grendelspov posted:

It's a seat but not a bench. It would be the last seat filled and the cask is due north relative to the seat

-snip-

Who knows if the seating was the same in the 80's or if it has been expanded?

Urban Smurf posted:

Cask 9 Vancouver, Canada (crazy theory 7/2/13)

Typh posted:

This would be interesting, but I'm almost certain that blurry picture is just a lamp with legs, not legeater legs. Are you certain? Looking forward to pictures.

Braincloud posted:

I'm just going to leave this here - this would be the Columbia Tower downtown Seattle (I'm looking at it right now out my window...)



Maybe those are rain drops falling on the picture/tower?

Wikipedia posted:

Construction of this building began in 1982 and finished in 1985.

TheLastManStanding posted:

Urban Smurf posted:

It's good to point out those options. The last line is pointing to the Girl in Wetsuit and it seems to me it's saying we should have line of sight on her when we dig or before we count steps. The checkerboards draw me in the most because the shoulders bring me in to the shelter. I have the pet theory that the first line rolls into the find-spot somehow and "in the shadow" fits best with a shelter.

Pseudohog posted:

I posted an idea about the 'hard words' line a few pages back, but it was just before a lengthy argument so it might have gotten passed over. Reposting it while people are still on the subject.


Here's a random off-the-wall suggestion - could this possibly be referring to Noah Webster, of the dictionary? That's somewhere you'd find hard words, and as far as I can tell from some brief research, during the 80s Webster's looks to have been published in three volumes (from Wikipedia - "Following the purchase of Merriam-Webster by Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. in 1964, a three-volume version was issued for many years as a supplement to the encyclopaedia.")

Webster moved to New York in 1793 - another chunk from Wikipedia:


There's a Webster Hall in Manhattan, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with him except the name.

No idea if this is of any use to anyone, but it might be a new angle to think about!

quote:

Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.

Urban Smurf posted:

Cask 9 Vancouver, Canada (crazy theory 7/2/13)

I explored some of the visuals to this in my previous cask 9 posts. Siwash Rock looks like the collar outline. I haven't found an exact match, but the lines inside the collar area that outline his neck look like they fit the main road pipeline and the small part that branches into the parking lot on the way to the Miniature railway. His hands are together and may be indicating prayer. The Trail and Shore book of poems and history on Stanley Park describes the custom of "the morning's sermon" as the reference for playing checkers on Sundays since the park had a rule allowing no other games to be played on Sundays. He has three distinct checkered areas on his robe and there are exactly three giant checkerboards. His shoulders fit the perspective of looking at the shelter above the checkerboards and bleachers as seen from the roadway. I'd call that a 99% match. I'm currently feeling sure of the Stanley Park location but I have to say I can't see where exactly to stand and which direction to count steps to the spot. I'm confused on whether "east steps" are different than "steps east", since in a different context, such as when talking about wind direction, an "east wind" is actually blowing in west.



Verse 10:

It looks like Preiss simply found a way to put as many tourist markers from the map into his image and verse. I scanned my 1976 map of Stanley Park, not much has changed, except I don't think current maps mention the checkerboards( http://s11.photobucket.com/user/erexere/media/1976MapSP.jpg.html ).



In the shadow
In the shadows, poem by Pauline Johnson, Native Indian poet whom has the only gravestone in Stanley Park.

Of the grey giant
The Hollow Tree, distinctive for being the oldest and biggest tree, although it's a mere shadow of it's former self.

Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path
Lumberman's Arch, a section of tree extends over a path smaller than the main path which circles around Stanley Park.

In summer
You'll often hear a whirring sound
Miniature Train, operates only in the summer and goes “around in circles”.

Cars abound
Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Harding Monument, a president's speech is honored by Kiwanis (native named organization: “[Harding] spoke words that are worthy of record in lasting granite.” (see page 73 for full quote)

Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
Nine O'Clock Gun, = 18 steps+

From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man's soil
Checkerboards, checkerboards (one in the center with two branching off at angles forming a V). The pieces for these boards are kept in a nearby storage closet and were made from cross sections of old-fashioned irrigation pipe made of wood, and filled with resin. Like roots are for bringing water and nutrients from the soil to feed plantlife, these pieces were repurposed from pipes used to move water.

Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.
Girl in Wetsuit Gaze at bronze statue on a small isle of rock to the north of Stanley Park. Unveiled in 1972, she was inspired by the famous Dutch Copenhagen mermaid and commissioned by Douglas Brown. In the Chicago example, the first letter hints were attached to minor elements of the landscape, Mozart and Beethoven etched into a wall, and Lincoln's statue. The Girl in Wetsuit (Bikini) is similar to the Chicago setup. The plaque for this landmark doesn't have the name of Douglas Brown on it. The only way I think a person would know about Douglas Brown is if they went to the Vancouver Maritime Museum where sits the Gateway to the Northwest Passage (square shaped sculpture that fits around the legeater). There a person might come across the fact that the Vancouver Harbor Improvements Society was created by Douglas Brown for the purpose of making the Girl in Wetsuit sculpture.

Maybe this area around the checkerboards fits the rough shape of the hands turned upside down (not flipped, just turn your book upside down, the line along the forefinger looks unnatural,

Nocheez posted:

The whole "Isle of B" being the Girl in the Wetsuit sounds like a stretch to me. Who would call that the Isle of B?

Cosmik Debris posted:

Also my girlfriend is pretty interested in the Roanoke island puzzle and I think we're gonna go there and check out the elizabethan gardens when we have some time off week after next.

Konar posted:

This is an elaborate troll right? Your whole presence in this thread?

Nocheez posted:

The whole "Isle of B" being the Girl in the Wetsuit sounds like a stretch to me. Who would call that the Isle of B?

fishtobaskets posted:

Cask 12
While I had originally discounted Battery Park because of the timing problem with the Native American museum, it seems like there are plenty of other reasonable clues that point there.

I think the East Coast memorial may have been mentioned before. It was installed in 1963.

It has this:

which has a reasonable similarity to our bird/gull

and also these:

which bear a decent likeness to the monolith figure due to the inset middle portion.

e: actually, looking closely at the painting again, both of those resemblances are pretty flimsy.

blurradial posted:

I want to blow everyone's minds for a moment, if you don't mind. My sentimental favorite for winner of a southern foot to start digging in Milwaukee is in Juneau Park. My personal wild fantasy is that "You'll see a letter from the country of wonderstone's hearth" refers to this:


back-leif by Blur Radial, on Flickr

Which are runic letters from Scandavia, where Leif Ericson was born. OK, I'll shut up about him now.

grendelspov posted:

Cask #3

xie posted:

Ha, that exact statue sits in Charlesgate Park in boston.


edit: except ours is in a little boat

The Monkey Man posted:

I didn't notice anything that might be relevant in that list of Battery Park monuments, but I did see this spiral and these weird squares on Google Maps, and I don't think they were in the list of monuments. Does anyone have any idea what they are?

blurradial posted:

I want to blow everyone's minds for a moment, if you don't mind.

Which are runic letters from Scandavia, where Leif Ericson was born. OK, I'll shut up about him now.

quote:

In the shadow
Of the grey giant

quote:

Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path

quote:

In summer
You'll often hear a whirring sound

quote:

Cars abound

quote:

Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native

quote:

The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.

quote:

Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man's soil
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.

Cosmik Debris posted:

A plausible theory

Very Nice Eraser posted:

Double-edit: I don't see any stained glass on the shrine in any GIS results?

xie posted:

Ha, that exact statue sits in Charlesgate Park in boston.


edit: except ours is in a little boat

Strongylocentrotus posted:

Nope, not a seat. The Lost Colony amphitheater underwent renovation in 1996-1997 during which its wooden benches were replaced with the fold-down seats visible in the picture you posted. (source) So during Preiss' time, there would have been no seats, only rows of benches.

joshtothemaxx posted:

I don't know that I've said it here, but I think it is quite clear based on all we have inferred that the Roanoke Island cask is around the theater somewhere. I am absolutely unconvinced by the bench theory. I too am hoping to find some time this summer to go check it out, but I really don't know that I'll be able to.

edit: That breastplate section looks nothing like the seating area though.