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JayJay
Jun 16, 2005

TEHHHHHH Jetplane!

Anyone got a trial key I can have? Preemptive sorry for making GBS threads up the thread.

Edit: Oh good, new page.

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Fantastic Alice
Jan 23, 2012





JayJay posted:

Anyone got a trial key I can have? Preemptive sorry for making GBS threads up the thread.

Edit: Oh good, new page.



NLKL6EFEJF6JHUF7A8LP
There you go, enjoy your 3 days, 5 if you do 30 missions, yadda yadda.

JayJay
Jun 16, 2005

TEHHHHHH Jetplane!

xanthan posted:

NLKL6EFEJF6JHUF7A8LP
There you go, enjoy your 3 days, 5 if you do 30 missions, yadda yadda.

Grabbed it, thanks! :woop:

Zephonith
Jun 25, 2008

Maybe if I actually played Mafia, I'd get a better gift from my Mafia Secret Santa. :(

JayJay posted:

Anyone got a trial key I can have? Preemptive sorry for making GBS threads up the thread.
Don't apologise! They give us veteran points for referrals, which you can use to buy a sombrero! I'm always sad I don't get in here quick enough to post one.

Frankenstein Dad
Jul 4, 2008

Dad of Frankenstein

Reverend Dr posted:

At the same time, they did a pretty poor job of letting us know there was even a choice for the first dreaming (without going offsite, which the vast majority won't do), and also did a poor job of demonstrating how to make the 'good' final choice. Before someone goes off on how I'm full of poo poo and the choices were very clear, I'm talking about pubbies here; pubbies are going to make the 'evil' choice at 1 and 3 because there is no way they could stumble onto the 'good' actions (unless I'm underestimating the number of people that fell asleep with auto-run on at the first choice).


I'd say it's actually more poetic if the reason Tokyo is hosed is because people are stupid.

Reverend Dr
Feb 9, 2005

Thanks Reverend

Frankenstein Dad posted:

I'd say it's actually more poetic if the reason Tokyo is hosed is because people are stupid.

Bees are well known for their good decision making.

Cheston
Jul 17, 2012

(he's got a good thing going)
I hadn't actually been in London's record store before. Did not know that Cowpunk and Calypso-style Baila were actual genres.

**On the record dividers, I mean, not as the music that got put in.

Cheston fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jun 28, 2013

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Frankenstein Dad posted:

I'd say it's actually more poetic if the reason Tokyo is hosed is because people are stupid.

My go-to roleplaying character is someone who just loving hates stupid people and thinks they're to blame for every problem with mankind, so I'll be pretty into this happening just because it makes her right and that she can start screaming at the top of her lungs at everybody for being idiots.

Cheston
Jul 17, 2012

(he's got a good thing going)
My go-to roleplaying character is named LilithLilith "LilithLilith" LilithLilith, and I was very pleasantly surprised to find that the name was not taken.

thwoompa
Nov 9, 2004

My fanfiction makes baby Jesus cry

Cheston posted:

My go-to roleplaying character is named LilithLilith "LilithLilith" LilithLilith, and I was very pleasantly surprised to find that the name was not taken.

I always suspected you were kisi!

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
It may just be a matter of finding builds that work better post-patch, but this patch seems to have hit my DPS pretty hard. It turns 18s into a slog, so if we can't find better-performing ways to do this my interest in continuing the grind gets hit pretty hard too.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

guppy posted:

It may just be a matter of finding builds that work better post-patch, but this patch seems to have hit my DPS pretty hard. It turns 18s into a slog, so if we can't find better-performing ways to do this my interest in continuing the grind gets hit pretty hard too.

What seems to have been hit? There's a lot of changes in those notes, but I don't think any of them are particularly huge deals. The signets were, but those were almost all upwards adjustments.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
I'm not sure. The obvious one is Extra Bullet, which I replaced after some discussion with Hugh, but I wouldn't have expected it to drop that much. I don't know what else is going on.

Smith Comma John
Nov 21, 2007

Human being for president.

Cleretic posted:

What seems to have been hit? There's a lot of changes in those notes, but I don't think any of them are particularly huge deals. The signets were, but those were almost all upwards adjustments.

patch notes posted:

Reduced the damage of the extra hit to Safety Off caused by Extra Bullet.

Reduced the total critical hit and penetrating hit chance on all abilities which hit multiple times per second. This is not a total normalization, but reduces their chances to be more in line with single hit abilities.

The second point would also affect three-round burst and shootout (and the business?) in addition to safety off. Extra bullet was a huge passive so this is a big nerf to AR dps. Not sure how much the second change affects pistol dps overall.

e:

patch notes posted:

Channeling abilities can now be properly queued with themselves.
yesssssssss

Smith Comma John fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Jun 28, 2013

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Smith Comma John posted:

Not sure how much the second change affects pistol dps overall.

Probably a lot, almost every Pistols ability worth using is multi-hit. This is probably a big part of why AR parsed so well (and Pistols similarly, albeit less so), so it'll hurt a lot of DPS.

midoriyourself
May 30, 2013

Smith Comma John posted:

e:

quote:

patch notes posted:
Channeling abilities can now be properly queued with themselves.

yesssssssss

Thank Christ. Maybe I can find a better rhythm with my blood builds now.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!
IMPORTANT THING I JUST CHECKED: Signet of Fury no longer counts up for every hit of a multi-hit ability. Nothing of the like was mentioned in the patch notes, so I'm assuming this is actually a bug of some kind. I'll float the question over at the forums.

Fewd
Mar 22, 2007

#vmp #opsec #kolmiloikka #happoo

Cleretic posted:

What seems to have been hit? There's a lot of changes in those notes, but I don't think any of them are particularly huge deals. The signets were, but those were almost all upwards adjustments.

Elemental Force apparently had some double crit bug or something which finally got fixed. That has squeezed some tears from pistol users.

Only thing I noticed myself was Fatal Flourish being changed from pen rating bonus to a flat one penetration per 8 afflictions. Forgot what exactly, but that's no big deal, it did fly off my passive bar though.

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
After having re-installed Age of Conan and deleting it after minutes of playing, I think it is time to test something new. Despite produced by Failcom, TSW has gotten many good reviews. I am looking for a mature, mystic and not-standard-wow-quest&class-style-MMO. After reading the fellow goons postings here I get the impression that TSW might be the right choice now for a long free poopsocking weekend.

TL;DR: I would appreciate to recieve a buddy key to test this game till sunday

Mr.PayDay fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jun 28, 2013

Variable Haircut
Jan 25, 2012

Cleretic posted:

IMPORTANT THING I JUST CHECKED: Signet of Fury no longer counts up for every hit of a multi-hit ability. Nothing of the like was mentioned in the patch notes, so I'm assuming this is actually a bug of some kind. I'll float the question over at the forums.

It was a bug that it wasn't affected by the global cool down, it was fixed.

And the ele force losing double crits but working correctly for focusthe attacks is what is pushing pistol users above AR, a full crit shoot out is just stupid damage.

Variable Haircut fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Jun 28, 2013

Polyseme
Sep 6, 2009

GROUCH DIVISION

Mr.PayDay posted:

TL;DR: I would appreciate to recieve a buddy key to test this game till sunday

key: 9QT63NXTC3RSNVXR5Y3M

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

HughGRect posted:

It was a bug that it wasn't affected by the global cool down, it was fixed.

That wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. And I don't think any 'global cooldown' influences this fact.

I'm still checking; The Business now only procs it once, Shootout two to three times (it's inconsistent, but according to the tooltip text on the ability it should be proccing five times), Gun Crazy three times, and Safety Off once both with and without Extra Bullet.

Cleretic fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Jun 28, 2013

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
Tanks, Polyseme!

Variable Haircut
Jan 25, 2012

Cleretic posted:

That wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. And I don't think any 'global cooldown' influences this fact.

I'm still checking; The Business now only procs it once, Shootout two to three times (it's inconsistent, but according to the tooltip text on the ability it should be proccing five times), Gun Crazy three times, and Safety Off once both with and without Extra Bullet.

Look at the testlive patch notes, its right there. Live and testlive are using the same build.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Cleretic posted:

That wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. And I don't think any 'global cooldown' influences this fact.

I'm still checking; The Business now only procs it once, Shootout two to three times (it's inconsistent, but according to the tooltip text on the ability it should be proccing five times), Gun Crazy three times, and Safety Off once both with and without Extra Bullet.

Hugh's right. You're wrong. Get over it.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

HughGRect posted:

Look at the testlive patch notes, its right there. Live and testlive are using the same build.

Where do I find them? The change isn't noted on the live patchnotes, which seems like a pretty important thing to have just forgotten to mention.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Cleretic posted:

Where do I find them? The change isn't noted on the live patchnotes, which seems like a pretty important thing to have just forgotten to mention.

This isn't the first time Funcoms done that so you really shouldn't be acting surprised. There's a reason Funcompetence is in the thread title.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
Not every bugfix gets a patch note.

Source: Every MMO, ever.

KaneTW
Dec 2, 2011

Toshimo posted:

Not every bugfix gets a patch note.

Source: Every MMO, ever.

Toshimo did someone step on your toes or why are you being a dick to literally everyone in this thread?

Cheston
Jul 17, 2012

(he's got a good thing going)

KaneTW posted:

Toshimo did someone step on your toes or why are you being a dick to literally everyone in this thread?

I've been assuming that he just never got toes.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

KaneTW posted:

Toshimo did someone step on your toes or why are you being a dick to literally everyone in this thread?

Look, man, we can;t have people diluting the Funcompetence brand by applying it to trivially irrelevant poo poo. You need to save it for the things that they really gently caress up. Lord knows there are enough of them.

Reverend Dr
Feb 9, 2005

Thanks Reverend

Len posted:

This isn't the first time Funcoms done that so you really shouldn't be acting surprised. There's a reason Funcompetence is in the thread title.

Don't forget the update note that its a Funcom update, so the RDB file structure will always reduce performance on your end.

Its actually gotten pretty bad for me. I've lost damage while tanking when the only thing affected by the patch were the signet changes. I'm pretty drat sure its a server/performance issue rather than numbers. Reinstall TSW every patch.

Reverend Dr fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 28, 2013

JayJay
Jun 16, 2005

TEHHHHHH Jetplane!

So I wasn't really feeling this game at first, but after doing my first solo "stealth mission" escorting some blonde girl through a bunch of puzzles in a sewer tunnel, I think I've fallen for it. It's definitely starting to grow on me as I unlock my skills, it just starts off really slow. Time to kill a bunch of named zombies and find some missing people!

I chose fist/chaos off of some 60 point guide I found, and so far it's working quite well. Escalate/Eris/Hog Wild take care of most mobs so far.

I guess I should also mention, the story/cutscenes are pretty great as well. They make SWTOR voice acting/storylines look amateur. I also really enjoy the slightly more open world aspect, i've just been running around doing random quests without even realizing ive probably skipped half the quests in another area.

JayJay fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jun 28, 2013

Fasheem
Feb 19, 2007

Reverend Dr posted:

At the same time, they did a pretty poor job of letting us know there was even a choice for the first dreaming (without going offsite, which the vast majority won't do), and also did a poor job of demonstrating how to make the 'good' final choice. Before someone goes off on how I'm full of poo poo and the choices were very clear, I'm talking about pubbies here; pubbies are going to make the 'evil' choice at 1 and 3 because there is no way they could stumble onto the 'good' actions

After being required to solve the light/sound puzzle twice just to get to the last choice, which is either to do it a third time or uh... something else (spoilers?) I have a hard time imagining how someone would accidently gently caress up Tokyo because they didn't know what to do when they just did it twice already. Path of least resistance would seem to be saving the world in this case.

I actually wanted to ask... am I the only one who solved it three times within a few minutes each just by clicking randomly? I looked up a walkthrough after and have no idea what that person was talking about.

<- Saver of the world

HughGRect posted:

Bags of Ethereal Gambit are live, so go waste your sequins on them. :toot:

What are they? For 30 sequins of Soloman Island, 20 Sequins of Egypt thing, or 10 Sequins of Transylvania you can get a little lottery bog.

Some prizes inside:
Pax
More Sequins
Green/Blue signet bags
Blue/Purple Aux weapon upgrade kits
Talisman upgrade kits (10 green to blue, 10 blue to purple)

Yess. Maybe someday I will gather the will to cash in my ~3000 sequins. Haven't played much for awhile though I did finally get around to finishing the story and saving the world last week.

Does Seoul have a bank yet? Probably not.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe
No, Seoul is useless unless you have to go there for a mission. Sorry if you're dragon.

I did read about a lot of people who barely managed to fix the first machines, and completely gave up on the last one and took the easy way out. I guess in some way that is a pretty good, if meta justification. But it does beg the question, how worthwhile is it to base future game development on whether or not you pissed off enough of your players with certain game mechanics.

fullTimeLurker
Nov 10, 2010

To me it seemed like the Flith/No filth quest solutions where just funcom's way of saying gently caress all those people that don't read our quests and pay attention to all the awesome poo poo we put in our dungeons.

If you spent just a tiny bit of time in the quests and paid attention to all the poo poo happening, it was blatantly obvious that there was always another solution besides what the filth was offering. I am loving TERRIBLE at puzzle quests, and I had no problems finishing all 3 of the choices the non-filth way. I actually thought they were really clever, requiring you to think for a minute instead of just blindly running through the quests. The first choice had me a little nervous since I had nothing else to go on other than the ghost of the previous person jumping off; but since all the previous missions had shown that I was effectively immortal, I figured what's the worst that can happen if I'm wrong, I replay the running down the tunnel bit.

The final puzzle was also fun, even though I'm sure most puzzle lovers thought it was way too easy. By that point I knew I didn't want to accept the crazy filth solution and just spent a little bit of time figuring out what else could be done.

That being said, listening to the number of goons that just said they face-rolled through the content and picked the easy filth choice, and then the people that consciously picked the filth choice over the other option; I'd say that 80% of goons so far have picked the filth choice. I really doubt we'll get anything but the very worst option that Tokyo has to offer. Thanks for completely destroying Tokyo you jerks! :argh:

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob

JayJay posted:

I guess I should also mention, the story/cutscenes are pretty great as well. They make SWTOR voice acting/storylines look amateur. I also really enjoy the slightly more open world aspect, i've just been running around doing random quests without even realizing ive probably skipped half the quests in another area.

This is actually what you're meant to do. One of the design goals for the game was to avoid the standard MMO "quest hub" design and instead always have something new to do near the end of whatever you just finished doing. They reportedly took it seriously enough that play testers were instructed to report the absence of such a nearby quest as a bug.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe
There are a few areas in which that doesn't work (but most then end not too far from another major mission dispenser NPC). It's really refreshing. I also liked the exploration element there is to this design - the first time I ran through the zones I accidentally missed quite a few optional missions even though I didn't mean to "skip content".

JayJay
Jun 16, 2005

TEHHHHHH Jetplane!

orcane posted:

There are a few areas in which that doesn't work (but most then end not too far from another major mission dispenser NPC). It's really refreshing. I also liked the exploration element there is to this design - the first time I ran through the zones I accidentally missed quite a few optional missions even though I didn't mean to "skip content".

I have been "combing the desert" of the first map trying to find every little optional mission I can. I am such an OCD gamer. But it's a lot of fun so far!

JayJay fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jun 28, 2013

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Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


What broke that the "hotfix" was 342 mb?

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