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Green Crayons posted:I can handle the MBE like a boss. Limited subject areas + multiple choice deductions = easy. But these essays are kicking my rear end. 27 potential essay topics is insane. Insane I say!
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Does anyone have any preference for tax software for managing their tax liabilities for their lawfirm? I'm starting my own and barring any other thoughts on the matter I was just going to go with the Turbo Tax solution.
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Jun 26, 2013 20:22
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ewr2870 posted:Laying off first years to preserve historically unprecedented PPP numbers is hardly handling the issue "as well as they could have." Nah, this is a long-overdue market correction that will probably occur at a number of other firms. Firms are becoming aware that the market for premium legal services is shrinking, probably permanently, and are reacting accordingly. This is particularly true of Weil, which focused on bankruptcy, an area which is particularly dwindling, and unsurprisingly that was the area Weil concentrated on when laying people off. Law firms are businesses, and will be run in the manner most profitable for those in charge--here, elite partners (note, apparently some Weil partners will be receiving pay cuts, and some may even be strongly encouraged to find other employment). The only "historically unprecedented" result would be if an industry responded to declining demand by not cutting costs (i.e. associates, and particularly first-year associates, who are practically all cost). Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jun 26, 2013 |
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Jun 26, 2013 22:39
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Soothing Vapors posted:gently caress a DOMA DOMA came down? My whole office is still tore up about Baby V yesterday, but then again, I work in a Tribe's DoJ, so it really is the only decision that matters here.
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Jun 26, 2013 23:31
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Werix posted:DOMA came down? My whole office is still tore up about Baby V yesterday, but then again, I work in a Tribe's DoJ, so it really is the only decision that matters here. its like your not even facebook friends with a bunch of liberal college students or something
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Jun 27, 2013 00:27
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insanityv2 posted:its like your not even facebook friends with a bunch of liberal college students or something Didn't get on facebook until after I read the forum. Yeah, the feed is blowing up with it, but in the office today everyone was still fuming over Baby V.
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Jun 27, 2013 00:34
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Nitrousoxide posted:Does anyone have any preference for tax software for managing their tax liabilities for their lawfirm? I'm starting my own and barring any other thoughts on the matter I was just going to go with the Turbo Tax solution. In about a year, your going to be way to busy to worry about this crap (if my experience is any guide). Just find a small accounting firm to do it.
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Jun 27, 2013 02:10
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My Facebook page has people celebrating and whatnot and I just can't bring myself to say "Look, guys, this is a lot narrower than you think."
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Jun 27, 2013 02:39
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I mean yeah banning gay marriage isn't totally unconstitutional now (I guess the ideal outcome) but this still will make a huge difference in the lives of couples in states that do recognize gay marriage. And that's a lot of people.
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Jun 27, 2013 04:00
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ewr2870 posted:Laying off first years to preserve historically unprecedented PPP numbers is hardly handling the issue "as well as they could have." What makes you think they're laying off first-years?
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Jun 27, 2013 05:54
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Colorblind Pilot posted:What makes you think they're laying off first-years? I mean that's what I thought too. It's not an outrageous assumption. But you probably know than we do. The bigger point is layoffs are scary especially at a shop that is so reputable, and they are especially scary for new associates. It's not like we have books of business to use as bargaining chips. Or even know what the gently caress we're doing half the time.
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Jun 27, 2013 06:12
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sigmachiev posted:I mean that's what I thought too. It's not an outrageous assumption. But you probably know than we do. The bigger point is layoffs are scary especially at a shop that is so reputable, and they are especially scary for new associates. It's not like we have books of business to use as bargaining chips. Or even know what the gently caress we're doing half the time. Yeah its pretty terrifying. It's even more terrifying for people who haven't started yet, since if we got the axe, we'd pretty much be off the biglaw boat with no obvious way back on. Management was pretty adamant that there won't be any more layoffs for the foreseeable future. If they were going to to be sketchy about this, they probably could have done a lot worse. They're holding tons of town halls and literally having partners call every person who has an open offer from the firm -- from previous and current summers, to people who took one or two years off to clerk -- to reassure them they are unaffected.
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Jun 27, 2013 06:49
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Ersatz posted:Good news: you can pick up around half the points on an essay just by writing clearly in the expected format. I made up the rules for 2 out of my 5 essays and still passed.
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Jun 27, 2013 07:54
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Colorblind Pilot posted:Yeah its pretty terrifying. It's even more terrifying for people who haven't started yet, since if we got the axe, we'd pretty much be off the biglaw boat with no obvious way back on. Could be worse. You could wind up in Big Law.
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Jun 27, 2013 08:35
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Solid Lizzie posted:Half the points out of the entire available on an essay, or half the points out of what you usually need per essay to pass?
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Jun 27, 2013 10:29
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I went out with a couple recent graduates. It was loving awful; so hard to get them to talk about anything besides the bar. How do you practicing lawyers put up with other practicing lawyers? Do you have a select few people who are capable of talking about non-law stuff?
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Jun 27, 2013 18:48
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Omerta posted:How do you practicing lawyers put up with other practicing lawyers? Do you have a select few people who are capable of talking about non-law stuff?
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Jun 27, 2013 18:52
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insanityv2 posted:IIRC this is literally why WLRK was founded. This is also what Chomsky has credited with the rise of MIT as well, incidentally: smart Jews being turned away from Harvard and schlepping down Mass Ave.
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Jun 27, 2013 19:04
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TenementFunster posted:I don't socialize with attorneys and try to avoid all "young professional" groups and I loving hate it when people ask what I do for a living. I've found the best move is to just say "I work for a law firm." Cool I'm autistic too
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Jun 27, 2013 19:11
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Soothing Vapors posted:Cool I'm autistic too get on the stick, Tony Kennedy
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Jun 27, 2013 19:14
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None of the attorneys I interact with much socially like to talk about the law very much outside of work
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Jun 27, 2013 19:15
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Instead of talking about law, I talk about homebrewing. It's a little awkward at first here in Utah because so many people don't drink, but non-drinkers' reactions are a pretty quick barometer of whether I can stomach talking to them at length.
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Jun 27, 2013 19:17
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Dogen posted:None of the attorneys I interact with much socially like to talk about the law very much outside of work
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Jun 27, 2013 19:18
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TenementFunster posted:commiserating about lovely superiors and dumb/crappy clients are the only acceptable topics I do enjoy grousing about relevant state regulatory entities and how dumb they are, but only for a minute
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Jun 27, 2013 19:27
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Dogen posted:I do enjoy grousing about relevant state regulatory entities and how dumb they are, but only for a minute
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Jun 27, 2013 19:32
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Dogen posted:None of the attorneys I interact with much socially like to talk about the law very much outside of work I have lots of lawyer friends, but practice-related small talk has become less painful than it used to be. Most of the conversation is non-law related though. We all have kids and lives outside of the office. I had lunch with a lawyer friend today, we talked about real estate, home improvement, our kids, corporate proxy statements for our investments, normal middle class stuff.
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Jun 27, 2013 19:51
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An activity, for those of you who want something to do during your billable hours: http://pdf.textfiles.com/posters/lawyercoloringbook.pdf
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Jun 27, 2013 19:56
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Old but great. If you try hard enough you can read the letter he's signing on the last page. "Furthermore notwithstanding heretofore consequently, stock option."
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Jun 27, 2013 20:24
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I wasn't anti-social in law school, but law students weren't my primary social group outside of class. I had enough personal hobbies and lived close enough to home - where the majority of my friends are - that I could do that. Law students drive me loving crazy. However, I did occasionally go to some socials and parties so I wouldn't be extremely weird. I find buying shots gets people to talk about other stuff, though I assume bar prep would be unusual because how can you *not* talk about bar prep when it starts consuming your life (I know I'm guilty of this)? "Okay, guys, the rule is we won't talk about bar prep or the exam." "Deal!" "Sooooooo how was everyone's day?" *crickets* Also, it's never really that they're talking about bar prep. It's that there is an implicit dick-measuring contest with respect to how much studying your doing. No one wants to look inadequate. The conversation just makes you feel anxious because omg omg they're already X% through the pace program!!!!!
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Jun 27, 2013 20:25
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Don't ever speak to law students studying for the bar for any reason, it just won't be worth your time.
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Omerta posted:I went out with a couple recent graduates. It was loving awful; so hard to get them to talk about anything besides the bar. Roger_Mudd and I meet up about once a month to talk law and gossip and giggle like little girls. Honestly, if you're not chugging through state regs, you'll end up with a good story or two. Especially if you're a family attorney. Every family attorney has stories about crazy bullshit. I won't talk to law students.
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CaptainScraps posted:Roger_Mudd and I meet up about once a month to talk law and gossip and giggle like little girls. Mostly he cancels on me...
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TenementFunster posted:if only same-autist marriage was legal I would wed you on a mountain top  CaptainScraps posted:Roger_Mudd and I meet up about once a month to talk law and gossip and giggle like little girls. 
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Jun 28, 2013 01:55
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Soothing Vapors posted:I wish I had a law thread buddy YOU RANG
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Jun 28, 2013 03:54
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CaptainScraps posted:Every family attorney has stories about crazy bullshit. Who has better stories, criminal or family lawyers?
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Jun 28, 2013 04:34
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Zarkov Cortez posted:Who has better stories, criminal or family lawyers? Crim law stories are normally funny. Family law stories are generally "holy gently caress!"
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nm posted:Crim law stories are normally funny. Family law stories are generally "holy gently caress!" Yeah, they often end up in the "Child Porn" case and then the explanation about how they really love Tax Law now etc. And also 
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nm posted:Crim law stories are normally funny. Family law stories are generally "holy gently caress!" Yeah, all of my stories from when I was practicing family law are just horrible and depressing. The criminal stories ... also occasionally horrible and depressing, but it's somehow easier to find the humor in it. Probably because only some of them involve children, as opposed to most of them. 
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Zarkov Cortez posted:Who has better stories, criminal or family lawyers? My buddy who is a public defender down in Georgia, and myself (I work for a tribe and about 80% of my work load is ICWA CHIPS cases) often have this debate. He has the "better" stories, in that they ain't as depressing and are more entertaining than mine. Though from his stories I've gathered the only things they do in coastal Georgia is smoke crack and have sex with kids.
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I go to lunch with a couple guys from the research division and one of them usually will NOT SHUT UP about this "fascinating jurisdictional issue in this case I'm doing" or "let me tell you the facts real quick" GAG. At least Game of Thrones is a fairly workable topic-changer
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