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The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?

Dan7el posted:

However, Mutta's dad's shirt made no sense this time.

It makes perfect sense! He is telling people that pugs are not pigs, Common mistake!

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Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?

Dan7el posted:

Anyone else shocked that Pico has a wife and two kids? Also, Mutta's mom and dad were as awesome as ever. However, Mutta's dad's shirt made no sense this time. You'd think they'd have a better way to re-enter the atmosphere after all this time? Sheesh that's scary.
Well, It's theoretically possible to slow down enough that the friction heat from re entry would be negligible, however you'd need to take a LOT of fuel up with you to slow right down. Engines too, of course.

Doctor w-rw-rw-
Jun 24, 2008

Dan7el posted:

Anyone else shocked that Pico has a wife and two kids? Also, Mutta's mom and dad were as awesome as ever. However, Mutta's dad's shirt made no sense this time. You'd think they'd have a better way to re-enter the atmosphere after all this time? Sheesh that's scary.

If not by air resistance then by what? A counteracting force using some sort of fuel? The slightest mistake and you toast the returning astronauts instead of killing them instantly, or the slightest miscalculation and you end up with a fatal impact rather than a total crater.

I mean, maybe you could have some airborne gymnastics where a plane flies by and picks it up, but god forbid the plane is off course (or the capsule is) due to weather. The series only takes place 13 years in the future (2025), doesn't it? Why would NASA suddenly come up with a new re-entry method that hasn't been proven over the course of several decades?

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?
On the subject of spacey things, everyone should watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fturU0u5KJo

Yes, it's nearly 45 minutes long. But, it's informative and Stan Love is very witty and a good speaker.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Sharon :ohdear:

This show's attention to detail keeps astounding me, think JAXA funds it?

Arcanen
Dec 19, 2005

Psychic Amanti is the worst plot-line. They could have had Sharon get sick without an explicit "MUTTA, SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU AND HIBITO WILL GET SICK!". If it does happen, it'll have just reduced the impact of it.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
The whole thing with her is a little weird in what is otherwise a realistic and grounded hard science fiction show (heck, its so grounded that I would almost call it slice of life with astronauts instead of scifi).

Arcanen
Dec 19, 2005

Before it could just be played off as a (somewhat offensive?) quirk of the character. "Something bad will happen" is way more vague than "someone you know, but not Hibito, will soon come down with a serious illness". Before it could be played down as something Amanti believes in, but isn't real. This, if it comes to pass, is just so bizarrely specific and it happening would just be odd.

I'm hoping it's a fakeout and Apo just gets a little sick at some point and is then totaly ok?

Dan7el
Dec 7, 2008

Aunt Sharon needs an Otter Box (tm) for her smart phone. I was appalled at the condition hers was in.

I didn't realize that short of a stay on the moon would do that to a person. I guess it makes sense. It doesn't take long for muscles to atrophy in space. Still, that's a topic I wouldn't have thought much about. Pretty cool to see them dealing with it.

I agree, the whole Amanti psychic connection thing is a bit over the top and heavy handed. I loved Serika's reaction to the phone call, though.

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?

Dan7el posted:

I didn't realize that short of a stay on the moon would do that to a person. I guess it makes sense. It doesn't take long for muscles to atrophy in space. Still, that's a topic I wouldn't have thought much about. Pretty cool to see them dealing with it.
Yeah, I did touch on that subject back in March. Good to see they actually thought of stuff like that.

Would have been funny if they did the "puffy face" look for Astronauts.

Joshlemagne
Mar 6, 2013

Shakugan posted:

Psychic Amanti is the worst plot-line. They could have had Sharon get sick without an explicit "MUTTA, SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU AND HIBITO WILL GET SICK!". If it does happen, it'll have just reduced the impact of it.

The stupidest part to me is that there's nothing Mutta can do about it. Telling him accomplishes nothing except to make him worry.

Arcanen
Dec 19, 2005

This show is at its worst when it tries to introduce drama unrelated to the astronaut selection process. Drama related to the selection process feels realistic, but other things (such as Hibito's accident and Sharon's illness she conveniently shares with Serika's father) feel forced.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
After the initial accident though the tension could be felt, maybe I watched too much House but for a moment I could forget how telegraphed this was and feel an emotional connection to it; probably because we know Sharon a lot more than we know of Hibito, the tapping of the arm sequence was done well.

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

I POSTED WHAT NOW!?
The only reason I think this feels forced is because the author (or anime staff?) felt that there was a need for someone to go "HEY GUYS SOMEONE'S GONNA GET ALL SICK UP IN HERE" a whole bunch and then show us that, yup, that's happening. It would have felt a lot more natural and tense if they had just shut the gently caress up about anything beforehand and just had it all of the sudden flare up.

Arcanen
Dec 19, 2005

The issue is that the author (or anime staff) do it with every bit of drama unrelated to the selection process. For example, Hibito and Damian first having a bunch of "woah, it's difficult to see" moments, followed by a near miss almost going into a crater, and then actually driving into a crater despite these experiences (and all of the technology/training that should have prevented the accident in the first place). The result is that our impression was "oh my god, Hibito and Damian are incredibly incompetent and terrible astronauts" rather than "oh my god, Hibito and Damian :ohdear:".

The author and/or anime staff are much better at creating scenes and feelings of inspiration than they are drama, because the later always feels forced and blatantly telegraphed. There's also good foreshadowing and bad foreshadowing. Rather than Amanti's weird psychic thing, Sharon's illness should have been hinted at subtly 30 episodes ago and gradually brought to the fore.

I like this show so much, but it's so much better when it plays to its strengths.

Amstrad
Apr 4, 2007

To destroy evil you must become an even greater evil.
I have to wonder if the telegraphing issue is a result of this being a manga adaptation. I'd bet that a lot of effort was made to end each chapter of the manga on some degree of tension, which when strung back to back in a single episode leads to the stilted pacing we're seeing.

Dan7el
Dec 7, 2008

A coworker of mine has this same disease as Sharon. He's my age. I saw him go from walking unaided, to using a cane, to now in a motorized chair. His last day at work was yesterday. The prognosis for people with this disease isn't very good either.

I'm a bit surprised they're still using T-38's in 2025. I suppose it makes sense. The USAF has had pilots in planes older than said pilots for years now. I used to fly in a T-39 that was built in 1959. No. I was not a pilot. I was a flight test engineer, so I had wings, but not the pilot kind.

Would be interesting to see them get egress training, survival training, etc. "No Mutta, that condom in the survival kit is used to carry water." Yeah. In my day, the kits had condoms as water bags. Who knew?

Would also be interesting to see if they get anyone who has issues with motion sickness. I knew a fellow captain that washed out of pilot school because of it. He'd start vomiting as he and his instructor began to approach the trainer on the tarmac. Maybe they have better medicine for that in 2025?

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?
Manga spoilers, but come the gently caress on Japan I thought we were past this poo poo. Although, they almost redeem themselves in the next scene.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Falken posted:

Manga spoilers, but come the gently caress on Japan I thought we were past this poo poo. Although, they almost redeem themselves in the next scene.

I was dying laughing at the next scene.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Falken posted:

Manga spoilers, but come the gently caress on Japan I thought we were past this poo poo. Although, they almost redeem themselves in the next scene.

They're probably quite innocently unaware of the unfortunate history there. Probably.

Also, I think this is the first anime I've seen where they actually bother to give a character an actual illness instead of the dreaded Unspecified ConditionTM.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

paragon1 posted:

They're probably quite innocently unaware of the unfortunate history there. Probably.

Also, I think this is the first anime I've seen where they actually bother to give a character an actual illness instead of the dreaded Unspecified ConditionTM.

The death toll for Anime Coughing Disease must be in the millions by now.

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?
Has anyone in anime actually had cancer rather than space disease #051?

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk

paragon1 posted:

They're probably quite innocently unaware of the unfortunate history there. Probably.

Also, I think this is the first anime I've seen where they actually bother to give a character an actual illness instead of the dreaded Unspecified ConditionTM.

I actually thought it might of been a made up anime disease but it turns out it's Lou Gehrig's disease.

So, does this mean that there was actually beneficial research to ALS on the international space station? That's kinda cool if true. Also kind of depressing because I don't think there's a plucky anime lady in a desperate rush to get up to the space station before it closes and continue the search for a cure/treatment in real life.

OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jun 30, 2013

Ultraklystron
May 19, 2010

Unsafe At Every Speed

Falken posted:

Has anyone in anime actually had cancer rather than space disease #051?

Cancer as a specific consequence of long term cosmic ray exposure comes up in PlanetES. I assume space cancer counts for at least half.

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?

Ultraklystron posted:

Cancer as a specific consequence of long term cosmic ray exposure comes up in PlanetES. I assume space cancer counts for at least half.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

ashez2ashes
Aug 15, 2012

No new episode this week? Or maybe crunchyroll is just really behind?

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
Mutta has discovered the horrors of the Scantron sheet.:argh:

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk
For some reason I'm really looking forward to this arc. I think I enjoy the sorta procedural learning process style episodes way more than the heavy drama ones. It also helpes DeNeil is awesome.

Arcanen
Dec 19, 2005

While I like Serika and Kenji being in the top group (which is obviously going to be a focus), I wish someone else had made it in place of Amanti so we could get to know 3 new top level people instead of just 2. We might be introduced to new people later on, but I feel like I'm going to look down on them for not making the top group .. I'm clearly being too judgmental about the results of a fictional multiple choice exam about a plane.

ashez2ashes
Aug 15, 2012

I don't know why but I'm really enchanted by the fact that the show so accurately research bubble tape. lol

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cooldude2.0
Oct 12, 2004
Grimey Drawer
I'm disappointed that you only get linear gains in learning speed when you increase jet speed. Seems like a 50% faster jet should let you learn at least 125% faster.

Amstrad
Apr 4, 2007

To destroy evil you must become an even greater evil.
I didn't really like the crazy old man when he had a van and I like him even less as crazy wheelchair man.

cooldude2.0
Oct 12, 2004
Grimey Drawer
No one in the show seems to like him either. Compared to all the other old men in this series, especially Ozzy and Nanba Sr., he's pretty bad.

Another Poster
Apr 12, 2008
I like him.

Dan7el
Dec 7, 2008

Having flown as a flight test engineer with the USAF, I swear I was smelling jet fuel while sitting in my easy-chair watching this episode today.

What surprises me is that currently, no ground-based flight simulators appear to exist for the T-38. I would've thought that Mutta would've been introduced to flying via some simulator. I got to fly in a KC-135R model ground-based simulator around 1990-1991 when I participated in an officer exchange with a pilot while working on a SAC base. It was a blast. Strange, I think, that a simulator for the T-38 doesn't exist.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Dan7el posted:

Having flown as a flight test engineer with the USAF, I swear I was smelling jet fuel while sitting in my easy-chair watching this episode today.

What surprises me is that currently, no ground-based flight simulators appear to exist for the T-38. I would've thought that Mutta would've been introduced to flying via some simulator. I got to fly in a KC-135R model ground-based simulator around 1990-1991 when I participated in an officer exchange with a pilot while working on a SAC base. It was a blast. Strange, I think, that a simulator for the T-38 doesn't exist.

I think it's strange to make a pilot out of anyone who wasn't going to actually fly a space-craft. Surely acclimatizing them to high Gs and other such things would be enough? But yeah it's just dramatic license to start them off in physical planes.

Dan7el
Dec 7, 2008

paragon1 posted:

I think it's strange to make a pilot out of anyone who wasn't going to actually fly a space-craft. Surely acclimatizing them to high Gs and other such things would be enough? But yeah it's just dramatic license to start them off in physical planes.
Honestly, the whole requiring the ASCANs to learn to fly T-38's surprised me too. Researching online, the reason NASA gives is to teach the astronauts to think fast. Even the mission specialists undertake this training. I would think it's a lot of fun and interesting.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
CAN YOU CONQUER THE MODONALD TRIPLE BURGER!?!?!

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

paragon1 posted:

CAN YOU CONQUER THE MODONALD TRIPLE BURGER!?!?!

I'm surprised that's not already a thing there. BK has the Triple Stack however which is close.

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Valsu
Jan 2, 2006

paragon1 posted:

CAN YOU CONQUER THE MODONALD TRIPLE BURGER!?!?!

No. :(

Episode 67 was great. I couldn't help but laugh at the ATC communications used. It's supposed to be short and to the point, not given in full sentences. The best part of the episode was Mutta finally splitting the flight of ASCANs with a curtain over the canopy.

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