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richardfun posted:Holy gently caress, that Ferguson is a gigantic dick. Whoever books the guests on this show needs to be fired... There are few worse people who get to add to the public discourse. Remember when he said that Keynes didn't care about the future because he was gay? Or this terrible piece of Obama full of just make up crap: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/08/19/niall-ferguson-on-why-barack-obama-needs-to-go.html
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They should have had Craig Ferguson on instead of that shithead.....and the blonde lady is always funny, in a batshit insane way - because she's so nice about her horrible positions.
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Jun 15, 2013 19:59
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Close your eyes and imagine Niall sitting in a dark room with the VICE staff, from back when they did the Shell in Nigeria piece, getting up on the cross about poor and victimized fossil fuel and how many jobs they create---it would be amazing. His slimy self would be utterly beside himself if he deigned to actually get firsthand with any of the messes Proper Industry has wrought instead of declaring himself to be their white knight. I will never understand why he has pollster folk on outside of the almost comically, yet certainly morally bankrupt like Luntz---can't think of a time that they ever add to anything save for an echo chamber to whatever interest they are supporting, doubly so as that is always the establishment. Total side question: Has VICE ever done anything at all with the folks from The Real News? I know of no other web-based news outlets that focus on how generally how horrible things actually are and folks being crazy aside from the pair, and the internet can't be that small of a world can it?
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Jun 15, 2013 23:03
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Was there ever a more terrible guest than Stephen Moore? I remember that guy just talked just to talk and just spewed talking points like crazy.
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Jun 15, 2013 23:05
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Off the top of my head Ernest Istook, John Fund, Matthew Continetti, and Ron Christie.
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Jun 16, 2013 00:00
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To me, Ferguson topped all of those. His sheer arrogance and bald faced contempt for anyone who dared disagree with him made my blood boil. At one point, the documentary guy points out that Ferguson won't let him finish a single sentence and that he is being rather impolite. It's hard to make out what Ferguson says in reply exactly, but it's something along the lines of 'you get as much time to talk as I think you deserve'.
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Jun 16, 2013 08:44
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I saw Kevin D. Williamson on C-SPAN the other day again. His appearance is not that dissimilar to that of an NWO villain from a Jack Chick tract. "The End Is Near and It's Going to Be Awesome": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHm0zB6pEP4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihKzO4405Bk
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Jun 17, 2013 20:17
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Steinuh posted:Was there ever a more terrible guest than Stephen Moore? I remember that guy just talked just to talk and just spewed talking points like crazy. The best was when Steve Moore was spouting off about ACORN and this older, black congresswoman was also on the panel and shut him down gloriously by telling him he shouldn't discuss stuff he knows nothing about.
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Jun 18, 2013 20:02
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richardfun posted:To me, Ferguson topped all of those. His sheer arrogance and bald faced contempt for anyone who dared disagree with him made my blood boil. Yes, we shouldn't do anything about it militarily. The two recent wars we got into nearly destroyed our economy & single handily made the entire world loose respect/hate us, and it's not our job to police the world to begin with. The focus of the U.S. from here on out is domestic policy, not foreign policy.
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Jun 22, 2013 17:47
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Heh he makes the statement that "faith isn't a virtue" and you can hear a pin drop. Either the audience fell asleep on it, or it was just poorly timed. Either way he's right. He really detests the Islamic world though, and I do share a lot of his sympathies and feel like he should really get out there and talk about why he feels that way. He comes off as if he hates all Muslim folk which I don't think he does, just the idea of extreme Islam in general. Are they re-showing VICE from the beginning? I want to DVR the entire series now after seeing an episode.
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Jun 23, 2013 20:19
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Jastiger posted:He really detests the Islamic world though, and I do share a lot of his sympathies and feel like he should really get out there and talk about why he feels that way. He comes off as if he hates all Muslim folk which I don't think he does, just the idea of extreme Islam in general.
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Jun 23, 2013 21:05
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Devour posted:I assume you're talking about Maher. He does talk about how he feels the way he does on the Muslim issue. He is also one of the very few people out there who confronts the media on their hypocritical bullshit when it comes to criticizing Christianity and not Islam. I was and I saw that. I feel like Bill cut him off too much and that they were talking past one another a bit. However on multiple times I have seen and heard folks who say he's an islamophobe and hates Muslim people. I don't think he does but people still feel that way. I actually agree with him on a lot of what he says there I just wish he'd flesh it out a bit more.
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Jun 23, 2013 21:12
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Oh come on, everybody knows the worst guest is PJ O'Rourke
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Jun 23, 2013 21:31
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Did anyone else think Julia Reed was really Ron White in drag with a slightly higher voice and a Suze Orman wig?
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Jun 24, 2013 12:02
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SE Cupp is pretty lovely and useless overall. And it looks like she is getting another show. CROSS FIRE WITH NEWT GINGRICH/CUPP on one side...
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Jun 27, 2013 01:33
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TLG James posted:SE Cupp is pretty lovely and useless overall.
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Jun 27, 2013 04:43
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In case anyone's wondering what the weird black conservative dude was going on about with the "equal sovereignty doctrine" it's a made up legal thing that's the new Agenda 21 among the right wing fringe. e: holy poo poo this guy is a pro-level house negro Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jun 29, 2013 |
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Jun 29, 2013 04:34
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comes along bort posted:e: holy poo poo this guy is a pro-level house negro He was on Bill's old show in the past (there were some videos of him arguing with George Carlin on Youtube but they've been removed). He's kind of a proto-Ron Christie. I believe he went to jail as part of the Jack Abramoff scandal.
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Jun 29, 2013 05:05
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Yeah, this Horace chump pretty much sunk the episode---he might as well be a primer as to how to revel in willful ignorance and otherwise. Also, why is this generally useless Rep pollster lady back again...wasn't she just on some weeks back? That one guy at the other end can't carry a panel like that by himself. At least next ep after the week off has some more beloved characters like Cornel West coming on---he'd probably have blown a gasket real quick if he'd landed on this week.
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Jun 29, 2013 13:28
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TLG James posted:SE Cupp is pretty lovely and useless overall. "Cupp describes herself as an atheist but consistently states that she's open to theism,[15][16][17] and "really aspires to be a person of faith some day." Sounds like she found her niche. What a phony idiot.
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ExiledTinkerer posted:At least next ep after the week off has some more beloved characters like Cornel West coming on---he'd probably have blown a gasket real quick if he'd landed on this week. Don't give up hope of that happening just yet. They also have a couple right wing hacks scheduled as well. I know it's an old argument but these people bring absolutely nothing to the discussion, and invariably poo poo gets bogged down when they start in with the outlandish lies, like the whopper this week where apparently Texas has never executed an innocent person. Why would someone claim that? Beyond being disproven with like five seconds of research, Texas is pretty much the entire reason posthumous death row exonerations exist. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jun 29, 2013 |
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Jun 29, 2013 15:02
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Well Bill's in a tough spot as far as booking guests goes. It's an overwhelmingly liberal audience and HBO target demographic, any anyone expressing anything that isn't socialism is reviled and hated (particularly the women, at least in this thread), but if it was just West and Moore and Maddow every week it's kind of a useless "I agree" discussion. Not really sure how you solve that, to be honest the best shows are the ones where the comedy bits and the one-on-one segments are really good, the panel discussion is never something people seem to enjoy.
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comes along bort posted:...they start in with the outlandish lies, like the whopper this week where apparently Texas has never executed an innocent person. Why would someone claim that? Compulsive liars thrive on telling big obnoxious lies. I saw Horace Cooper on Thom Hartmann's RT show a few nights back and he was doing the same things.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Well Bill's in a tough spot as far as booking guests goes. It's an overwhelmingly liberal audience and HBO target demographic, any anyone expressing anything that isn't socialism is reviled and hated (particularly the women, at least in this thread), but if it was just West and Moore and Maddow every week it's kind of a useless "I agree" discussion. Chris Hayes does an alright job having panels without hacks, though occasionally he gets a few. A lot has to do with getting well-informed guests. It's actually way more productive and entertaining when you don't have to stop every five seconds to listen to some shithead go off with their idiot talking points, and it doesn't turn into a circle jerk because even without the useless right wing hacks you still get a surprisingly broad range of opinion. Really there needs to be more media willing to acknowledge conservatism in America has nothing left to offer- Maher even flirts with that with the dispatches from the bubble stuff and once in a while calling out especially bad guests. And booking people from PR firms, partisan polling groups, the Wall Street Journal, etc. you know what you're going to get from them and it just kills the show dead in its tracks.
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Jun 30, 2013 01:57
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Dan O'Neill is/was basically an auto reviewer for WSJ and other place like that Adam Corolla show last year and I think he did pretty well and was good and putting facts out there without frothing at the mouth. I can't remember if he's been on before but I wanted him to review a car for the gently caress of it midway. The think tank guy and cute sorority GOP "stratergy" girl were always on message like bought mouthpieces always are, no surprises there - but neither were extraordinarily repulsive and rude, like a lot of them are - so there's that. 
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At least the episode next next Friday has Cornell West on it. I've missed Neil DeGrasse Tyson as well, but I'd imagine he's busy with the Cosmos retread.
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Keyser S0ze posted:Dan O'Neill is/was basically an auto reviewer for WSJ and other place like that Adam Corolla show last year and I think he did pretty well and was good and putting facts out there without frothing at the mouth. I can't remember if he's been on before but I wanted him to review a car for the gently caress of it midway. I'd say Horace was pretty repulsive when he said Texas never executed an innocent person, when he backed shutting down abortion clinics, when he claimed homosexuality was a sin and in some way a defect, denied climate change, and so on and so forth. Sometimes I just want to just grab them by their collar and yell at them. Not because I disagree with them (though thats true), but because they bring the discussion to a screeching halt to bring up bullshit talking points that no one is interested in hearing over and over again. Seriously, Bill should have stopped and called him out on it, but he was either too classy or too busy.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Well Bill's in a tough spot as far as booking guests goes. It's an overwhelmingly liberal audience and HBO target demographic, any anyone expressing anything that isn't socialism is reviled and hated (particularly the women, at least in this thread), but if it was just West and Moore and Maddow every week it's kind of a useless "I agree" discussion. There's got to be a spectrum of guests he can tap into beyond some ridiculous false dichotomy of "Socialism vs whatever umbrella the Republican party is currently under due to Rain of X"---I don't think women and non-socialists(Bernie is still the only one thus far..) get any real revilement so much as anybody that is so willfully ignorant and chomping at the bit to drag the show into a cesspool and not actually rationally discuss anything, or heaven forbid face up to their own notions and think twice in the ensuing panel discussion. As such, pretty much a cavalcade of pro-establishment/Republican/right-leaning Libertarians tend to be the one's so eager to do the above considering they are either making serious bank/power presently, think they too will one day, or just want that spotlight to tow the line. His audience isn't even that liberal, as most of the time supposed "radical left" notions don't even register or get a rise out of them and he's said time and again on tour that the show cuts across a wide cross section. What he needs are people that know their stuff in their field, would like the public to better know it too, and let party or nationality be damned.
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Most of the monologues from episodes before have been mediocre but holy poo poo this week's was probably one of the best in a while. At some points I almost felt bad for Horrace Cooper because they were ripping him apart, but god drat guy wont even acknowledge that global warming is real.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:31
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Forget acknowledgement, Horace is outright "proud" to be a climate change denier---once you hit that level, on that sort of critical issue, you become nigh untouchable.
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Jun 30, 2013 23:04
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ExiledTinkerer posted:Forget acknowledgement, Horace is outright "proud" to be a climate change denier---once you hit that level, on that sort of critical issue, you become nigh untouchable. That's what I'm saying; why even bother having someone like that on TV unless it's to publicly mock them.
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Jul 1, 2013 00:00
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Seriously when the gently caress are Climate change deniers going to receive the same treatment as Holocaust deniers?
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Jul 1, 2013 02:10
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The argument of scientists said the world was flat look how that turned out. Scientists are therefore wrong about global warming  .
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Jul 1, 2013 02:31
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I believe that was religion saying the world was flat, not scientists. If I remember correctly, the Catholic Church at one time said it was blasphemy to say otherwise.
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Steinuh posted:The argument of scientists said the world was flat look how that turned out. Scientists are therefore wrong about global warming "Snow still exists somewhere on the planet - so don't tell me that the people bursting into flames in the Southwest and the near-constant Derecho threat is caused by ~Global Warming~." 
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Devour posted:Seriously when the gently caress are Climate change deniers going to receive the same treatment as Holocaust deniers? When we go extinct from climate change.
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Animal-Mother posted:When we go extinct from climate change. Shameless lib'rul propaganda: 
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Devour posted:I believe that was religion saying the world was flat, not scientists. If I remember correctly, the Catholic Church at one time said it was blasphemy to say otherwise. You're thinking of heliocentric theory. Very few people actually thought the world was flat, church scientists and most people who cared knew the truth. Sailors being a superstitious lot were one of the that actually believed.
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Didn't read through the thread so sorry in advance if this is already answered, but is it hard to get tickets to the show? I've sent e-mails and called the number and left messages. Heard nothing back. I'm wondering now if I'm trying too hard and it is as simple as going there and standing in line. I would prefer tickets since I won't be in California long.
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Just watched this now and I think we can all agree that Saran Wrap can go gently caress itself.
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