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James The 1st posted:It's impossible to get the Aztecs without the DLC I thought? Should be. Running any mods that might have been dumb and copied the Aztec events?
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James The 1st posted:It's impossible to get the Aztecs without the DLC I thought?  Old Gods is the new one that I skipped, not Sunset Invasion. I'm still annoyed at them taking over my poo poo though 
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Jun 25, 2013 20:39
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Jun 25, 2013 20:41
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uPen posted:No but it is archived here. Words can not describe how brutally awful this makes the game sound/look by the time you're 30min in.
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Jun 25, 2013 21:01
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Yeah uh maybe they should have rehearsed this before hand. Sounds like they crapped out their speech a minute before the stream and are flying by the seats of their pants.
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Jun 25, 2013 21:25
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Yep it's just a military sim. That's a shame.
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Jun 25, 2013 21:45
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But what about their "We Are The World" campaign? It sounds truly revolutionary.
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Jun 25, 2013 21:49
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A really bad military sim at that... their apparent wanton hatred of history is also pretty disgusting. How about we don't shove random people from the forums into the game as ministers? How about you guys actually do some research into the politics of various countries?
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Gorgo Primus posted:A really bad military sim at that... their apparent wanton hatred of history is also pretty disgusting. How about we don't shove random people from the forums into the game as ministers? How about you guys actually do some research into the politics of various countries? This is pretty painful to watch. Whoever is narrating this is trying way, way too hard to sound like an American version of TotalBiscuit and, unsurprisingly just like the original, it's completely off-putting. "The Cold War was the greatest social experiment of all time." What. "No major wars were fought." Huh.
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Jun 25, 2013 21:56
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Will we ever get a great Grand Strategy cold war game? 
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Jun 25, 2013 21:56
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Who the hell allegedly keeps asking all the model questions? Shouldn't the main point of a Cold War game be diplomacy? Why is so much attention given to individual blueprints of ships?
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Drone posted:This is pretty painful to watch. Whoever is narrating this is trying way, way too hard to sound like an American version of TotalBiscuit and, unsurprisingly just like the original, it's completely off-putting. *Shows off all the bookmarks being the beginnings of wars* Gorgo Primus fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 22:00
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Ofaloaf posted:Why is so much attention given to individual blueprints of ships?
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Jun 25, 2013 22:02
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Wait did I read that wrong, did the US petition NATO to embargo the PRC, only to abstain on its own embargo proposal?
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Jun 25, 2013 22:03
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Does PDS actually have in-house historians, like people who actually... I dunno, have degrees in this poo poo? Because it seems pretty clear that the EvW team doesn't (I know, EvW isn't PDS). Edit: or, for that matter, PR people whose job it is to go before the camera during events like this and present Paradox professionally, and not by a stammering nerd who is clearly terrified of having an audience? Oh God, I'm at the part where they're talking about using forum members as political leaders. Drone fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 22:05
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Drone posted:Edit: or, for that matter, PR people whose job it is to go before the camera during events like this and present Paradox professionally, and not by a stammering nerd who is clearly terrified of having an audience? But the product itself should be decent. edit: "For those who don't know what NATO and the Warsaw Pact are..." Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 22:10
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Strudel Man posted:That is seriously baffling. I cannot imagine caring about the exact number of heavy guns or whatever on a battleship. Particularly in a game about the cold war. Well, I admittedly care when I play Leviathan Warships but yes, even the most spergy of my tendencies have to be overridden by the fact that this is supposed to be a game about global geopolitics and potentially global-scale wars.
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So their justification for this whole "We Are The World" silliness is that it'd be too difficult to find alternate ministers for single-party nations. I have a hard time believing that considering every other Hearts of Iron game has done it fairly believably, but whatever, I'll give them a small pass. But then dude says to submit your grandfather for a communist leader of France, a country with a classically very strong communist party, especially during the Cold War. They couldn't find any one of the hundreds of actual, flesh-and-blood French communist leaders for that? No, of course not, that would disrupt the gimmick to try to ingratiate themselves to the forums.
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Drone posted:Does PDS actually have in-house historians, like people who actually... I dunno, have degrees in this poo poo? PDS has stammering nerds. Except they're making good games, so much is forgiven. The game's industry in general is really bad at hitting the balance between PR people spewing meaningless platitudes and Developers who know what they're talking about but are bad at expressing themselves to an audience.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:15
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"Yeah, I made a horrible mistake here, and somehow the Palestinians have invaded Jerusalem." Not actually a strike against the game, in any realistic sense. But still funny.
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Drone posted:So their justification for this whole "We Are The World" silliness is that it'd be too difficult to find alternate ministers for single-party nations. I have a hard time believing that considering every other Hearts of Iron game has done it fairly believably, but whatever, I'll give them a small pass. You think that's bad? "If you're 12 you can be the next Dalai Lama!" Strudel Man posted:"Yeah, I made a horrible mistake here, and somehow the Palestinians have invaded Jerusalem." I'd consider their handling of Israel and the '48 war as a strike against the game. Did you see those social/cultural/political policies? And why does this region in which an actual war was fought have so few provinces? And why does Israel have full practical and political control over every region alloted them in the UN partition at start? Gorgo Primus fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 22:18
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Alchenar posted:The game's industry in general is really bad at hitting the balance between PR people spewing meaningless platitudes and Developers who know what they're talking about but are bad at expressing themselves to an audience. I don't think it'd be that difficult to find someone who strikes the right balance between actual, real enthusiasm for a game (and the social skills necessary to convey and instill that enthusiasm in the market) and a developer who knows the technical details of the game they're working on.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:18
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Sounds like a good time for Paradox to use that mythical "quality control" thing that they've been throwing around lately. I mean there's got to be a point where they stop and say...the gently caress are you guys doing with our name and engine? Getting people to do games like this is great...but ultimately the company needs to keep an eye out for stupid poo poo like this and tell them when they've gone too far.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:20
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Drone posted:I don't think it'd be that difficult to find someone who strikes the right balance between actual, real enthusiasm for a game (and the social skills necessary to convey and instill that enthusiasm in the market) and a developer who knows the technical details of the game they're working on. Now, they could plan and practice these things out a lot better, I'm sure, but it's not like it's an easy thing to come across well when plopped down in front of a camera. It's a skill, and it's not the skill that these guys normally rely on.
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I was pretty excited over the game seeing as how I'm one of the few people to enjoy HOI3, then I saw this and well... I mean I'm still hopeful they can fix it but it's not looking good.
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They're talking about a population tracker that shows you how many children your country is producing on an average year. Sure, I'm sure on some level that's interesting I suppose, but... feature bloat? Strudel Man posted:To find someone who strikes that balance within the small group of people who are in actual fact working on the game? Why would that be less than difficult? By hiring a PR person who isn't just a stooge who spouts buzzwords? Or an actual dev who just so happens to have a few points dumped into their Charisma stat for a change?  In PDS's defense, they do have people for this, or at least have in the past. As annoying as that top-hat wearing Goony Goon was during the Heart of Darkness streams a few months ago, at least he was genuine. Trujillo posted:We had no problem finding political leaders for obscure movements in countries that didn't exist for kaiserreich and it takes place 30 years before EvW. I haven't watched their stream but if they're saying they have to make up people they're either really dumb or really lazy, or both. It's probably equal parts laziness and shameless cash-in for fans on the Paradox Forums. Drone fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 22:22
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We had no problem finding real life political leaders for obscure movements in countries that didn't exist for kaiserreich and it takes place 30 years before EvW. I haven't watched their stream but if they're saying they have to make up people they're either really dumb or really lazy, or both.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:25
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I suppose I'll be LPing East vs West at some point.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:26
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If the game had been kickstarted or something then I'd say one of the rewards being the possibility of getting a person of your choosing in the game wouldn't be a bad idea, as long as it was properly overseen and stuff, but this just seems bizarre.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:27
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Patter Song posted:I suppose I'll be LPing East vs West at some point.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:29
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Drone posted:By hiring a PR person who isn't just a stooge who spouts buzzwords? Or an actual dev who just so happens to have a few points dumped into their Charisma stat for a change? And your other suggestion isn't exactly a course of action they can undertake. Yeah, it'd be great if they happen to have a charismatic developer onstaff, but most developers don't qualify as such, and it's hardly surprising if a small team doesn't happen to have one. It always strikes me as a trifle weird for individuals to demand that companies advertise to them better, since it basically amounts to "lie to me more." Hearing from developers directly often isn't pretty, but usually it gives you a better idea of the truth of the situation than a slickly-produced PR campaign. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 22:30
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"Mr. President, XxXFluttershy12xXx of the Serbian Radical Party has been elected head of Yugoslavia in a landslide vote!"
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Peruser posted:"Mr. President, XxXFluttershy12xXx of the Serbian Radical Party has been elected head of Yugoslavia in a landslide vote!" On the flip side, we can definitely petition to install Ubik as dictator of Portugal.
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They have quite a bit of time to add polish though. Hopefully they can fix it up a bit. I hope.
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Strudel Man posted:If you hire a PR person for a presentation, a stooge is exactly what they're going to be. If they're really good at their job, they might not come across as a stooge, but they're not someone who's actually familiar with the game or, most likely, who has any genuine enthusiasm for it. This isn't a Paradox problem, this is an industry wide problem. When a developer shows up who's genuinely eloquent and a good presenter and understands why people should care about their game then it's so rare that they instantly become a 'known' name, like Jake Solomon.
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I didn't watch the stream because of the awkwardness, but maybe they were just using forum members names as a shout out to people on the twitch, and when its released it'll have actual politicians/portraits. or I'm wrong and this game will be terrible.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:49
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No, no, no. This wasn't them showing people from the forums, this was them promising to put people from the forums in.
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Jun 25, 2013 22:50
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Patter Song posted:I suppose I'll be LPing East vs West at some point. This just made me enthusiastic about EvW, in a weird way. If it's gonna be bad, I hope they make it flamboyantly bad.
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I don't think any amount of polish will save EvW, the problem seems fundamental. Now, I'm not a game developer so maybe I'm talking out of my rear end here, but Hearts of Iron just seems like the wrong choice for a Cold War game to be based of off, it's too combat focused. I think Victoria 2 or CK2 would have been much better choices, although my real wish is to have a fully-featured PDS game set in that time period.
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How would CK2 be a better choice? Very very few of these states are feudal... I'd rather they just make a new system for it that's actually designed around modeling the Cold War.
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