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Polpoto posted:Could you explain at all? I really didn't know there was even a difference or categories. Romantic chivalry = defend the weak, rescue maidens in distress, never use dirty fighting tricks, never retreat in the face of death Real chivalry = wealth and power, slaughter the weak except the nobility whom you can ransom, honor maidens unless they're war booty, brutalize the peasants into submission, no respect for anyone unless he is of equal or higher status Schneider Heim posted:In The First Heretic, Kor Phaeron said to Lorgar that the Lion inherited the Emperor's rationality but not his morality. But take that with a grain of salt, since he was trying to drive an edge between Lorgar and his real father.
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Baron Bifford posted:Wasn't it Lorgar who thought the Emperor should be worshipped as a god? Yeah. And then he was... influenced to seek out other gods when that didn't work out.
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The fluff says that the more powerful a psyker is, the more attractive he becomes to daemons and thus the more vulnerable he is to possession. Except the Emperor. My understanding is that you can only be possessed by a daemon who is stronger than you, and the Emperor is the only human psyker who is stronger than every daemon out there. Is this correct?
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Does anyone know if there's anything going on with Black Library? I was looking over their coming releases section, and they've only got releases listed through August, which seems weird since before they've had listed releases seemingly 4-6 months out. Vulkan Lives is listed on Amaazon but not on the BL site.
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Pyrolocutus posted:Does anyone know if there's anything going on with Black Library? I was looking over their coming releases section, and they've only got releases listed through August, which seems weird since before they've had listed releases seemingly 4-6 months out. Vulkan Lives is listed on Amaazon but not on the BL site. That's a thing they've been doing for a long time now. Hell if I know why. I just chalk it down to GW being GW.
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I think the Lion lacked long term planning, as said he grew up in the wilderness and then in a martial order and his entire life was fighting monsters. He managed to rid Caliban of all the weird mutant freak monsters and immediately after the Emperor shows up to get him. So we don't know how he would have approached building a real society and it's possible he didn't even plan for it. I think it's also likely that like someone else said, the Lion saw the poo poo going on with the chaos stuff in the rebellion and thought "wtf this is like Caliban, I'm out" and sought a way back in with the Emperor.
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Pyrolocutus posted:Does anyone know if there's anything going on with Black Library? I was looking over their coming releases section, and they've only got releases listed through August, which seems weird since before they've had listed releases seemingly 4-6 months out. Vulkan Lives is listed on Amaazon but not on the BL site.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Well, the buzz is that GW has been/will shortly be sold (rumor alert!), so they might be holding off to see what happens with the publishing wing of GW. Tell me more of this glorious rumor.
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Demiurge4 posted:I think the Lion lacked long term planning, as said he grew up in the wilderness and then in a martial order and his entire life was fighting monsters. He managed to rid Caliban of all the weird mutant freak monsters and immediately after the Emperor shows up to get him. So we don't know how he would have approached building a real society and it's possible he didn't even plan for it. I think the Lion did have impressive long term planning skills but only when it came to war. He was smart enough to group together with Russ and slowly reconquer the lost worlds instead of heading straight for Terra in order to better aid the rebuilding of the Empire. He definitely has plans and motivations but he's unable to communicate them across to even his closest peers which is why so many of his own chapter liked Luther more than him. You'd be happy to grab a beer after work with guys like Fulgrim or Russ but El'Johnson is that guy nobody invites because he'll either be unable to shut up about work or he'll stare at you awkwardly as you both try to make small talk. berzerkmonkey posted:Well, the buzz is that GW has been/will shortly be sold (rumor alert!), so they might be holding off to see what happens with the publishing wing of GW. It's a listed company so I don't think it will be sold without more notice.
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Baron Bifford posted:Their big shameful secret is that some of their number fell to Chaos during the Horus Heresy. GW is exactly this mature. Baron Bifford posted:An older Dark Angels codex says that the Lion is alive but comatose, watched over by a race of xenos called Watchers who presumably can hide his existence because they're blanks. That can't be the secret, because it seems none of the Dark Angels know about it. Is this still canon, though? Baron Bifford posted:The Tau have a bunch of psychic races in their empire, such as the Nicassar. They don't seem to have any problems with Chaos. Neither do the Orks. I've never seen a Chaos Ork (and I'm glad - Orks are more fun when "pure"). I take it then the Chaos Gods are only interested in humans and Eldar?
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GW is publically traded, it can't really be "sold" in the way people are talking about it. There could be some controlling interest shenanigans going on or maybe the company held stock being transfered or whatever, but not quite the same as a sale yet. You'd be amazed at the poo poo I heard from company heads while working there back in the day. Sisters Repentia, for example, were carefully nudged into being a period joke.
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GW is one of this companies that have really horrible evil business practices but occasionally produce some super-fun stuff. A lot like what Star Wars used to be before Disney bought the franchise. What I'm saying is I want Warner Bros. to buy GW and make a Space Wolves Saturday morning cartoon. If they only fight Orks and Tyranids the violence doesn't have to be toned down much.  (Yes I know this is a Bad Idea)
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Arquinsiel posted:Khorne Stormboyz used to be a thing. An arguement could be made for the Hrud. From memory, haven't there been Orks in official Black Library stories that have turned to Chaos? I'm pretty sure there are models of 'Chaos Orks' out there somewhere too. berzerkmonkey posted:You're probably right, but from what I've heard (I'm not an expert here) you can keep a sale on the DL as long as stockholders are aware. Also, I've no clue as to how business works in the UK, so they might be able to keep things hush-hush until right before they sign the papers. I had a quick look at their investor reports and I think two large shareholders dumped a bunch of shares in June but I'm not sure if that actually means anything without more information. You can't actually keep a sale quiet. Company A has to indicate publicly that it is about to purchase Company B and the actual sale, including all the due diligence, takes at least a couple of months to settle. I just don't think GW will sell simply because nobody will buy it as it is a really lovely company.
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VanSandman posted:GW is one of this companies that have really horrible evil business practices but occasionally produce some super-fun stuff. A lot like what Star Wars used to be before Disney bought the franchise. What I'm saying is I want Warner Bros. to buy GW and make a Space Wolves Saturday morning cartoon. If they only fight Orks and Tyranids the violence doesn't have to be toned down much. Yeah GW is evil and all, but at the very least they try to maintain control over the quality of the IP even though they would probably make a ton of money in the short term if they decided to cash in and license it willy nilly. I worry to think what new management would do because as bad as they are, it could definitely get worse because the setting has always been better than the game to the point where honestly the setting is the only reason most people even play the game, but very few corporate people really understand or care about the importance of managing an IP in the long term. But then again these are the people who released the Ultramarines movie and keep letting Mat Ward write the fluff instead of just crunch, so maybe I'm just totally wrong about this.
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Pyrolocutus posted:Cube? What book was this mentioned in? I think it might be in The Primarchs or Fear the Alien, its a short story where the Dark Angels show up and intercede in a spat between the Death Guard and the Iron Hands or something that are fighting over a mechanicus lab that is housing a sentient daemon cube. The Dark Angels end up with the cube, which among other things allows them to jump the entire DA fleet through the warp with pin point precision including translating the entire fleet out at once. Its how the DA brutally hosed one of the chaos fleets in the heresy. Also the cube is like whispering poo poo to the lion and stuff I dunno its been a bit since I last read it.
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It's July 2nd, the official Amazon release date for Ahriman: Exile. Even though it's been out as an ebook forever and GW probably started shipping paperbacks a while ago (I know some were sold at the HH Weekender), it hasn't gotten a lot of traction in terms of reviews. So I wrote one. Spoiler-free! John French, in Ahriman: Exile, Chapter I posted:+Fate, Ahriman,+ said the distant voice. The light in Karoz’s eyes was the blue of a new-born sun. +I am fate come round at last.+ I first became aware of John French’s work for Warhammer 40,000 when my boyfriend told me about “The Last Remembrancer," one of French’s short stories. "Don’t read it," he warned me; “it’ll ruin your weekend. It’s the most grimdark thing I’ve read." Which, of course, pretty much guaranteed I read it. It quickly leapt into my all-time-top-five 40K short stories—ground held pretty firmly by Dan Abnett, at that point. As it turned out, though “The Last Remembrancer" was one of the very first stories of French’s that Black Library published, it was not the first work of his I’d read — he’s noted as contributing extensively to the Dark Heresy tabletop game books, and on reflection I realized that whole biased screed in the beginning of Black Crusade was likely French’s hand at work. When his novella The Crimson Fist came out last fall, I was delighted by it. This dude, the novella cemented, has chops. It was while I was reading reviews of Dan Abnett’s much-awaited Pariah this past fall that I became aware that Mr. French was slated to publish his first full-length novel in summer 2013. The title of that novel was Ahriman: Exile. Amazon.com listed its publication date as 2 July 2013—my birthday. Never has the universe presented me with a finer birthday present, though this one came quite early. Ahriman: Exile was released in ebook format on Christmas day, 2012. As can be surmised from its title, Exile’s principal character is Ahzek Ahriman, once Chief Librarian of the Thousand Sons, creator of the eponymous Rubric. The supporting cast is on the small side—one female techpriest and shipmaster, and four members of an unnamed Renegade chapter of Space Marines. Other tertiary characters also feature, some known to fans of the Thousand Sons, and others new. It is never explicitly stated when the novel takes place—my own personal suspicion places it later than M36 due to the suspected identity of the Renegade chapter—but as much of the action takes place in the Eye of Terror, “when" becomes somewhat meaningless. I purchased and devoured it in short order not because, like Pariah, I had sworn to dedicate my day to its reading, but because I simply could not stop. I began reading it late one night, thinking I’d get through a few chapters before bed, and found myself some time later catching my breath at the end of part one and disappointed that I was too tired to continue. I devoured the remaining two parts the following day. I find French’s prose incredibly evocative. So much of the strength of 40K lies in its atmosphere, and John French is up to the task of its craftsmanship. Things can become truly weird when psykers are involved, and he handles this with as much aplomb as he does the rich textures of Ahriman’s eidetic memories. Psychic combat can swiftly become boring or over-the-top; I grew fatigued of it in the Ravenor trilogy, and occasionally in Graham MacNeill’s A Thousand Sons, but here it is engaging above all. His characters are also well-realized. Ahriman is a well-known figure to fans of the Space Marines, and it would have been simple to present us with the same character we saw in MacNeill’s Heresy-era novel, or conversely the one who appears in Atlas Infernal, among other works, but Ahriman the Exile is a man apart from these versions of himself in more ways than time. His disposition makes sense given his character’s past and interim experiences, and the line may also be drawn from Exile’s protagonist to what he will become. Original to this work are the tech-priest Carmenta and the Librarian Astraeos, along with Astraeos’ battle-brothers. Their pasts are glimpses in fractured mirrors, and their futures unknown to us, but as characters they ring true and they stand up well against this monolithic figure. I really wish I could find more fault with the book, as unmitigated positivism doesn’t really ring true for me, but my main complaint stems from the fact that it is the first book in an unfinished series, and the wait is agony. (In late June, however, French tweeted that he was at the halfway point in the second novel, so at least I know it’s coming along.) Also, Exile doesn’t pass Bechdel, but 40K has never really tried to satisfy that requirement. I know what I’m in for, in that sense, when I pick up a Warhammer novel, and I’m fine with that. If I sound like an unapologetic fangirl, that may be because I am. Before Ahriman: Exile, I was happy to read John French wherever I came across his work; afterward I began to seek it out. While it’s all worth reading if you are at all interested in Warhammer 40,000, Exile is French’s crowning achievement thus far.
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Just finished Betrayer. God drat, I was not expecting Angron of all people to be so sympathetic. The Big E had a hand in the betrayals of Lorgar, Mortarion, Magnus, and maybe even Horus, but Angron? That one's all on the Emperor.
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Though it always involved his secrecy in some manner, no, Mortarion was a little bitch and Horus was just drawing conclusions through manipulation by the chaos gods. Similarly, he gave instructions for Magnus not to peruse certain things, and even then, even after Prospero was destroyed, Magnus siding with Chaos was his own hubris and inability to confront his mistakes. Lorgar was also constantly told NOT to worship him, and he kept on doing it anyway in complete disregard for his orders, and even when confronted with the Big E finally setting his foot down in a large and humiliating display of force, Lorgar bitched and whined that he really was a god. That's how bad that was - the argument could be made that the Emperor didn't go far enough in his sanction. As for Angron? I'd really like to see the Emperor's side of the story.
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Nephilm posted:As for Angron? I'd really like to see the Emperor's side of the story.
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berzerkmonkey posted:I think his side would essentially be "I know Angron's a primarch and all, but even he can't hold off an entire army by himself. I removed him from a literal death sentence because I have grand plans for him and his brothers!" To which the natural response would be "Counterpoint: Corax. He controlled the moon of his homeworld and wrecked the planet below, but you agreed to conquer the planet that Corax didn't have the manpower for in order to bring Corax on board. You teleported me to your ship and leave everything I ever fought and cared for to die, rather than send your forces, which included the entire War Hounds Legion, to my aid. Go gently caress yourself."
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Cythereal posted:Just finished Betrayer. God drat, I was not expecting Angron of all people to be so sympathetic. The Big E had a hand in the betrayals of Lorgar, Mortarion, Magnus, and maybe even Horus, but Angron? That one's all on the Emperor. Well, that's from one perspective. How about another: you finally find your long-lost son, shaped through ancient technologies and more esoteric means from your own essence. You created him to be a lord of war, martial pride and glory incarnate. But instead, thrown beyond your control, he's been turned into a drooling psychotic degenerate. You see the suffering in his eyes because, in his more lucid times, he knows what has been stolen from him, and he tells you that all he wants now is to die with his foster family. The damage done to his brain makes him resistant to your attempts to fix him or change his mind, so you leave him to his decision. But you can't bear to watch another of your great works destroyed, even in this doomed, diminished state. Maybe you can save him, even if he hates you for it forever. On top of that, he was created for a greater purpose. You're in the midst of a race to unite humanity and gather lost technologies before the powers of chaos organize and destroy mankind forever. Everyone must make sacrifices. So at the last minute, you bring him back from the death he craves. You know he'll hate you for it, but also that he won't be able to resist the promise of conquest and glory: it's just his nature, as a being that's a weapon as well as a man. And the feelings of one person, even your own son, mean little in the face of what he can contribute to the war effort before his inevitable death. You're ashamed, but you were not the one who did this thing to him, and this is a struggle for the future of the entire universe. Maybe once the struggle is over, you can pay him back for what you ask of him. Cythereal posted:To which the natural response would be "Counterpoint: Corax. He controlled the moon of his homeworld and wrecked the planet below, but you agreed to conquer the planet that Corax didn't have the manpower for in order to bring Corax on board. You teleported me to your ship and leave everything I ever fought and cared for to die, rather than send your forces, which included the entire War Hounds Legion, to my aid. Go gently caress yourself." As to this, perhaps the big E needed something from the technologically advanced rulers of Deshea, something he was afraid would be destroyed if he wiped out their army and gained their enmity. Alternatively, maybe he realizes after he teleports Angron out at the last minute that all Angron's fellow slaves are already dead, and Angron will never forgive him no matter what happens afterwards, so gently caress it. Or maybe he just doesn't understand how much Angron cares about his little slave army and assumes he's being a stubborn dickhead. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jul 3, 2013 |
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Cream_Filling posted:Well, that's from one perspective.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Very eloquent - thumbs up to your explaination. Ok, now consider this one: you're the god emperor of mankind, the most powerful psyker ever, immortal, and so long as the human species doesn't look to be on the verge of extinction, you don't give a poo poo about other people much. Then the Eldar go and break the galaxy by creating a new chaos god. 'Oh gently caress,' you say, 'I'm not powerful enough to live through that.' You can tell that the warp will calm down eventually, so you go to the mountains and start planning. First you make an army, since you intend to FORCE your will on people who won't listen to you. That's the Thunder Warriors. Then you realize you can't be everywhere at once, and the warp looks like it will calm down soon, so you make some creatures like yourself to be an extension of your will. That's the primarchs. Of course, chaos fucks that project up, so you make the first space marines from the remnants of the primarch project. The thunder warriors? gently caress em, too unstable when you aren't around. First chance you get you go to Mars and make like you're the machine god, so they follow you religiously. Now you lead your armies out into the galaxy. Hey, your sons aren't dead! You find Horus, he's your partner now, poo poo's fun. Your conquering just fine, diplomacy is for chumps, Horus agrees. You find more sons. Hmm... Some of them are a bit weird. You don't like that Curze much, he's clearly nuts, but he's competent and good at getting what you need done accomplished so you leave him be. Roboute? He's got his own empire. Maybe you should encourage him to stick to his own territory, so he doesn't get any ideas. Then you find Angron. Dammit this one is really broken. Ah gently caress, who cares, you've got poo poo to do, all the others came around to your side eventually, right? Well, except for those two.... Chaos/Xenos bastards. But he's not chaos touched, just kinda psycho, so it's ok. Russ can take care of him if he gets out of hand. Better not tell your kids much about chaos, they might get ideas. Malcador keeps saying you won't be able to put down power when you're done. Well, that's the price you pay for survival. What's this deal about 'too much power?' Malcador, you're funny. Oh poo poo, what? Worship? gently caress that, that's too much like chaos. Better kill it. Lorgar can just deal with it. Ah hell, what now? MAGNUS THE gently caress DID YOU DO, I TOLD YOU TO CUT THAT poo poo OUT. Horus would never betray me, good old Horus. Oh gently caress Horus found out about chaos. Aaand half my kids hate me. I am the worst father ever. I could never have made any different choices when I set out to rule mankind, because I chose force. I am a tyrant. My death is ironic justice as my own techniques are used against me.
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VanSandman posted:I could never have made any different choices when I set out to rule mankind, because I chose force. I am a tyrant. My death is ironic justice as my own techniques are used against me. Alternatively, since the Emperor is effectively immortal, for a long time he's content to lurk behind the scenes and nudge mankind along. He doesn't feel any pressure because the chaos gods are still nascent and unformed, and humanity's latent psychic ability is too limited to really touch the warp in any really harmful way anyway. He refrains from direct involvement even after multiple borderline apocalyptic events that significantly fracture and damage humanity. But with the fall of the Eldar, the Emperor realizes that the entities in the warp are growing and combining in such a way that they're becoming these intelligent superpowers that are a real threat to the future of humanity and the universe. Stuck on earth and aided by his innate prescience, he hatches some sort of plan to try and thwart chaos before they fully reform and regain their intelligence and power after the trauma of the birth of a new chaos power. He resorts to force because there's no time for anything else, especially since all of a sudden he sees that there's a point in the future where even his foresight is clouded for some reason. Chaos has to be stopped before this time, he decides, and before it becomes unstoppable. The same goes for the shotgun marriage with Mars - he needs that technology now so as to unite the species and enact his master plan. Everything is sacrificed due to the need for haste. Even as powerful as he is, the Emperor realizes that he's just one person, and he will need subcommanders who he can entrust huge chunks of the galaxy to and who are resistant to the lure of chaos. So he creates the primarchs using ancient technology and sorcery, stealing power from the warp and possibly also instilling each with a portion of his own soul or maybe aspects of his own ancient personality. This would help explain why he never tries to recreate the primarch project, as well as the Emperor's trusting attitude towards the primarchs. But all of a sudden, chaos breaks through all his protections and steals them away. Now he's extra nervous and in an even bigger hurry, because already chaos is more powerful than he anticipated and smart enough to gently caress with him despite his strongest precautions. Like most of the other techno-barbarian warlords on earth, he's got his own genetically engineered soldiers. So, he takes the technological side of the primarch project and uses it to create even better ones, which become the Space Marines, with the plan to use them to find the primarchs and then force humanity under his rule so he can carry out his plan to save everyone without interference. Angron's explanation is compelling because he had a good writer behind him. And because his concerns are relatively more in line with contemporary American values. But you can go both ways on this. All the mystery and ambiguity, both factual and moral, is a big part of the fun of the setting. You're never quite sure how much of the bad poo poo that the modern Imperium does is really necessary, versus out of ignorance and fear. And it's even hard to say which would make things worse for the people in the setting - either humanity is so doomed by circumstance that such sacrifices are necessary, or else humanity is so flawed and stupid that it's destroying itself. And the Emperor, as a god-figure, is meant to embody that question in a single character. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 3, 2013 |
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The Emperor lent subtle aid to humanity from the shadows for 30,000 years. It didn't work. The great crusade was a desperate attempt to stave off humanity's extinction and bring it to glory, and even as it crumbled around him upon the machinations of his Great Enemy, this edifice he created, the Imperium of Man, was resilient enough to turn itself into the greatest civilization the galaxy had seen in scope, second only to the ancient Eldar, and this was without their millions of years of advancements and marvels. And this terrible dystopia, a war machine that can never halt or humanity will die, fueled by the toil and blood and suffering of billions, has lasted for ten thousand years. And for better or worse it is, by all indications, either humanity's final hope and refuge, or mankind's one last expletive to the galaxy before it burns out.
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berzerkmonkey posted:I wasn't saying that Cream_Filling's explanation was the correct one, I was just saying that I liked the way he presented it. Relax. But.... I wasn't mad? CF's post makes as much sense as mine does, and that's the fun. The ambiguity is what allows for compelling stories and dark humor, instead of just all oppression all the time.
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VanSandman posted:But.... I wasn't mad? CF's post makes as much sense as mine does, and that's the fun. The ambiguity is what allows for compelling stories and dark humor, instead of just all oppression all the time. Good post. +1
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Nephilm posted:The Emperor lent subtle aid to humanity from the shadows for 30,000 years. You forgot a bit of the history: the Imperium of Man is not the greatest civilisation of man, that was the Age of Technology. Humanity does really well for itself with the Emperor in the background but then the machine revolt happens and the Eldar gently caress everything up for everyone and Chaos is suddenly A Problem that needs fixing. Except the Emperor has to sit about for five thousand years waiting for Slaanesh to finish birthing and the warp to clam enough to launch his reconquest of the galaxy. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 3, 2013 |
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Is it a safe assumption that the birth of Slaanesh caused the warp storms that wrecked the first human galactic civilization ?
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mllaneza posted:Is it a safe assumption that the birth of Slaanesh caused the warp storms that wrecked the first human galactic civilization ? Nah, it created the Eye of Terror and actually blew away a lot of the warp storms that were blocking human expansion. Edit: I'm not really sure what caused those warp storms to begin with.
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mllaneza posted:Is it a safe assumption that the birth of Slaanesh caused the warp storms that wrecked the first human galactic civilization ? Kinda. It was a 5 thousand year process started off by plot reasons (the increasing decadence of the Eldar Empire). The Fall of the Eldar fucks up everything in the galaxy and there's a fluff piece either written or waiting to be written saying that the shitstorm in the warp they caused is what attracted the Tyranids to our galaxy from the void in the first place.
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Alchenar posted:....and there's a fluff piece either written or waiting to be written saying that the shitstorm in the warp they caused is what attracted the Tyranids to our galaxy from the void in the first place. Way to kill the entire galaxy twice over.
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Jul 4, 2013 00:02
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Alchenar posted:Kinda. It was a 5 thousand year process started off by plot reasons (the increasing decadence of the Eldar Empire). The Fall of the Eldar fucks up everything in the galaxy and there's a fluff piece either written or waiting to be written saying that the shitstorm in the warp they caused is what attracted the Tyranids to our galaxy from the void in the first place. I thought that was supposed to be the Astronomican? Tyranids aren't particularly susceptible to chaos.
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Demiurge4 posted:I like to think that Angron would oppose the Emperor if he was whole. He was supposed to embody his empathy and honour and even broken and psychotic he knows in his gut what the Emperor is doing to the galaxy is wrong. it is short and very quick, but it really hammers home a lot about the character. Alchenar posted:Kinda. It was a 5 thousand year process started off by plot reasons (the increasing decadence of the Eldar Empire). The Fall of the Eldar fucks up everything in the galaxy and there's a fluff piece either written or waiting to be written saying that the shitstorm in the warp they caused is what attracted the Tyranids to our galaxy from the void in the first place. Pretty sure the fluff is that they are attracted to the astronomicon, now the warp storms
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