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Flesh Forge posted:
FYI that is a parody review under the guise of the infamous Chuck Austen. http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-89-the-rise-and-fall-of-chuck-austen/ Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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MAX never really had a "manga" phase, it was that Marvel commissioned a bunch of "Mangaverse" stuff spearheaded by Ben (Ninja High School) Dunn and Kevin (Warrior Nun Aralea) Gunstone. It was one of a number of way-less-successful-than-Marvel-Knights attempts to outsource a mini-line. A bunch of poo poo came out in 2002, with a few one-shots and minis done by mainline Marvel people. Chuck Austen did one, and I hear the Adam Warren and Kaare Andrews ones aren't terrible. The Dunn/Gunstone stuff is exactly what you expect, with a lot of focus on Marvel's "big" ladies, plus a blonde lady Iron Man and of course Tigra. The Phoenix mini-series was supposed to be Mangaverse, but when the pages came in it was basically pornography. I want to say they shelved it for awhile, then eventually went "gently caress it, we've got a MAX imprint and we've already paid for these issues."
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Jun 30, 2013 17:23
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I think Warren did Livewires for one which was kinda neat. I do like his stuff overall.
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Jun 30, 2013 17:25
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Flesh Forge posted:
poo poo that is right up there with Ghost in the Shell creator Masamune Shirow's more recent stuff. Ugh. Speaking of him, those Phoenix covers do look fairly similar to the Dark Horse release of GitS:Man Machine Interface which came out roughly around that same time. I assume they were trying to grab the same audience.    e: timg-ing everything, since they are pictures of anime ladies in next-to-nothing.
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a kitten posted:poo poo that is right up there with Ghost in the Shell creator Masamune Shirow's more recent stuff. Ugh. I was just about to say that that dude looked like he was doing some bizarre amalgamation of 2000 era Masamune Shirow and Bruce Timm.
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Jun 30, 2013 17:33
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Look at her right hand. It's a sphere with fingers sticking out of it. Then I guess look at the rest of it, as it's all terrible.
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Well there's two things going on: there's the sexualized content, which is pretty debatable if the content is purposefully porn (which I have no problem with), and there's the problem that Ryan Kinnaird's art is JUST loving TERRIBLE ON NEARLY ALL LEVELS: A Bunch Of Stuff that Sucks, by Ryan Kinnaird If you see anything that looks good at first glance, note, he didn't actually do it (he sometimes recolors somebody else's much-better work). Those pages by Shirow, while they're sexualized anime stuff, at least they're well-crafted. e: well, better than the Kinnaird stuff, the Shirow pages above are compositionally terrible and there's some lovely low effort coloring going on but at least the anatomy is pretty good by anime standards well if you discount the boobs hanging upwards I guess gently caress anime ugh Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 17:38
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Gatts posted:I think Warren did Livewires for one which was kinda neat. I do like his stuff overall.
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Jun 30, 2013 17:38
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Teenage Fansub posted:FYI that is a parody review under the guise of the infamous Chuck Austen. Sigh I flubbed my Lore: Comics Writers roll. 
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Flesh Forge posted:Those pages by Shirow, while they're sexualized anime stuff, at least they're well-crafted. No, it is not good anatomy by anime standards, it is terrible anatomy. Look at them, they're all weird stretched out barbie-doll figures. An example of good anatomy and art in manga. Somewhat  EDIT: Really, A Bride's Story is incredible comic art. Look:  Holy poo poo! DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 17:48
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Flesh Forge posted:
Shirow has done good work, and possibly still has some more in him--though I'm increasingly doubtful about that. MMI for the most part isn't good work and is almost entirely about drawing the balloon-bodied and CGI-shaded characters in increasingly compromising positions and a nonsensical plot. But, go back a few years more and you can see some decent stuff. For example this cover for one of the original Ghost in the Shell manga volumes: 
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Jun 30, 2013 17:59
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DrSunshine posted:No, it is not good anatomy by anime standards, it is terrible anatomy. Look at them, they're all weird stretched out barbie-doll figures. While yes the proportions are pretty elongated, you can tell that's a stylistic choice which you can either like or not like, it isn't necessarily bad. There's clearly a sound skeleton and musculature that makes sense in that context (except for the dumb hanging-upwards boobs). I don't think those 11 head-ish proportions are a big deviation from a lot of anime I've seen either. I certainly do agree though that the Bride's Story pages you showed are a lot more realistic and to my tastes. The vast majority of comics (Western and manga) take some liberties somewhere or other with character proportions, I mean I don't see you griping about the eyes the size of billiards balls or the quarter inch mouths. e: please don't take this to mean I actually like Shirow's artwork, I hate it actually, it's anime at its ugliest, but at least it manifests a high degree of craftsmanship. Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Well heck, let's combine the two: Kinnaird draws the Major.  A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I was just about to say that that dude looked like he was doing some bizarre amalgamation of 2000 era Masamune Shirow and Bruce Timm. That actually pretty much nails it. e: aaaa He drew Yoko from Gurren Lagann, this dude has a knack for taking what are already overly fanservicey/cheesecake characters and making them even worse; that image search Flesh Forge linked is chock full of examples. a kitten fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 19:27
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I guess he saw a certain famous masterpiece by Greg Land and thought this would be a good homage: He's right up there with Liefeld when it comes to designing new characters:  GEDDIT FLADE HURHUR FLAAAAAAAAAADE GEDDIT Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Flesh Forge posted:I guess he saw a certain famous masterpiece by Greg Land and thought this would be a good homage: Even more than normal: And so I'm not just endlessly bitching about him, here's a couple of his older covers that I actually like. They are still very stylized and aren't without their problems, but I like them a lot more than the overly glossy, overstuffed sausage look of his newer work.   The anatomy is handled better and the colors are way nicer. I do tend to not be a fan of digital coloring in general though.
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a kitten posted:Hey Shirow did one of those too! I still like his stuff but he's an old crazy guy now who does whatever He wants, and what he wants is overstimulated oily transhumanist pornography.
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During that failed Marvel foray into amerimanga, one of the never-realised projects was... BMX Ghost Rider by Brandon Graham (completely unknown back then, fresh from porn comics) radical! The remnants of the manga boom turned up well: all those embarassing Marvel projects are forgotten, Tokyopop is destroyed, but talented artists still work: Warren, Graham, Stokoe, Corey Lewis, Ross Campbell, Becky Cloonan, O'Malley, Takeshi Miyazawa...
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Mr. Squishy posted:Look at her right hand. It's a sphere with fingers sticking out of it. Then I guess look at the rest of it, as it's all terrible. It's her fashion sense that's a crime.
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I actually think the Kinnaird guy has some talent, but it's being overshadowed by all the hypersexualization.
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If he has any talent, it seems to be "drawing jelly women with needle noses and faces made out of eyeliner" and not much else. I really hate that he spends 90% of his work rendering and shading the tits and rear end, literally, and almost nothing on faces. Because really nobody looks at faces amirite! It isn't even the sexualization of the images, which - I'll go ahead and confess - I secretly like, in general. And I like porn too. (please don't kill me.) It's the gross mismatch between the low effort put into faces and high effort on T&A. Also that dumb loving anime tradition of the needle nose. Now that I think about it, that's one of the things that I hate so much about Greg Land's work too, although obviously this is a different flavor of it - at least Kinnaird's stuff isn't a straight up photo manipulation or a photo tracing. e: Really nearly all of his stuff looks like the kind of bullshit you'd find on random deviantart or hentaifactory pages. Here's a perfect example: Everything from the neck down has a nice sense of volume conveyed by the shading. Even the hair looks like it has depth, which is unusual with this guy. But ... the face. gently caress it's so flat. Not to mention needlenose looks dumb as gently caress when dead center angle like this. The anatomy isn't even that bad, although the breasts are solidly in "Skyrim Nexus mod" territory. But what's wrong with your faaaaace 
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Flesh Forge posted:He's right up there with Liefeld when it comes to designing new characters: Hahaha a healing factor that heals his disfigured face wrong? A background as a Here, for content, I always love the title pages of the Flash's comics these days. Here's #21's: 
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Mister Roboto posted:I actually think the Kinnaird guy has some talent, but it's being overshadowed by all the hypersexualization. I think similarly. He's an okay artist but porny.
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Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Jul 2, 2013 |
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Wait, is Kannaird the guy who did that practically-porn comic with the anthropomorphized consoles? Edit: Ha, he is. I remember it being mocked in some thread here in the past. Gaze into the abyss: 
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Enough about the faces, dude draws the weirdest lumps of flesh-feet.
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Those are hooves.
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It's weird because Adam Warren does a lot of the same things Kannaird does but it just works. Probably because Warren is a thousand times a better storyteller and can draw more than boobs and butts. I guess he also has better taste in colorists and is a much better inker.
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Teenage Fansub posted:
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Teenage Fansub posted:
He's also seriously upped his game since Midnight Nation and Supreme Power.
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Anyone got a good picture of the new look for Ms.Marvel in Marvel Now?
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Zzulu posted:Anyone got a good picture of the new look for Ms.Marvel in Marvel Now?   It's tough to get a good image with her helmet up.
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Or is it Sputnik posted:Dude was SO good 20 years ago, when he didn't crosshatch everything so everyone looks super old. I don't know if it's because his then-inker Cam Smith said "No, gently caress your lines" but go read some 1992 Incredible Hulk or the PAD Supergirl series and you almost cannot believe it's the same guy. What does PAD mean in this context? Google is mostly mousepads.
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Wendell posted:What does PAD mean in this context? Google is mostly mousepads. Peter Allen David http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_David
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Waterhaul posted:
I love that costume design a whole bunch, especially in the second pic. 
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Waterhaul posted:
That's because the helmet looks awful.
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:It's weird because Adam Warren does a lot of the same things Kannaird does but it just works. Probably because Warren is a thousand times a better storyteller and can draw more than boobs and butts. Interesting you should mention this as Kinnaird did some of the pages of one of the Empowered one-shots.
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I love the new Ms.Marvel redesign. The short hair and costume fits a military persona so much better Some artists draw it really well while others kind of struggle but overall it's really cool. She reminds me more of Starbuck from the new BSG series now
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The_Other posted:Interesting you should mention this as Kinnaird did some of the pages of one of the Empowered one-shots. It's actually not too bad. Probably because he doesn't have to draw anything except Emp, a robot guy, and a bunch of naked angel/devil women. Not even any backgrounds since the whole book is a chase scene so he just has ANIME ACTION LINES. I assume Warren at least helped out with the layouts, if not just thumbnailed the whole thing. It's still not great since it doesn't look like he can draw any expressions beyond "smile, grimace, and frown" and doesn't really have any ability to draw body language which makes everyone look really stiff and awkward. But it serves the story well enough. I guess I'd rather get an ugly Empowered one shot a few times a year, than no Empowered at all between volumes.
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Waterhaul posted:
Wow, that looks awesome. I might have to scrap up some cash and start reading that series.
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Trast posted:Wow, that looks awesome. I might have to scrap up some cash and start reading that series. You better. They cancelled Sif, they cancelled Red She-Hulk, and I'd be damned if I see them cancel Captain Marvel based on low sales. Everyone must buy Captain Marvel.
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