act.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR
Let him know that Snowden leaked it to the British press.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Let him know that Snowden leaked it to the British press.

Technically speaking I think he leaked to the Guardian's US branch.

whaley
Aug 13, 2000

MY DOODOO IS SPRAYING OUT
Just a reminder that getting the extension that blocks YouTube comments was one of the best things to ever happen to me.

TheGreyGhost
Feb 14, 2012

“Go win the Heimlich Trophy!”
Edit: Well that's awkward...

TheGreyGhost fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jun 19, 2013

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR
Daily Currant is a joke site, like the Onion.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Radish posted:

"Generation Text" is similar to "Generation Wikileaks" that this article calls modern whistle-blowers.

I think he was saying "generation text" in the context of ragging on younger people/voters who only communicate or read anything if it's texted. He may have a point. I find it baffling that people text while driving, watching movies, eating dinner or whatever and still can't get my head around what's so loving important all the time.

Then again, I'm all :corsair:, use e-mail, have an answering machine and land line, call people and still have a flip phone.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



People still have landlines?

What was it like in the age of sail anyways?

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer
You're not that much older than me, Boat. Ditch that land line!

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

BiggerBoat posted:

I think he was saying "generation text" in the context of ragging on younger people/voters who only communicate or read anything if it's texted. He may have a point. I find it baffling that people text while driving, watching movies, eating dinner or whatever and still can't get my head around what's so loving important all the time.

Then again, I'm all :corsair:, use e-mail, have an answering machine and land line, call people and still have a flip phone.

It's not that anything is so important, it's that the overwhelming amount of information bombarding people every second of their waking lives has caused them to be overstimulated and to avoid dealing with the increasing complexity of the world we sort it out into simple rote tasks that we can repeat over and over again to avoid actually doing anything meaningful or challenging. People check their facebook and instagram and twitters 1000 times a day so they don't have to deal with anything of consequence.

Radbot
Aug 12, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

mr. mephistopheles posted:

It's not that anything is so important, it's that the overwhelming amount of information bombarding people every second of their waking lives has caused them to be overstimulated and to avoid dealing with the increasing complexity of the world we sort it out into simple rote tasks that we can repeat over and over again to avoid actually doing anything meaningful or challenging. People check their facebook and instagram and twitters 1000 times a day so they don't have to deal with anything of consequence.

There's a difference between texting and compulsive Facebook checking though.

the little spoon
May 30, 2005

mr. mephistopheles posted:

It's not that anything is so important, it's that the overwhelming amount of information bombarding people every second of their waking lives has caused them to be overstimulated and to avoid dealing with the increasing complexity of the world we sort it out into simple rote tasks that we can repeat over and over again to avoid actually doing anything meaningful or challenging. People check their facebook and instagram and twitters 1000 times a day so they don't have to deal with anything of consequence.

Those drat kids and their texting!

Maybe people check their texts and twitter because they like knowing what their friends and family are up to. No, it's because they're overstimulated and afraid of the complexity of the world.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

sidewalkjesus posted:

Those drat kids and their texting!

Maybe people check their texts and twitter because they like knowing what their friends and family are up to. No, it's because they're overstimulated and afraid of the complexity of the world.

It's easier to read about and comprehend your best friend's sandwich than it is to understand the massively complex economic issues that are wrecking the world's poo poo. Less terrifying, too.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



ToxicSlurpee posted:

It's easier to read about and comprehend your best friend's sandwich than it is to understand the massively complex economic issues that are wrecking the world's poo poo. Less terrifying, too.

It's not as if those things are mutually exclusive, and I think you'll find that most people weren't interested in that poo poo before they had texts and twitters.

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

sidewalkjesus posted:

Those drat kids and their texting!

Maybe people check their texts and twitter because they like knowing what their friends and family are up to. No, it's because they're overstimulated and afraid of the complexity of the world.

Yeah I totally am an old man who is out of touch with today's kids.

There's a difference between people who check their phones throughout the day and people who literally check it every two minutes because they don't know how to function otherwise. If you don't know people from both camps you probably don't know that many people. I have a friend that I can't go to the movies with anymore because he can't ignore his phone for 5 minutes, much less 90 and it's obnoxious having to tell a grown adult to put his drat phone away.

Fandyien posted:

It's not as if those things are mutually exclusive, and I think you'll find that most people weren't interested in that poo poo before they had texts and twitters.

Yes but they probably did more productive things while avoiding those issues than retweeting celebrity tweets and posting photos of every meal on instagram, and they probably had at least a basic awareness of the world around them rather than being oversaturated with non-information.

Anyway it's just a potential explanation that I'm far from the first person to suggest. It doesn't really have much to do with right wing media specifically, though, so I'm going to stop derailing.

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008

mr. mephistopheles posted:

Yes but they probably did more productive things while avoiding those issues than retweeting celebrity tweets and posting photos of every meal on instagram, and they probably had at least a basic awareness of the world around them rather than being oversaturated with non-information.

Anyway it's just a potential explanation that I'm far from the first person to suggest. It doesn't really have much to do with right wing media specifically, though, so I'm going to stop derailing.

You are hopelessly naive if you really thought that, I mean look at how much poo poo people don't believe. I had to explain to people that Buddhists are allowed in China and Sweden is not socialist, and this was from people who hate facebook, twitter, and all of the other poo poo.

the little spoon
May 30, 2005

mr. mephistopheles posted:

Yeah I totally am an old man who is out of touch with today's kids.

There's a difference between people who check their phones throughout the day and people who literally check it every two minutes because they don't know how to function otherwise. If you don't know people from both camps you probably don't know that many people. I have a friend that I can't go to the movies with anymore because he can't ignore his phone for 5 minutes, much less 90 and it's obnoxious having to tell a grown adult to put his drat phone away.

Your first post seemed to be talking about people generally instead of the very specific people you're talking about now. So yeah, people that can't sit through a movie without checking their phone are ridiculous. So are people that can't sit through a movie without talking through most of it. The problem is that only one of those things is cited as a reason that kids today are awful.

The first group of people is overwhelmingly young because that's the demographic of people that are very connected with technology.

quote:

Yes but they probably did more productive things while avoiding those issues than retweeting celebrity tweets and posting photos of every meal on instagram, and they probably had at least a basic awareness of the world around them rather than being oversaturated with non-information.

Anyway it's just a potential explanation that I'm far from the first person to suggest. It doesn't really have much to do with right wing media specifically, though, so I'm going to stop derailing.

No, they didn't have a better understanding of the world around them. They were undecided on whether African-Americans should be allowed to drink from the same water fountain as white people, and they're still not aware that gay people aren't going to destroy America.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Hate to break it to you, mr. mephistopheles, but there was no golden age of democracy when people all informed themselves about the world around them. Citizens have gotten more apathetic towards voting, but given the relatively tiny amount their vote counts for, and the even tinier potential for real change in policy direction, I don't blame them.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Thump! posted:

People still have landlines?

What was it like in the age of sail anyways?


Soonmot posted:

You're not that much older than me, Boat. Ditch that land line!

True story:

The security system on my house and my HOA require a land line in order for it to work. It's cheaper for me to get the land line, internet and some semblance of basic cable than it is to just get the internet and phone, if you can believe it. There's no other cable/internet/land line provider in my area so Comcast gets to do what it wants. I hardly live in the sticks either.

I also own a beach home in St. Augustine and the security system there doesn't work without land line service either. Without a security system working, if I get robbed, I get hosed over by my insurance company.

The free market, ladies and gentlemen!

I know this has nothing to do with right wing media, really, but dittoheads and republicans would probably just say "who told you to own TWO homes?! Just get a better paying jobs to pay for the land lines!" etc. etc.

I don't know about the age of sail, Thump, but the age of not constantly having a machine making a noise that you were expected to immediately pay attention to, checking your messages when you got home, calling people when you had a spare moment and enjoying some semblance of balance between privacy and being on call 24/7/365 were actually sort of OK.

edit:

Holy poo poo. Rush caused a de-rail.

Is there a "Texting/Cell phone/Facebook" thread somewhere? A "Modern age of communication" D&D thread? Because, honestly, I've sent maybe 25 texts in my entire life, am not on Facebook and never feel like I'm really missing anything. I'm not a complete shut in. I have friends, a wife, a kid and two homes. I write down things I need to do on a little note pad.

I am old.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jun 20, 2013

ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008
Landlines are still useful for fax machines and houses with lovely cell phone reception.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx
Plus a lot of phone companies offer unlimited long distance now in order to compete with cell phones. It's actually pretty nice for older people who have no desire to ever get a cell.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
Cell-only households is generally higher in poorer areas then richer areas, due to the fact that even cheap landline plans are still more expensive then getting a $20 Tracfone with a hundred minutes or so.

The CDC makes reports yearly-ish on wireless vs landline usage:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr061.pdf

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

BiggerBoat posted:

True story:

The security system on my house and my HOA require a land line in order for it to work. It's cheaper for me to get the land line, internet and some semblance of basic cable than it is to just get the internet and phone, if you can believe it. There's no other cable/internet/land line provider in my area so Comcast gets to do what it wants. I hardly live in the sticks either.

I also own a beach home in St. Augustine and the security system there doesn't work without land line service either. Without a security system working, if I get robbed, I get hosed over by my insurance company.

The free market, ladies and gentlemen!

I know this has nothing to do with right wing media, really, but dittoheads and republicans would probably just say "who told you to own TWO homes?! Just get a better paying jobs to pay for the land lines!" etc. etc.

I don't know about the age of sail, Thump, but the age of not constantly having a machine making a noise that you were expected to immediately pay attention to, checking your messages when you got home, calling people when you had a spare moment and enjoying some semblance of balance between privacy and being on call 24/7/365 were actually sort of OK.

edit:

Holy poo poo. Rush caused a de-rail.

Is there a "Texting/Cell phone/Facebook" thread somewhere? A "Modern age of communication" D&D thread? Because, honestly, I've sent maybe 25 texts in my entire life, am not on Facebook and never feel like I'm really missing anything. I'm not a complete shut in. I have friends, a wife, a kid and two homes. I write down things I need to do on a little note pad.

I am old.

You're not alone.

My company builds FTTH to gated communities as they're being built. They're the next big thing here in MS. We used to offer TV services. Still do, really, but no one takes it. They all want land line for security systems and high speed net. Every single person gets DirecTV for their television.

SnakePlissken
Dec 31, 2009

by zen death robot

BiggerBoat posted:

Holy poo poo. Rush caused a de-rail.

That's what he does best.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

Howard Kurtz decided to move from CNN to Fox News:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/howard-kurtz-leaves-cnn-for-fox-93109.html

Honestly I'm not surprised, it seems like he's been pretty critical of non-Fox News media to begin with. And this is coming off of one embarrassing mistake after another recently. He'll fit right at home there.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Vertical Lime posted:

Howard Kurtz decided to move from CNN to Fox News:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/howard-kurtz-leaves-cnn-for-fox-93109.html

Honestly I'm not surprised, it seems like he's been pretty critical of non-Fox News media to begin with. And this is coming off of one embarrassing mistake after another recently. He'll fit right at home there.

Hannity is already saying he's full of poo poo and he hates him. So, yeah, he'll fit in great alongside O'Reilly.

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

I've gotten into fights with my girlfriend because my phone rang while we were hanging out and I looked at it, ignored it, and decided I'd call the person back in a few hours. She thinks it's so absurd that I can keep going about my day without immediately finding out why that person called me.

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer
That graph showing how SNAP has the best return on the dollar, is that in this thread? I've gone back a bunch of pages and tried Google but the one I saw here at SA was the best.
Little help?

Found it here at MediaMatters. Not sure my GOP pal is gonna buy it.

Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 20, 2013

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
My uncle countered that graph with THE GOVERNMENT NEVER DOES ANYTHING GOOD or something like that.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Install Gentoo posted:

Cell-only households is generally higher in poorer areas then richer areas, due to the fact that even cheap landline plans are still more expensive then getting a $20 Tracfone with a hundred minutes or so.

The CDC makes reports yearly-ish on wireless vs landline usage:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr061.pdf

At the risk of sounding :freep:, how does telephone ownership fall within the CDC's wheelhouse? I'd expect it to be monitored by, I dunno, the FTC or some defense agency.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Grand Prize Winner posted:

At the risk of sounding :freep:, how does telephone ownership fall within the CDC's wheelhouse? I'd expect it to be monitored by, I dunno, the FTC or some defense agency.

Just a guess, but the CDC is responsible for all sorts of sociological monitoring, as it allows them to better model outbreaks and tailor response programs.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
How else are they going to mass call people to stay home and die peacefully from the UN superflu? :freep:

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

ToxicSlurpee posted:

It's easier to read about and comprehend your best friend's sandwich than it is to understand the massively complex economic issues that are wrecking the world's poo poo. Less terrifying, too.

You can do both dude, having to actually tell someone this out loud is killing me.

Edit: wow I should have hit refresh.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Phone posted:

My uncle countered that graph with THE GOVERNMENT NEVER DOES ANYTHING GOOD or something like that.

Why does your uncle hate the troops?

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

He doesn't hate the troops, he hates that drat government that won't let them glass those a-rabs in Iraqistan.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
No man, no problem - Iosef Stalin

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

Cordyceps Headache posted:

Hate to break it to you, mr. mephistopheles, but there was no golden age of democracy when people all informed themselves about the world around them.

I never said or even implied this. I said they were more aware of the world around them as in engaged in it. That doesn't necessarily mean more informed.

Grand Prize Winner posted:

At the risk of sounding :freep:, how does telephone ownership fall within the CDC's wheelhouse? I'd expect it to be monitored by, I dunno, the FTC or some defense agency.

It looks like they asked about that detail as part of an immunization survey.

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Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Grand Prize Winner posted:

At the risk of sounding :freep:, how does telephone ownership fall within the CDC's wheelhouse? I'd expect it to be monitored by, I dunno, the FTC or some defense agency.

The CDC collects data on just about everything that can be linked to health outcomes in one way or another - phones are an easy one, there's major outcome differences for someone who can't call 911 vs people who can, for example.

In this one, they have statistics for people of various health statuses and the relation with what kinds of phones they have access to:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/wireless201212.pdf

(page 15)

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