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double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

NOTinuyasha posted:

big nerd ranch makes a good objective-c book

programming in objective-c is the best one

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:17

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# ? May 12, 2024 17:53

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:

boost::scoped_array m8

even msvc has std::array, how old is your compiler

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:18

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

Jerry SanDisky posted:

even msvc has std::array, how old is your compiler

OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:

ancient gcc extension that still complains if u don't specify a compile time const value when u initialise arrays.

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:20

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

also, our 'modern' platforms for real can't use any c++11 features cos we still have some boxes on rhel4

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:22

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

you're a braver person than me, i can't write c++ anymore without c++11 stuff

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:30

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

truly the terrible programmer safe zone/hideout

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:42

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

i'm forced to write code using oci and occi

please someone give me succor

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:52

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

uG posted:

truly the terrible programmer safe zone/hideout

now that you're here

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:53

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

well i do have many adventures in c++ i just dont want to remember them

# ? Jun 22, 2013 16:59

Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

If you learn Objective-C from a book be prepared to do a substantial amount of catch-up reading on line.

# ? Jun 22, 2013 17:29

Scorponok: May 13, 2002; No... not without incident.

Bloody posted:

does it take any effort at all to convert a project from using g++ to using llvm because if it does then i don't care because after this project i strongly hope to never use the c++ again

Clang doesn't support some of the same compiler parameters as gcc (-f-whatever), and is more picky about some code and will want you to fix it. For our app (hundreds of thousands of lines of code) it wasn't a big deal to port, maybe a couple of days IIRC? the worst thing was doing precomplied headers in a way that worked the same in clang and visual studio 2005 (yes, it's true, I long for death).

Ask me about the horrors of maintaining an app that builds itself on OS X using nmake, the horrible make tool included with MS visual studio and not updated in 10 years!

Sent from my iPad

# ? Jun 22, 2013 17:42

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

my limited experience with ruby made me respect the language, it was much better than I ever expected. idk it's like ruby got oop right or something at least compared to python, perl or... php.

# ? Jun 23, 2013 14:14

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

also I like to think that sulk is a dumbass and doesn't know poo poo

# ? Jun 23, 2013 14:15

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Symbolic Butt posted:

my limited experience with ruby made me respect the language, it was much better than I ever expected. idk it's like ruby got oop right or something at least compared to python, perl or... php.

can you give me a thumbnail sketch of how it got oop right and the others got it wrong?

(not being a snarky prick; genuinely curious, because something about ruby gives me the heebie-jeebies and/or the willies)

# ? Jun 23, 2013 14:29

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Ruby code:

666.class # => Fixnum
(69 ** 420).class # => Bignum
5.+(6) # => 11

it's all objects

Ruby code:

m = 5.method(:+) # => #<Method: Fixnum#+>
m.call 6 # => 11
m.receiver # => 5

# ? Jun 23, 2013 15:47

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

ruby: has objects that respond to messages. this invokes methods. has lisp-2 style namespaces for method calls and variables. uses observer/internal iterators pushing a callback to the object. uses require/include to build scripts.

python: has objects that have attributes. this invokes functions. single namespace. self is lexically scoped. uses external iterators that return a value. has a library system.

both imperative call by object style scripting languages hth

# ? Jun 23, 2013 17:32

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

Symbolic Butt posted:

also I like to think that sulk is a dumbass and doesn't know poo poo

ruby is bad not as much because it's slow and is mostly used for web poo poo, but because of the way that a majority of ruby programmers write their code. also there are way too many tdd zealots who are worse than any javascript obsessor

# ? Jun 23, 2013 18:22

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

i think all of the bad stuff in ruby is from people starting with rails and then moving backwards to ruby and applying all of rail's design idioms to their ruby programs even though they don't make sense in that context.

like me for instance

# ? Jun 23, 2013 18:56

weird: Jun 4, 2012; by zen death robot

Ruby has Lisp-2 style namespaces? But Lisp-2s are awful and I thought Ruby was supposed to be hip and cool

# ? Jun 23, 2013 21:29

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

i dont know who lied to you about ruby being hip or cool but they lied its just another p-lang

# ? Jun 23, 2013 22:19

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

chef uses ruby and chef is p good

the bang method thing is really stupid though. sometimes it means mutation, other times it means throwing exceptions, and still other times it means commit?? sounds like what it really means is "im a dumbass terrible p-langer who cant design an api to save my life so i'll just put in every method i can think of and add ! to some of them"

# ? Jun 23, 2013 23:26

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Cocoa Crispies posted:

Ruby code:
5.+(6) # => 11

i'm not sure exactly why this weirds me out, but it does

# ? Jun 24, 2013 00:59

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

prefect posted:

i'm not sure exactly why this weirds me out, but it does

scala does the same thing

# ? Jun 24, 2013 01:51

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

prefect posted:

i'm not sure exactly why this weirds me out, but it does

numbers arent objects thats why

# ? Jun 24, 2013 02:01

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

numbers as objects is cool, it lets you do things like

code:

class Numeric
   def prime?
      #find if self is prime, return bool
   end
end

3.prime?
=> true

of course overriding base classes is a terrible idea if you're working on a large codebase but it makes personal projects like project euler a lot of fun

# ? Jun 24, 2013 03:28

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

eax.mov(esp.asAddr())

EVERYTHING is an object :colbert:

# ? Jun 24, 2013 03:42

Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

prefect posted:

i'm not sure exactly why this weirds me out, but it does

yeah same, makes my brain itch

# ? Jun 24, 2013 03:43

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

i am using eclipse to write python code for some personal projects

does this make me a bad person

should i take the time (b/c these projects aren't particularly urgent) to swot up on vim/emacs/whatever it is the cool kids swear by

# ? Jun 24, 2013 04:38

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

just use sublime text

# ? Jun 24, 2013 04:49

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

i like vim cause every fuckin thing has vim on it + you can trick out your local copy

# ? Jun 24, 2013 05:01

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

just use sublime text

it's the perfect editor for the choosy programmer who is not crippled by autism

# ? Jun 24, 2013 05:49

Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

chumpchous posted:

programmer who is not crippled by autism

# ? Jun 24, 2013 05:59

uG: Apr 23, 2003; by Ralp

i use sublime text on windows 7

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:01

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

uG posted:

i use sublime text on windows 7

lol

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:28

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

chumpchous posted:

just use sublime text

it's the perfect editor for the choosy programmer who is not crippled by autism

lmao

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:29

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

*pays 70 dollars for a text editor*

*calls other programmers autistic*

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:31

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

just use gvim idiots

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:33

Doc Block: Apr 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:

just use mvim idiots

ftfy, because :lol:

if u don't use mac

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:33

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

prefect posted:

can you give me a thumbnail sketch of how it got oop right and the others got it wrong?

(not being a snarky prick; genuinely curious, because something about ruby gives me the heebie-jeebies and/or the willies)

uh no, I can't? sorry I'm a terrible programmer. I guess it boils down a lot to the syntax, in ruby oop feels much more at home compared to say python. here's my sorry excuse for an example:

Ruby code:

class Pair
    attr_accessor :x, :y
    def initialize(x, y)
        @x = x
        @y = y
    end
    def norm
        Math.sqrt(x*x + y*y)
    end
end

class PolarPair < Pair
    attr_accessor :r, :theta
    def initialize(r, theta)
        @r = r
        @theta = theta
    end
    def x
        @r * Math.cos(@theta)
    end
    def y
        @r * Math.sin(@theta)
    end
    def x= a
        b = y
        @theta = Math.atan2(b, a)
        @r = Math.sqrt(a*a + b*b)
        self
    end
    def y= b
        a = y
        @theta = Math.atan2(b, a)
        @r = Math.sqrt(a*a + b*b)
        self
    end
end

Python code:

import math

class Pair(object):
    def __init__(self, x, y):
        self.x = x
        self.y = y
    def norm(self):
        return math.sqrt(self.x*self.x + self.y*self.y)

class PolarPair(Pair):
    def __init__(self, r, theta):
        self.r = r
        self.theta = theta
    @property
    def x(self):
        return self.r * math.cos(self.theta)
    @property
    def y(self):
        return self.r * math.sin(self.theta)
    @x.setter
    def x(self, a):
        b = y
        self.theta = math.atan2(b, a)
        self.r = math.sqrt(a*a + b*b)
        return self
    @y.setter
    def y(self, b):
        a = y
        self.theta = math.atan2(b, a)
        self.r = math.sqrt(a*a + b*b)
        return self

also I loved messing around with the comparable/enumerable mixins poo poo. but yeah, I'm a suspicious person to say anything, I rarely done any non-trivial oop

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:38

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# ? May 12, 2024 17:53

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

gucci void main posted:

ruby is bad not as much because it's slow and is mostly used for web poo poo, but because of the way that a majority of ruby programmers write their code. also there are way too many tdd zealots who are worse than any javascript obsessor

oh ok, that sounds fair enough

# ? Jun 24, 2013 07:39

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