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ViggyNash posted:I'm listening to the OST again, and I'm just really confused. There are so many amazing songs, yet I remember only 2 of the total from the show. Where the hell were all these great tracks? A lot of the tracks used in the show are just snippets from a full song. For example the tunes from Eren getting eaten and the Titeren debut are the same song (XL-TT).
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ViggyNash posted:I'm listening to the OST again, and I'm just really confused. There are so many amazing songs, yet I remember only 2 of the total from the show. Where the hell were all these great tracks? It's because the show versions use broken up versions of each song. They use bits and pieces of some, sometimes they remove a layer from another. They're there, but unless they're vocal songs they are usually in pieces when played during the show. e;fb a tad
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And now with a great episode 13 I'm all caught up. I'm a little confused what 14 will be about, but I suppose I'll find out in good time. Presumably the next big arc of the story will be recovering Wall Maria up to the district where Eren's house used to be, but if Trost was as big of a deal as it was, recovering that amount of territory is going to be a real pain. Can't wait. And yeah, if you listen closely to the songs, you can definitely tell in some of them when one tune ends and the other begins. Sylphid fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jul 1, 2013 |
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Jul 1, 2013 21:27
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darkgray posted:Not sure what you're asking, but I meant this show. Spelling is hard. That was what I was asking, thanks. I tried Googling 'kisdum', but found only that it is apparently the Cebuano word for 'frown'.
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Sylphid posted:And now with a great episode 13 I'm all caught up. I'm a little confused what 14 will be about, but I suppose I'll find out in good time. Presumably the next big arc of the story will be recovering Wall Maria up to the district where Eren's house used to be, but if Trost was as big of a deal as it was, recovering that amount of territory is going to be a real pain. Can't wait.
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Jul 1, 2013 23:02
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AradoBalanga posted:Every cadet gets a few words from their perspective while recapping the Trost events for latecomers and moving the story forward a little bit. You mean every cadet except for Marco. It's a good thing that he was prepared to die!    
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Jul 1, 2013 23:48
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JazzFlight posted:I think it's kinda goofy that we've now got characters named Erin, Armin, and Erwin. Is this the Lord of the Rings here? I mean you can do that if you want to? But there are no set rules for writing anything at all
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Jul 1, 2013 23:51
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The names are still quite discernible, even if they are similar. It's a hell of a lot better then Clannad's Tomoya/Tomoyo. Guess which one's male and which is female. It took me half a season to figure out which was which.
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Jul 2, 2013 00:09
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ViggyNash posted:It's a hell of a lot better then Clannad's Tomoya/Tomoyo. Guess which one's male and which is female. It took me half a season to figure out which was which.
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Jul 2, 2013 01:23
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As someone who doesn't watch a whole lot of anime, I really enjoyed the first few episodes of this and thought the setting was really interesting. But the endless monologues and flashbacks in some of the later episodes really got to me and I couldn't go on. Is that from the rush job and low budget that everyone is talking about or is that a stylistic anime thing?
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Jul 2, 2013 03:41
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Low budget? Considering that the animators put out an sos calling for MORE animators, I doubt budget is the issue here. In fact, I'm pretty sure this show has a ridiculous budget. Honestly though, even if they had a low budget, the piss-poor quality we've been getting can't be explained by just that. Look at Shaft and what they did with Madoka Magica, one of the best and most iconic shows of recent years, on probably half the budget. Wit Studio's problem isn't a lack of talent or capacity. It has to be sheer incompetence. Here's another thing I don't get: if time is the issue, then how does KyoAni put out consistently high quality animation under the same constraints? And it isn't like Wit is new to the industry since they were initially a part of IG, another well regarded company. I'm willing to bet that the problems they've had making the show are a result of organizational or managerial incompetence. Its like they're trying to be the EA of anime.
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An art installation in spain (unrelated)
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ViggyNash posted:Honestly though, even if they had a low budget, the piss-poor quality we've been getting can't be explained by just that. Look at Shaft and what they did with Madoka Magica, one of the best and most iconic shows of recent years, on probably half the budget. Wit Studio's problem isn't a lack of talent or capacity. It has to be sheer incompetence.
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Well Shaft and Shinbo are really good at finding creative ways to get around having no budget. Nothing like Asuka and Rei standing in an elevator for 5 minutes. And besides the occasional attack of Megucas, Madoka was of a pretty consistent quality.
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There's no question on what caused the quality to plummet after the first few episodes were so well-done. It's time constraints. That's it. They misjudged when they should have aired the series and, unfortunately, it's a lot worse for it.
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Mighty Dicktron posted:It's time constraints. KyoAni has the same time constraints when they animate a show, and their shows generally have consistently better animation.
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Jul 2, 2013 12:45
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As long as the parts that are worth animating (people slinging around on 3D gears, Eren punching titans) are animated well enough, I don't care about watching people move their exposition holes or whatever it is we are missing.
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Jul 2, 2013 12:56
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ViggyNash posted:KyoAni has the same time constraints when they animate a show, and their shows generally have consistently better animation. Oh yeah sure I bet, those scenes of moe bait eating cake are so well-animated they ought to be hung in the Louvre.
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Jul 2, 2013 13:46
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I'll assume you all missed Shinbou's horrific production crash called Tsukuyomi? It had much worse cases of sky stills than Titan. In fact, it had strangely unpainted scenes and was nearly unwatchable in the last couple of episodes. I think. It was a while ago. Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cE7CpzeGdQ&hd=1 darkgray fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jul 2, 2013 |
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Oxxidation posted:Oh yeah sure I bet, those scenes of moe bait eating cake are so well-animated they ought to be hung in the Louvre. And really all those extra frames go into hair swinging and clothes flapping as they tilt their heads around.
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Jul 2, 2013 14:18
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I made an opening parody with the Double Dream Hands guy, cause I'm addicted to these basically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXsjxcqPAYY
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Oxxidation posted:Oh yeah sure I bet, those scenes of moe bait eating cake are so well-animated they ought to be hung in the Louvre. Of course, since their cash magnet show is obviously representative of the usual quality of their work. I'm talking about their 1-2 course shows, like Chuunibyo and Hyouka for more recent titles. Those shows are gorgeous.
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ViggyNash posted:Honestly though, even if they had a low budget, the piss-poor quality we've been getting can't be explained by just that. Look at Shaft and what they did with Madoka Magica, one of the best and most iconic shows of recent years, on probably half the budget. Wit Studio's problem isn't a lack of talent or capacity. It has to be sheer incompetence. Dude, please, just stop. I don't know what this series did to you on a personal level but you're really losing touch. Yes, this episode had some laughable problems but it also had some fantastic moments of high class animation. Comparing it to KyoAni is marginally insane as well since while they do animate very well what they're doing isn't exactly visually intense. We also have no idea how each studio operates/relative budgets/schedule in anyway so, again, comparison is stupid and ill informed. On top of that, comparing anyone to KyoAni is generally rather unfair. They really outclass most other studios. Believe it or not but even with their problems Wit right now, in my opinion, compares favourably to lots of other studios. P.A works couldn't do AoT. DEEN would shrivel up and die trying to do the OP. Your SHAFT comparisons are also way off base. Now, I love me some SHAFT. When under a budget they'll pull out the style and mask it pretty loving well but they've put out SZS without the OP finished twice. First season they had nothing until Ep 3 and second season they only had it half done and worked around it by just updating it each episode. Almost every episode had sever fixes when it came to DVD with one segment being almost entirely redrawn. Bakemonogatari was plagued with problems throughout its production. Large blocks of nothing, episodes undergoing massive changes to DVD again and the DVD only episodes being delayed by months. Let's not touch on Kizumonogatari, the movie promised at the end of Bake that has yet to even have a release date. I understand the Negima!? movie also had massive problems which required the author to put up a blog entry explaining what the whole thing was about. Lots of minimal animation again. Hidamari also had an unfished OP, missing backgrounds (instead of a picture of Mt. Fuji they just had the kanji for it) and so forth. Even Madoka had major problems. At the time it was meant to air the finale was pretty unfinished and it was only thanks to the Earth itself ripping itself apart that SHAFT got the episode done. These are just the examples I've seen. I have no idea what other problems their other series have had but I don't doubt they existed. So yeah, Wit has some problems but it's nowhere near as bad as you seem to be implying.
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Its pretty piss poor when they're screwing with the frame rate extend a short scene and you are missing textures. Yea they have the ocasionally fantastic scene, but to me it isn't worth the absurd disparity in quality. They bit off more than they can chew and are making GBS threads themselves trying to deal with it.
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The production issues are confusing for me because this seems to be a hugely popular show and even a weird historical drama like Le Chevalier D'Eon (which has gotta be a niche title) has less obvious problems - Wikipedia says that was made weekly. Then again, that show has a lot of talking.
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ViggyNash posted:Its pretty piss poor when they're screwing with the frame rate extend a short scene and you are missing textures. We get it, now can you shut up about it. Your spamming page after page about the animation quality and getting mad about anime is becoming unbearable.
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ViggyNash posted:Its pretty piss poor when they're screwing with the frame rate extend a short scene and you are missing textures. Real talk: you should consider watching the rest of the show when the blu-rays come out. It might not fix every problem you have with the show, but they should be fixing a bunch of animation problems. I mean you bring up Shaft but were it not for the most recent episode of AoT having uncolored textures in a few spots, they'd easily be worse at this. There's a reason why some people frequently wait for Shaft series to get a blu-ray release before watching them; they have a track record of turning in outright unfinished work for the tv cut.
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ViggyNash posted:piss poor making GBS threads Go read the comic already jesus. Big Eren just stepped on a thing so hard it turned a different color. Actually don't read the comic so you don't muck up that thread too. Poniard fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jul 2, 2013 |
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The anime team is just trying to make a faithful representation of the manga. Just like the manga, the anime has fantastic action and titan-punching-titan scenes; and just like the manga, the characters in the anime occasionally have derpy faces and tiny hands and feet.
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JosephWongKS posted:The anime team is just trying to make a faithful representation of the manga. Just like the manga, the anime has fantastic action and titan-punching-titan scenes; and just like the manga, the characters in the anime occasionally have derpy faces and tiny hands and feet. So does the manga have consecutive multi-page spreads of different parts of the same landscape, as off-page characters have a conversation via disembodied speech bubbles?
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arhra posted:So does the manga have consecutive multi-page spreads of different parts of the same landscape, as off-page characters have a conversation via disembodied speech bubbles? When did this happen in the anime?
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Popo posted:they've put out SZS without the OP finished twice. Which is pretty funny, as both times what they eventually turned in was mostly stills with some limited animation sprinkled in around the edges. Not that I don't love them (finished and unfinished versions)  .
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Kild posted:When did this happen in the anime? OK, that may have been slight hyperbole, but there have been a bunch of conversations done while panning over stills (or with very minimal amounts of animation) in various episodes (not that that's unique to this show; it just stands out since the parts that are fully animated are generally pretty excellent). Not to mention the unfinished version of ep5 that some stations got.
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arhra posted:OK, that may have been slight hyperbole, but there have been a bunch of conversations done while panning over stills (or with very minimal amounts of animation) in various episodes (not that that's unique to this show; it just stands out since the parts that are fully animated are generally pretty excellent). I've only seen it in recaps/flashbacks. Like when they were covering the aftermath of this episode. e: Like this 
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Kild posted:I've only seen it in recaps/flashbacks. Like when they were covering the aftermath of this episode. There are occasions where they do it for non-flashback stuff, too - one that stood out to me as I was watching was when they were preparing to fight the titans in the storehouse so they could resupply, in ep8. There's an entire conversation they have, while on-screen it just pans over various different portions of a couple of stills of them walking down some stairs:  I probably wouldn't notice it so much if there was more variety in the locations, but they've spent most of the show now in one small city, and there's only so many slow pans across the rooftops you can see before they all start to look alike.
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argh recap episode, just.. just take a few weeks off or something. I can find something else to watch on Tuesdays for a bit. It's cool. Episode 13: Er, when did Marco die? Or are we not supposed to know that yet? Wait, let me rephrase that so the answer is less likely to be a spoiler. Was it SHOWN how he died and I missed it, or does he go from alive to "Note: Marco died on his way back to his home planet"?
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^^^ You didn't miss anything. It was like that in the manga as well.
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Zogundar posted:Episode 13: His death isn't a big enough deal to warrant knowing how or when it happened, especially since there were more important things happening. The only real significance of his death was its effect on Levi when he sees what's left of the body.
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ViggyNash posted:His death isn't a big enough deal to warrant knowing how or when it happened, especially since there were more important things happening. The only real significance of his death was its effect on Levi when he sees what's left of the body. You mean effect on Jean, right? Levi never saw the body in the anime or the manga.
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JosephWongKS posted:You mean effect on Jean, right? Levi never saw the body in the anime or the manga. Whoops, yea I meant him. I got the names mixed up.
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