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I worked at two different Walmarts in 2007 (?) and 2011 in Wisconsin and Washington. They were basically the only games in town that were hiring (this is basically in the middle of the latest recession), and I was lucky to get full time each time at a decent rate by Walmart standards ($9 and $10.20, respectively). Other places would call and offer 16 hours of minimum wage a week. Walmart, by contrast, has a bizarre system where you get tiny pay hikes (in the vicinity of 30 cents each) based on each parcel of your previous experience. If you have a degree and experience going back to 2002, you will receive a small boon from the Wallygod. If you get into Walmart, try to get into electronics. There is always something to do. The cashiers are all on metrics and hate life, the loaders are underpaid compared to the rest of the store, and if you prove you can hack it in electronics you are fast-tracked, at least by Walmart standards. Everywhere else in the store is probably going to be a ghost town, aside from perhaps TLE, which I was never involved in. Just never, never get into loading. For starters, other than maybe the bakery, it's the most annoying job in the store. I knew a guy who worked there for five years in Wisconsin, and I started two dollars above the most he ever made. Name Change fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jun 24, 2013 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I worked at two different Walmarts in 2007 (?) and 2011 in Wisconsin and Washington. They were basically the only games in town that were hiring (this is basically in the middle of the latest recession), and I was lucky to get full time each time at a decent rate by Walmart standards ($9 and $10.20, respectively). Other places would call and offer 16 hours of minimum wage a week. Walmart, by contrast, has a bizarre system where you get tiny pay hikes (in the vicinity of 30 cents each) based on each parcel of your previous experience. If you have a degree and experience going back to 2002, you will receive a small boon from the Wallygod. I was making $12.25 an hour at Walmart when I quit as a CSM. They started me at $8.60. Also at a Walmart in Wisconsin. My brother is an unloader there, but he has Aspergers and extreme self-confidence issues, so I fear he'll never get out. 
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Retail Slave posted:I was making $12.25 an hour at Walmart when I quit as a CSM. They started me at $8.60. Also at a Walmart in Wisconsin. CSM as in a Customer Service Manager? Getting paid $12.25? Man, gently caress Wal Mart. After reading about 10 pages of this thread, I've come to the conclusion that maybe my job over at the warehouse club isn't so bad. Why yes I will take $18 an hour to operate this cash register and say Hi how are you doing and have a great evening over and over again. Santheb fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 24, 2013 |
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Holy gently caress, this is a depressing thread. Well, my university is on the quarter system, so I am stuck in Las Vegas until almost October. I don't imagine it would be better to do nothing with my life for three months. I would love some opportunity in a casino, but I'm only 20, and many of them want me to be able to sell alcohol. I guess I will follow your guy's lead and apply to everywhere possible. Dear god, I hope somewhere other than Walmart answers.
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Snipee posted:Holy gently caress, this is a depressing thread. Well, my university is on the quarter system, so I am stuck in Las Vegas until almost October. I don't imagine it would be better to do nothing with my life for three months. I would love some opportunity in a casino, but I'm only 20, and many of them want me to be able to sell alcohol. I guess I will follow your guy's lead and apply to everywhere possible. Dear god, I hope somewhere other than Walmart answers. Avoid retail if you can, to sum it up its loving terrible. If you aren't hurting for money volunteer in something tangentially related to your goal career. It'll help you get some of the mandatory "3-5 years industry experience" that is becoming ever more prevalent and won't stick you in a poo poo job.
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Retail Slave posted:I was making $12.25 an hour at Walmart when I quit as a CSM. They started me at $8.60. Also at a Walmart in Wisconsin. Thinking back, I think I worked five months total at both places. It was a long five months.
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Santheb posted:CSM as in a Customer Service Manager? Getting paid $12.25? Man, gently caress Wal Mart. For what it's worth, I used to make $12.10/hr as a zone supervisor for Walmart, which is the highest hourly supervisor position in a normal store. Walmart is developing a huge divide between people that make decent money because they worked there prior to the recession, and new hires which are largely temps, all start at shitpay, and are locked into shitpay forever with at most 50 cent per year raises all you can expect for compensation.
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Santheb posted:CSM as in a Customer Service Manager? Getting paid $12.25? Man, gently caress Wal Mart. Yeah unless you want to get into the Assistant Store Manager -> Store Manager managerial track, you're not going to see any real money by going from peon to department head peon. Of course, and this might vary from store to store, department heads do get a lot more hours than the associates. But thinking on it, that's only technically a good thing. litany of gulps posted:For what it's worth, I used to make $12.10/hr as a zone supervisor for Walmart, which is the highest hourly supervisor position in a normal store. Walmart is developing a huge divide between people that make decent money because they worked there prior to the recession, and new hires which are largely temps, all start at shitpay, and are locked into shitpay forever with at most 50 cent per year raises all you can expect for compensation. It must be a regional/different store thing, because the most my wife can get as far as yearly raises go is 40 cents, and that sort of depends on how much the ASM that gives her the yearly review likes her, apparently. Santheb posted:After reading about 10 pages of this thread, I've come to the conclusion that maybe my job over at the warehouse club isn't so bad. Why yes I will take $18 an hour to operate this cash register and say Hi how are you doing and have a great evening over and over again. Goddamn, how long have you been at that store? Because a lot of the wholesale clubs in the area seem to be slowly going the "self checkout for all!" route.
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Places do yearly raises? Man, where I'm stuck working, I've had two reviews in six years, and I make a whopping forty cents over minimum wage as a result of those reviews.
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Angry Tiny Man posted:Places do yearly raises? Man, where I'm stuck working, I've had two reviews in six years, and I make a whopping forty cents over minimum wage as a result of those reviews. My wife works at Sears and only got a raise because their Operations manager had to pitch a fit to corporate when she was moved to the RTV position. Most people there haven't seen a raise in well over five years now.
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a big fat bunny posted:Goddamn, how long have you been at that store? Because a lot of the wholesale clubs in the area seem to be slowly going the "self checkout for all!" route. 6 years. Started at 11, now I'm up to 18. Costco isn't ever going to do a self checkout. I'm about 500 hours away from being at 19, next after that is topout at 22.xx.
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Angry Tiny Man posted:Places do yearly raises? Man, where I'm stuck working, I've had two reviews in six years, and I make a whopping forty cents over minimum wage as a result of those reviews. Haha I've had four glowing reviews in four years and not a single cent's raise.  I love making minimum wage!!
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Santheb posted:6 years. Started at 11, now I'm up to 18. Costco isn't ever going to do a self checkout. I'm about 500 hours away from being at 19, next after that is topout at 22.xx. For reference on why Costco is awesome: http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2013-06-06/costco-ceo-craig-jelinek-leads-the-cheapest-happiest-company-in-the-world I'm at AT&T retail, and the union makes sure you get raises every 6 months (once you plateau to like, $16 an hour it does go to yearly), plus you still have commission. It isn't great by a lot of standards, but if you don't mind having to actively sell wireless retail at least pays better.
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Santheb posted:CSM as in a Customer Service Manager? Getting paid $12.25? Man, gently caress Wal Mart. It was more of a supervisory role. I wasn't really "management" but I did have some authority to make customer-related decisions and when I was there my job was making sure the front end ran smoothly. In reality, it was Hell, and exacerbated my already problematic depression to where I was seriously contemplating suicide. I'm better now, though. 
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Duckman2008 posted:For reference on why Costco is awesome: This is fantastic to read about. Costco is about to open its first Australian Stores.
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Santheb posted:6 years. Started at 11, now I'm up to 18. Costco isn't ever going to do a self checkout. I'm about 500 hours away from being at 19, next after that is topout at 22.xx.
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Costco is probably the only retail chain in America at which you can make a livable wage. AMAZINGLY, they are not on the verge of bankruptcy! How is this possible?!?
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Snipee posted:Holy gently caress, this is a depressing thread. Well, my university is on the quarter system, so I am stuck in Las Vegas until almost October. I don't imagine it would be better to do nothing with my life for three months. I would love some opportunity in a casino, but I'm only 20, and many of them want me to be able to sell alcohol. I guess I will follow your guy's lead and apply to everywhere possible. Dear god, I hope somewhere other than Walmart answers. It's a sign for you to avoid retail like the loving plague. I did retail in college and I never want to go back to that world again. What are you majoring in? Can you get an internship, or can you self-study and do projects outside of school? The latter isn't too hard to jump into if you're doing something like Computer Science or Engineering.
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Amateur Saboteur posted:Well, where do you live? Because $18 an hour in NY is an entire world of difference from $18 in, say Louisiana or some place where a pack of cigarettes is $3. I'm in Virginia. If I'm lucky and buy in the county, I can find my smokes for $3.71 a pack  Its actually a not so bad place to work if you don't have a college education. This year I'll get 3 weeks paid vacation, 72 hours of sick time (which is cashed out on the check after your anniversary, I had 26 leftover hours this year), paid major holidays off, and benefits. Time and a half every Sunday. They say they care about their employees and for the most part, they do. I can genuinely say I do not hate my job, as monotonous as it is, because of the wage they pay and because I truly like some of the people I work with. Plus they don't make us wear a uniform. You can wear shorts in the wintertime, they really don't care, just treat the members well and don't be a slacker.
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Santheb posted:I'm in Virginia. If I'm lucky and buy in the county, I can find my smokes for $3.71 a pack That's really very good, and actually pretty drat close to what you'd get here in Australia. (just add maybe $2 an hour, an extra week's vacation, 3 more days sick pay and double time and a half for Holidays if you choose not to have them off.) Costco amazes me, compared to the horrors I've read in this thread. In fact, considering the differences in the cost of living, you may even be better off than Australian retail workers... The cheapest pack of smokes you'd be able to buy here would be around $12 for a 20 pack.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Costco is probably the only retail chain in America at which you can make a livable wage. AMAZINGLY, they are not on the verge of bankruptcy! How is this possible?!? But are they the most profitable? The FYGM thinking that goes on in the mind's of those in control of the company only cares about this quarter's profitability and drat everything else. I also wonder how they have done as the internet increased competition with brick and mortar retail stores. I know mine has been hurt by it and instead of trying to innovate and find a way to stay relevant, we get required to collect emails.
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That write up on Costco is equally amazing and depressing considering I work at Walmart. I love my job for some ungodly reason but my pay is utter bullshit. My living wage affords me a lovely apartment, lovely cigarettes, and ramen loving noodles. There's a Costco in a reasonable commuting distance from me which I hope needs someone in there back room...
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I've been at my work for 2 years and I've had a 12 Cent raise in that time. I make a whole $7.72/hour. I typically get around 20 hours a week So after taxes I get like $250 a paycheck every other week. I could never live off that, but fortunately I have a fiance whom I love very much and he's actually being successful in his life and has in internship in his chosen field and gets about $1000 a month. That's much easier to live off and between both of us we live in a cheap rear end apartment in a not great side of town. We can afford to go out to eat a couple times a week and even saved up enough to buy a new $400 tv.  Of course I could always use more money so I may be looking for a way to get out of this store here soon. Anyone have any experience with sales? I love selling merch and in electronics I love telling people about games and tablets, etc, but I don't make any commission. I have been toying with the idea of trying to find a place you make commission off sales. Also Costco sounds amazing. Do you have to have a membership to work there? I'm not a member.
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Another Costco goon checking in, I guess. I mostly just read this thread when I'm mad about work to remember how much worse it could really be. My heart goes out to you all My advice to anyone trying to get in: apply around September, be willing to take whatever you're offered and bust your rear end. We end up keeping at least 50% of the seasonals if they're not complete shitwits.
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Buggiezor posted:I've been at my work for 2 years and I've had a 12 Cent raise in that time. I make a whole $7.72/hour. I typically get around 20 hours a week So after taxes I get like $250 a paycheck every other week. I could never live off that, but fortunately I have a fiance whom I love very much and he's actually being successful in his life and has in internship in his chosen field and gets about $1000 a month. That's much easier to live off and between both of us we live in a cheap rear end apartment in a not great side of town. We can afford to go out to eat a couple times a week and even saved up enough to buy a new $400 tv. I have experience with electronics sales and I'd say to stay away from it. It has become a cesspool of extended warranties and even more inane metrics than a regular retail job. The commission was a love-hate relationship, during the Christmas season I could take home a 3000$ paycheck without putting in much effort but during mid July I'd be taking home worse than what you have there with my shittiest paycheck being 179$ after tax. That was until RadioShack took over and they gutted everything, we got paid minimum wage and the highest commission we could get from something was 10$.
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Electronics is basically "sell them the $60 HDMI cable set and the $100 wall mount in addition to the TV!" if it's a real sales position. Meanwhile, on the Internet: http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Cables-Video-Interconnects-Accessories/b?ie=UTF8&node=202505011 I have bought an HDMI cable for $.01 + shipping before.
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Buggiezor posted:I've been at my work for 2 years and I've had a 12 Cent raise in that time. I make a whole $7.72/hour. I typically get around 20 hours a week So after taxes I get like $250 a paycheck every other week. I could never live off that, but fortunately I have a fiance whom I love very much and he's actually being successful in his life and has in internship in his chosen field and gets about $1000 a month. That's much easier to live off and between both of us we live in a cheap rear end apartment in a not great side of town. We can afford to go out to eat a couple times a week and even saved up enough to buy a new $400 tv. You need a new job, you are way more valuable than that pay rate. I've worked "electronics" for 5+ years. Avoid big box like Best Buy and Radioshack, I would recommend applying to a 3rd party (franchise) wireless company, be it selling Sprint, TMobile, AT&T, whatever. I started working at Cricket for Christ sake, and they all start at at least $10-12 an hour (factoring in commission). Most corp jobs (wireless and other wise) certainly pay better than that, but its way easier to get a job at a franchise, and it gives you really good sales experience (or you learn that it isn't for you). I certainly am doing well overall myself, and I know a lot of other people who used it as a spring board. It isn't for everyone, and its more than just talking (sometimes you have to sell stuff you aren't big on, and pressure is def more than it once was), but its a drat site better than $7.72 an hour. Just avoid straight commission, that tends to really burn people out, especially new people. Hourly + commission is the way to go. On that note, this is just a personal gripe, but it amazes me how little Best Buy, Wal-Mart and the like pay their wireless people (I worked a brief stint at Best Buy Mobile) and it really irritates me every once and a while how much commission I likely lose due to people buying phones that are cheaper there because of said low wages. It goes into the whole problem that people just want the lowest priced poo poo no matter what, and then as a result we have an economy of extremely underpaid workers.
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Costco is so amazing that their application doesn't even talk down to you. I just recently applied there (fingers crossed) and there's none of that loving "IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG TO TAKE MONEY FROM A CASH REGISTER?" "WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER DOING DRUGS WHILE WORKING?" x100 'personality test' bullshit.
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All this Costco talk has made me curious enough to see what the award conditions are for Costco Australia, now that they have 3 stores in the country. (the document is here, if anyone is interested.) I'm hugely impressed. Costo appears to have significantly exceed the typical Australian conditions... pay STARTS at $22 per hour... The Australian minimum wage is around $16, I myself get $20.05. The pay goes up to $31, depending on seniority and job functions... Receiving pay rises on an individual basis based on how long you've been working for a company is almost unheard of in Australian retail. The part that impresses me the most is that there are no Junior pay rates for people under 21. It's normal here for people under 21 to receive progressively less pay (which is unfairly discriminatory I've always felt), so for eg a 14 year old working for my company only gets 45% of the normal pay rate, and that percentage rises each year till the age of 21. Costco pays everyone the full rate regardless of how old they are. edit: holy crap they give regular grunts who've been with the company for a few years a $3k annual bonus. The Lord Bude fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jun 26, 2013 |
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Jesus, even converted a $16 minimum wage is still twice the American minimum wage. So basically what we learned from this (not to mention all the ridiculous legislation going on today) is that the US is not a good country to work in if you like being treated like a human being.
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Drakkel posted:Jesus, even converted a $16 minimum wage is still twice the American minimum wage. Please bear in mind that we have a significantly higher cost of living here (although I still believe we are better off, if only for stuff like mandatory paid leave/sick leave/decent affordable healthcare). For example, in a major city it would be very difficult to find a place to rent for less than $300 a week, even in the crappiest neighbourhoods, and you should expect to pay $300 a month for the most basic utilities/internet. Petrol for the car is usually around $1.40 - $1.80 per litre depending on the city you live in.($5.2 - $6.8 per US gallon). The average family of 4 passing through my checkout seems to spend $200 - 300 per week on groceries, and my store isn't in a particularly affluent area. A new release DVD will cost you $30, a paperback around $24, and most new release video games around $80 - 120.
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Well I applied online at Costco because all signs point to it being a good place to work. Hopefully I hear back from them. And if not, I think this will still trigger me finally trying to get away from the lovely Toy Store chain I work for. Wish me luck guys!
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I just started at Wal-Mart this week. I'm in produce making $8.10. From what I've seen so far things are terribly mismanaged. My department is grossly understaffed. The computer based trainings don't do poo poo to prepare you for the job and I've heard my boss complaining about managers from time to time. I know I should give it more time but I really miss my old job watching kids at the YMCA. It paid less but I actually took pride in my work. And to think, my friend is washing dishes for $10.
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Red Suit posted:I just started at Wal-Mart this week. I'm in produce making $8.10. From what I've seen so far things are terribly mismanaged. My department is grossly understaffed. The computer based trainings don't do poo poo to prepare you for the job and I've heard my boss complaining about managers from time to time. I know I should give it more time but I really miss my old job watching kids at the YMCA. It paid less but I actually took pride in my work. My Wal-Mart was hideously mismanaged, too. I worked as a cashier, and we never had enough people. Every day, a CSM and/or people from the sales floor would need to get on registers to help, and after the holidays, they let go of all but one of our temporary staff members even though we were already understaffed. And for some reason, the person in charge of ordering candy would always buy about 30 boxes of two or three of the same brands every week (we had 20 registers, and the express lanes didn't have spots for all the different brands, so only ~15 would go up). Combine the already over-ordering with their decision to buy the same brand of candy they just bought a week ago that still hasn't sold more than 20% of the stock, and we would get three or four boxes up, and then have all this overstock to deal with. At one point we had to convert an endcap to Reese's products, and we still had a load of leftovers that we had to find room for in the candy aisle in Grocery, because management demanded we get all the stock up no matter what. And man, these loving things  Nobody bought this stupid gum. I literally never once sold a pack the entire time I worked there, and yet they ordered more and more of it every week. For months there was a display up of just Ice Breakers Duo, because we had nowhere else to put the cases and cases of overstock.
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DarkHamsterlord posted:My Wal-Mart was hideously mismanaged, too. I worked as a cashier, and we never had enough people. Every day, a CSM and/or people from the sales floor would need to get on registers to help, and after the holidays, they let go of all but one of our temporary staff members even though we were already understaffed. They are understaffed on purpose, everywhere. If the store is still functional, it doesn't really matter. And there is probably an evil robot somewhere making the inventory decisions, not a person. One of those decisions is "the candy never goes bad and provides good profit margins when it sells." I got into situations where I was the only guy on the electronics floor at night. If the floor is empty, something will get stolen within minutes. Electronics is a giant shrinkage factory. But I have to leave the floor, for instance, to go on break and to get certain products that people want, since we're not going to sell them the display (although we did this 3 or 4 times too after a three-ring CSM circus showed up to give the transaction their blessing). Is that understaffed? Certainly, by some measurement. Does it matter to Walmart? No. After I quit, only a few months later almost everyone in the department was transferred or fired until there was only ever one guy in the busiest department in the store. I suggested designing the department so that people would have to move through anti-theft buzzers at the bathrooms, which are located conveniently right next to the electronics department in every store. I knew no one would listen, but it was fun having the store manager look at me like I was insane for wanting to spend maybe a couple thousand dollars once to prevent 20k in shrinkage per month. I later designed a white paper outlining how a retail anti-theft production company could make billions in revenue just by selling Walmart on this design.
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I think you'd have a lot of trouble selling managers on sensors at the bathrooms. Anyway, your store manager doesn't care how much poo poo gets stolen, as long as enough of it is concealed as throwaways or missed markdowns in price changes that he doesn't get in trouble for shrink.
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litany of gulps posted:I think you'd have a lot of trouble selling managers on sensors at the bathrooms. Yeah he just brings it to the little people, I'm sure. "Listen, last month we had infinity shrink. So, nip that in the butt." You wouldn't even have to set them up like a bathroom gate, and Walmart has now moved to a system, where, in order to get to the bathroom from electronics, you have to now curve around and walk down an entire aisle of conspicuously-placed books, at which point you will probably walk by at least 2-3 employees doing their thing. But by and large Walmart does not seem to care about shrinkage. Employees are probably stealing most of it anyway.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Yeah he just brings it to the little people, I'm sure. "Listen, last month we had infinity shrink. So, nip that in the butt." This is cracking me up. Infinity shrink! Hahahaha. Glad to hear that my store is about par for the course, anyway.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Yeah he just brings it to the little people, I'm sure. "Listen, last month we had infinity shrink. So, nip that in the butt." You're always going to be told it was worse than it should be, regardless of whether or not you met goals or actually did well. If your store shrinks out about 1% or more during the year, you'll probably be getting a new store manager. If not, shrink probably isn't a big concern (unless you're getting near the edge and the manager is worried his job may be on the line). Anyway, you'd probably be appalled at how much per month goes into the trash from your store's food departments. Or for that matter, how much the store loses in price matching competitor ads. Strangling out all of those Hispanic grocery stores ain't cheap. 20k/month might be a drop in the bucket compared to that. I worked in a store that was projected to lose 700k/quarter. litany of gulps fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 27, 2013 |
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Yeah he just brings it to the little people, I'm sure. "Listen, last month we had infinity shrink. So, nip that in the butt." I get this lecture at least once every few months. Right now our big problem is people who apparently have some means of removing our security tags that we put on our shoes, so they just take the tags off, hide their old shoes somewhere in the store and wear the new shoes out of store. The shoe department is near the register but it's behind me so if I'm even the slightest bit busy I can't see anything. There's also a ton of shelves/displays blocking my view even when I turn to watch the department AND store policy dictates that I'm not allowed to confront even blatant shoplifters so I don't really understand what the hell anyone really expects me to do. They have surveillance cameras and designated department employees in other areas of the store with high value items, but shoes? Nothing. Which is kind of stupid anyway because even without the shoplifting issue, people need help with the shoes constantly but no one's assigned to it. 
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