Sham I Am posted:

My apologies if this has been asked and answered, but why is there no reflection of the tree in the water?

Dr. Bit posted:

Milwaukee

Looks like that parking structure is part of the Colby Abbott building (entrance to the structure on 767 N Milwaukee St). The Colby Abbott building is itself from 1885. The parking structure was built in the 1960's, according to this website (http://www.whatwasthere.com/browse.aspx#!/ll/43.040944,-87.906742/id/36574/info/details/zoom/14/) which shows the building that was there (at 793 N Milwaukee St), but was torn down in the 60's for the parking garage.

Combined with the fact that this building is a block and a half from City Hall, which our clues most strongly point to, I think we're looking at something Preiss was looking at.

BeardMilk posted:

View the three stories of Mitchell.

Has anyone considered The Milwaukee Club as a starting point? It's a 3 story mansion/social club right in the same location as City Hall, Juneau Park, and the parking garage with the collar pattern. Alexander Mitchell was one of the founders and the first President of the club. Also, up until 1986 there was a cast statue of Lincoln outside of it on E. Wisconsin Ave.

Google Map Link
Club Website

Urban Smurf posted:

Cask 10 Verse 8 Milwaukee

There seems to be some versatility to these lines. I've been working on an idea based on using the word "accounts" in place of the word "stories".

account n. 1. an oral or written description of particular events or situations; narrative.

View the three stories of Mitchell = "View the three accounts of Mitchell"

If I think of the word "account" as relating to a bank, where "bank accounts" are located, then the Mitchell Building might be a fit. Alexander Mitchell was a banker. His accounts might be thought of as those three businesses established in the Mitchell Building: a bank, an insurance company, and railroad office. It might be considered that each of those businesses has it's own journal of events and so in a sense one might view the start of those three records by simply setting eyes on the building even thought it's actually five stories in the sense of building height.

Urban Smurf posted:

Cask 10 Verse 8 Milwaukee

There seems to be some versatility to these lines. I've been working on an idea based on using the word "accounts" in place of the word "stories".

account n. 1. an oral or written description of particular events or situations; narrative.

View the three stories of Mitchell = "View the three accounts of Mitchell"

If I think of the word "account" as relating to a bank, where "bank accounts" are located, then the Mitchell Building might be a fit. Alexander Mitchell was a banker. His accounts might be thought of as those three businesses established in the Mitchell Building: a bank, an insurance company, and railroad office. It might be considered that each of those businesses has it's own journal of events and so in a sense one might view the start of those three records by simply setting eyes on the building even thought it's actually five stories in the sense of building height.

Nnep posted:

Urban Smurf is going to be the one to dig up a casque. Mark my words.

rookhunter posted:

If he does ill put on a tutu and post it.

einTier posted:

Careful man, we have a zero tolerance policy for stuff like that. If he digs up a cask, you're contractually obligated to fulfill your part of the deal.

allta posted:

So I'm nearing the end of my Boston adventure and something had just occurred to me. Boston harbor is full of islands that are technically parks. I know Harvard-area looks really promising and all and matches more closely than Boston proper but would it be conceivable that one of the islands would match better?

I'm looking up information on them for tomorrows trip anyways so I'll just mention it if anything comes up, but it would be nice to have some input from someone more familiar with the area than I am.

John Fraser posted:

I will be happy to provide the background information you requested for the group. As this is our busiest time of the year, I will be brief now and get back with you in mid August when things slow down. If I were to obtain the ok from our archaeologist, in September, when the crowds have dissapated, I would like to use the sensitive ground penetrating radar the state has used here on a couple of occasions. The radar was used extensively in the cleared section of the property where the foundations of the first colony are located. Our property is 65 acres. I would say the radar was used on less than 5% of the area. Further, at one time, because of the unique design on its base, I believed that the cask was buried around our obilisk near the waterfront. But so much excavation has occurred in that area, I now believe that is unlikely. Since 1982, there have been at least ten major digs, the "unique" base was completely dug up and replaced, a 1400 foot bulkhead was constructed on the waterfront, and nine structures have been razed or added. Also, since that time, numerous near misses from hurricanes and full-blown noreasters have severely changed the landscape by having blown down many "landmark" trees and temporary additions which were used in the clues. Geese, for instance, used to live in our duck pond. Today neither the geese nor pond exist. They have been replaced by peacocks and a small coy pond in a different area of the park. In your email you referenced one of our gates. We have three. All are used for ingress and egress, but I think you may be thinking about the one at the end of Ballard Street. In 1982 we had four such "entrances, the fourth being on the north side of the property. It was closed and fenced in the 1990's. The areas just inside the park along the fence line near the two main gates have been excavated numerous times since 1982 to repair and add sewer lines for two restrooms, to add handholds for new electric service to the restrooms and planetarium, and to add foundation material to the base of the tabby wall to shore it up. Also, in the late 1990's the west wall and coquina gate hinge tower were vaporized by a Pepsi truck driver going too fast. It was excavated and rebuilt. There is alot more history as it relates to the Secret I am happy to share with you. I am just a little pressed for time now. I will keep your email and if something changes near term, I will give you a call. Feel free to stay in touch and look forward to a call from me in late August.

Very Nice Eraser posted:

Cask 6 / Saint Augustine
Really fascinating info!

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

Now just imagine how the same is true for pretty much every cask.

quote:

Across North America, twelve treasures are waiting. The key to each requires the proper combination of one treasure painting with one treasure verse. You need only decipher the clues in any pair to learn the location of a treasure casque.

Very Nice Eraser posted:

This also implies that the rest of the book doesn't contain clues, which agrees with what the author himself said, and the fact that the humorous stories ('Elf S. Presley', 'Maitre D'eamon', 'Tuppenwerewolves') were written by different authors.

Abugadu posted:

That Milwaukee parking garage find makes me think Cathedral Square park again. You can see City Hall from there, it's in a direct line with the garage. The Immigrant Mother statue, with the hood and with the bronze mimicking the patina on the portrait's cloak is too perfect of a fit with the puzzle's theme.

rookhunter posted:

If he does ill put on a tutu and post it.

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

Now just imagine how the same is true for pretty much every cask.

Deteriorata posted:

The book itself is fairly short. It was scanned and uploaded here, so everyone should read it just for the background, if nothing else.

Urban Smurf posted:

If I recall, I had a theory awhile ago that the line "from woman, with harpsichord" related to the Immigrant Mother statue since "a baby" is "from woman".

Dr. Bit posted:

Milwaukee

Still can't find information on the Elks Lodge (called the Wonderlodge, torn down in 1971) that was on E Wisconsin Ave. We need to focus on this for a minute, because the Lincoln statue was in front of it in a city park when Preiss was there. It was moved back onto Lincoln Memorial Drive in 1986. The statue faced south, so presumably the park was on the north side of the street. I think the park's gone now (or it's that small park at the east end of Wisconsin Ave).

This could very well be our
Step on nature
Cast in copper

And knowing at least where this was might give us some direction in the chronology of the verse.

quote:

After 21 years of dignified vigil and due to plans for a memorial center, the statue was taken down and put to rest in the "catacombs" under the bridge structure. Much discussion as to a new location for the statue followed-north of McKinley beach, Lincoln high school, on the south side-before its rededication on Feb.12, 1959, on park land in front of the Elks club.

quote:

The sidewalk superintendents are back at the Elks Club, but this time for the demolition of the building, which began in late October and will continue for two months.

Dr. Bit posted:

Milwaukee

Still can't find information on the Elks Lodge (called the Wonderlodge, torn down in 1971) that was on E Wisconsin Ave. We need to focus on this for a minute, because the Lincoln statue was in front of it in a city park when Preiss was there. It was moved back onto Lincoln Memorial Drive in 1986. The statue faced south, so presumably the park was on the north side of the street. I think the park's gone now (or it's that small park at the east end of Wisconsin Ave).

This could very well be our
Step on nature
Cast in copper

And knowing at least where this was might give us some direction in the chronology of the verse.

Very Nice Eraser posted:

Edit: somebody earlier in the thread asked if there is a one poem to one picture to one casque relationship. The introduction to the book, titled 'The Tale, Simply Told', says...

GWBBQ posted:

If for no other reason, I think the inevitability of renovations is a reason to doubt that Cask 12 is in any of the biggest cities in the US. It makes no sense for Preiss to have buried the cask associated with the most obscure picture in a place with such a high risk of it being destroyed or lost in routine construction.

Deteriorata posted:

the land where the Elk's lodge was is a park.

Deteriorata posted:

Here' s a postcard from 1928 I found of it:


It appears to be right on the corner of E. Wisconsin and Prospect. The white building behind it is still there, and the land where the Elk's lodge was is a park.

BJG posted:

For me the gate fits the image better, but the map fits the verse better. Judging the map theory on the image is a bit unfair, since the verse fits great IMHO. Re: image matches, bear in mind that the people working on this hunt have never had any decent photos of that area to toy with, and you're not going to find another Grant Park, no way Jose. (FOY is solid as a rock in most people's opinion, with no image match except Ponce in a different posture as a general clue for the park, not unlike the Roanoke map.)

Sham I Am posted:

I think, at this point, Roanoke needs people on the ground looking for matches and clues from the image. I know a few people / residents / workers have looked already but they haven't really found much beyond what we have discussed in this thread, as I recall. Hopefully, the clues are still there and just being missed or they are found in a different location.

Andorra posted:

But didn't the artists draw the pictures after he buried the casks? He might not have intended the pictures to be so vague.

The Monkey Man posted:

yippeekiyaymf posted:

This is completely nuts but after reading the post about how are we certain none are in Los Angeles and seeing this image, all I see in this picture is Eagle Rock.

Cosmik Debris posted:

Los Angeles has literally nothing to do with spain, and there's a pretty prominant spanish conquistador there. Florida is really the only US state with a strong connection to spain.

Nocheez posted:

Cleveland has almost nothing to do with Greece, and yet...

BJG posted:

JJP was from Cleveland and helped with the Cleveland location. The Grecian Garden was his idea. "I told Byron, I think I have a good spot."

http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/egbert/secret.html

Sean Kelly was from Montreal. If there's a casque in Montreal, it's quite possible he knows that.

I tried emailing him once, ages ago, and he didn't reply. He apparently teaches at the Pratt Institute in NYC. Does anyone else want to try contacting him, preferably grabbing him by the lapels, and try to get something out of him?

http://www.pratt.edu/academics/liberal_arts_and_sciences/graduate_media_studies/faculty_and_staff/bio/?id=skelly

Be very circumspect. Stalk him like a wild animal.