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YorexTheMad
Apr 16, 2007
OBAMA IS A FALSE MESSIAH

ABANDON ALL HOPE
Anyone have the "I refuse your plot to Make a Friend" picture?

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MikeC
Jul 19, 2004
BITCH ASS NARC
Quick question what exactly does the Old Gods DLC give you besides the stuff they would have already put in the patch? I read the feature list and it mentioned some of that stuff was patched in the main game as well that you get even without the DLC.

I am thinking of another play through and want to know if the DLC is worth it if I don't intend on playing the Pagans.

edit: appreciate the answer jb7

MikeC fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jul 4, 2013

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

YorexTheMad posted:

Anyone have the "I refuse your plot to Make a Friend" picture?

http://i.imgur.com/EHC3lD0.png

Well, this is the one that was posted recently; just the popup itself, rather than a full-screen image.

Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jul 4, 2013

jzilla
Apr 13, 2007

MikeC posted:

Quick question what exactly does the Old Gods DLC give you besides the stuff they would have already put in the patch? I read the feature list and it mentioned some of that stuff was patched in the main game as well that you get even without the DLC.

I am thinking of another play through and want to know if the DLC is worth it if I don't intend on playing the Pagans.

Unless you want to play as pagans or want to start at 867, there is no reason to buy the DLC.

Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird
I just realized my Norse Doge of Venice is; homosexual, gluttonous, lustful, is busy sacking the Mediterranean, plotting to have people murdered to claim their titles, and has a mercenary army busy conquering Ireland.

I have created Baron Duke Harkonnen.
Unfortunately, it may be a bit late to change my coat of arms...

Honestly, with the way people play this game, I probably should just scrap this game and start over again as the Greek Norse Patrician Vladimir Harkonnen of Venice, swear fealty to the Byzantine Emperor, and plot, murder, and pillage my heir's way to the top.
You have to actually be Greek to do the horrible castrating and blinding thing, right? Not just be involved in Byzantine politics?

Caufman
May 7, 2007

Thesoldier posted:

GoT mod question:
Aegon I killed my father when he tried to fight his dragon during the conquest of The Reach. I am now of age, usurped The Reach, and have defeated the iron throne. During a battle, I killed his dragon, and he yielded in combat.

I am now the King of Westeros. Do I execute Aegon, banish him to the wall, or forgive him?
If I forgive him, he still is a powerful commander as the High Lord of Dragonstone. I could use his abilities to take The North and Dorne.

Gods and men alike will remember if you forgive your father's killer.

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
WELP. In my file a Zoroastrian adventurer reclaimed Persia somehow.

SpaceViking
Sep 2, 2011

Who put the stars in the sky? Coyote will say he did it himself, and it is not a lie.

Veryslightlymad posted:

WELP. In my file a Zoroastrian adventurer reclaimed Persia somehow.

He is the Saoshyant the world deserves.

I DID have a game one time where the last of the Karlings became an adventurer and tried to invade my lands, but I beat him and converted him to Islam instead.

Spiderfist Island
Feb 19, 2011

Veryslightlymad posted:

WELP. In my file a Zoroastrian adventurer reclaimed Persia somehow.

:stare: Wanna meet that conqueror.

The closest thing to that kind of upset in my current game is that the Empress of Eastern Rome converted to Islam and married the Caliph, which caused the Second Crusade to be for Greece. Pisa won the entire kingdom and so Italian merchant republics control the remnants of the Greek empire.

Is there any way to suggest or direct where Crusades/Jihad/Great Holy Wars go? The High Priest of the Romuvan Church declared a holy war for Poland and I'm not getting Lithuania involved in that kind of clusterfuck.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the name Butankas is now the Baltic equivalent to Mohammed. Playing as him (Ruler designer, fairly average aside from Martial) I managed to unite all of Lithuania, seize a minor enclave in Pomerania, sack Rome twice, and was personally responsible for 9/10 burning churches in the 11th and 12th Centuries. In the twilight years of his life he managed to reform the Romuvan faith before dying at the age of 83 while moving troops to invade Belarus. His final score was in the 8500 range, which is the best I've ever done with a single character.

Spiderfist Island fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jul 4, 2013

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Crusades no, but for Muslims you can be the head of your own religion, which allows you to declare Jihad. I assume Pagans work similarly.

Spiderfist Island
Feb 19, 2011

RagnarokAngel posted:

Crusades no, but for Muslims you can be the head of your own religion, which allows you to declare Jihad. I assume Pagans work similarly.

The Reformed Norse get a Fylkir which works like the Caliph does, but the rest get Duchy-level high priests to act as their head. My Tree Pope is a loving idiot and he's going to ruin our moral authority :(

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT
Speaking of (or sort of speaking of), it looks like the muslim thing of secular leaders being able to hold temples got exported to the religions.txt file, so it could be expanded to religions where such a thing is plausible.

Like the Norse, given the implication of the Fylkirate.

HenessyHero
Mar 4, 2008

"I thought we had something, Shepard. Something real."
:qq:

Spiderfist Island posted:

The Reformed Norse get a Fylkir which works like the Caliph does, but the rest get Duchy-level high priests to act as their head. My Tree Pope is a loving idiot and he's going to ruin our moral authority :(

I think if those duchy-level priests manage to go independent, they count as much higher. In my first practice game I accidentally set up a pagan papacy and they wouldn't vassalize back to me even though they only had a few counties at the time and I was a king. The refusal message I was getting stated that high ranked nobles can't become vassals of lower ranked nobles.

Dezztroy
Dec 28, 2012
How does the tribal invasion CB work? I was told the Magyars get access to it, but I saw no way to use it. Do I need to reform Tengri or something first?

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

I'm Byzantine Emperor and my lovely wife gave me twin sons. How does the game decide which of them becomes the actual successor? On birth Leo was the heir, but a year later it's treating Ioannes as the heir.

Tehan
Jan 19, 2011

Rockopolis posted:

Honestly, with the way people play this game, I probably should just scrap this game and start over again as the Greek Norse Patrician Vladimir Harkonnen of Venice, swear fealty to the Byzantine Emperor, and plot, murder, and pillage my heir's way to the top.

Tried that once, can't pillage unless your liege is of a religion that allows pillaging.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

I think I might have found a bug in the marriage AI.

While Queens in enatic/enatic-cog queendoms will see to it that their daughters are married Matrilineally, THEIR daughters (Even the ones straight in the line of succession) in turn WON'T, so you end up with particularly long lived queens having their stuff inherited out of the family eventually. Not to mention all the duchies and stuff :argh:


Also, Muslim Polish Ruthenia and Aztec NorwayFinland :iia:

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





Are Mongols allowed to pillage? Aztecs can't. I think it would be funny to have a giant death stack and just do nothing but pillaging.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Good news folks, you can play Sengoku again in CK2 of ye Olde Gods.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82883139/sengoku108.7z

Extract to My Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod.

Edit: I even inverted the terrain lighting thingy!

Riso fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jul 4, 2013

Barent
Jun 15, 2007

Never die in vain.
I just started playing this and I'm pretty new, I've only got a decent handle on things work. I've tried the 1066 start for Iceland as king about 3 times now, but Norway always declares war on me and takes my poo poo with like 8000 troops I can do nothing about. What can I do to stop him from declaring war?

Kanthulhu
Apr 8, 2009
NO ONE SPOIL GAME OF THRONES FOR ME!

IF SOMEONE TELLS ME THAT OBERYN MARTELL AND THE MOUNTAIN DIE THIS SEASON, I'M GOING TO BE PISSED.

BUT NOT HALF AS PISSED AS I'D BE IF SOMEONE WERE TO SPOIL VARYS KILLING A LANISTER!!!


(Dany shits in a field)

Barent posted:

I just started playing this and I'm pretty new, I've only got a decent handle on things work. I've tried the 1066 start for Iceland as king about 3 times now, but Norway always declares war on me and takes my poo poo with like 8000 troops I can do nothing about. What can I do to stop him from declaring war?

Play as someone stronger than Iceland.

Thanqol
Feb 15, 2012

because our character has the 'poet' trait, this update shall be told in the format of a rap battle.
I have had a strange thought for a LP I may come back to when my schedule frees up a bit.

Could someone explain to me in as much detail as possible how CK2 multiplayer works? In theory, in technical setup, and in practise.

Pyromancer
Apr 29, 2011

This man must look upon the fire, smell of it, warm his hands by it, stare into its heart

Tehan posted:

Tried that once, can't pillage unless your liege is of a religion that allows pillaging.

He'll also keep bugging you to convert and put the court chaplain on your county, resulting in your courtiers, relatives and council converting all the time. Also if you ever get thrown in his prison you'll risk having all your poo poo revoked.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

Barent posted:

I just started playing this and I'm pretty new, I've only got a decent handle on things work. I've tried the 1066 start for Iceland as king about 3 times now, but Norway always declares war on me and takes my poo poo with like 8000 troops I can do nothing about. What can I do to stop him from declaring war?

You could swear fealty to Norway at start since you're de jure part of it, and expand into Ireland while undermining the kingdom through politics in preparation for your eventual crowning as the King of Ireland.

Korwin
Jan 24, 2011
Why am I not able to bookmark this thread?
Do I need to post here?

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Korwin posted:

Why am I not able to bookmark this thread?
Do I need to post here?

This thread is not a de jure part of your kingdom; you need to vassalize the OP. :v:

Korwin
Jan 24, 2011

Comrade Koba posted:

This thread is not a de jure part of your kingdom; you need to vassalize the OP. :v:

Found it finally, the UI changed...

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
Sonendar Highlights
The District of the Willows



The Duchy of the Willows underwent a major change after the succession of Duke Lucas Tabb, who died leaving the ducal seat unoccupied, about a hundred years ago. During his life, Duke Tabb had been a gentle and rather hands-offish lord, who granted his peasant vassals a large degree of freedom to run their own affairs, preferring instead to spend most of his time inside his castle in the company of his books. He died without an heir. With Thumbrica left in a state of chaos after the slaying of most of its ruling dynasty at Pelican Harbor during the Battle of Five Kings, the Kingdom had other things to worry about than the state of a small border province. Tired of excessive war taxation and remembering the freedom they had under the rule of Lucas Tabb, the burghers of Kenferwick revolted and declared the creation of a free and independent republic.

The Little Revolution, as it would later be called, quickly spread to the prosperous neighboring province of Safferwick, and inspired a similar revolt in the nearby county of Sallowhall, who immediately swore allegiance to the fledgling republic. The revolt did not spread much further than that, but for the next twenty-odd years, the Republic of The Willows would govern itself free of the yoke of nobility. Towards the end of this brief period of independence, the newly-formed Kingdom of Manxwall would consolidate its power, and the burghers suspected that it would soon have designs on reconquering the rebellious provinces.

They would find an ally in the nearby Pawxatuck Confederacy. For as long as anyone could remember, the Ockchaw peoples had lived in a state not dissimilar to that of a Republic, with a large degree of respect for the autonomy of small states. With the promise that their freedoms would be preserved the Republic of the Willows swore allegiance to the Pawxatuck Confederacy, seeking protection from the ravening greed of the nobles who looked at the prosperous merchant republic with envy.

As the sole republic on Sonendar, you will have a great deal of freedom in controlling naval trade. With far more of the map exposed to the sea than vanilla CK2, Merchant Republics will have far more opportunities than they do in Europe. However, this freedom comes at an expense. The Republic of the Willows will almost certainly come under contention from the Kingdom of Manxwall as Manxwall attempts to reestablish the ancient borders of Thumbrica. As a merchant vassal of the Pawxatuck Confederacy, you won't have the ability to vote in their elections, so your fate will ultimately rest on the prudence and skill of the Great Gaffer of Pawxatuck. Furthermore, you will be in competition with the Reaper realms and all of the myriads of small Nordic raiders. You also have a disadvantage in starting off with just a single seaside province, limiting your naval mobility.

Will a small Merchant Republic be able to survive in this contentious and war-torn ocean world?

Desolation Island



Claggmure Stormbitten, formerly captain of Breakwater Cove, and his family of seven children were banished to the icy waste of Desolation Island not long after he converted to the Faith of the Drowned Maiden. This is because the other pirates thought it was rather silly for a grown man and his family to spend most of their time chanting the Song of the Sea and praying to a driftwood statue of a sea nymph, rather than going out killing and plundering as was the way of the Reaver. Things finally came to a head when his idiot son Clangmar stumbled drunkenly out of a tavern at Lostman's Bounty and shouted, in full view of Pirate Queen Janessa Mancrusher, who was being escorted to her twelfth birthday party, that: "I don't care what they say - I'm not gonna follow a twelve year-old girl!"

Pirate Queen Janessa took offense at this and, grabbing a spare pegleg, proceeded to bash out Clangmar's front teeth for the insult to her dignity, and from then on he was known as "Clangmar No-Teeth". (Later that day Janessa would receive a pony for a birthday present). Queen Janessa had thought to execute all of them for insubordination, but decided to maroon them on Desolation Island instead, after a gentler relative managed to convince her that banishment would be a far worse fate.

Rejected Fate
Aug 5, 2011

Does anyone think that the Umayyads should be Andalusian at start date?

Iberia always seems to become filled with Bedouin arabs. Which seems... unlikely.

Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

Starting off as an adventuring German count, I managed to conquer and unify enough of the Baltics to proclaim myself King of Terra Mariana (Livonia, basically-- this is from the Project Balance/SWMH mod), and then expanded my military so that I could throw more men at wars. Then, finally, in 1162 I declared war on the heathen Prussians and marched my 7k stack of men to battle against their 4k stack of men. And then lost the battle. I then took out a loan to cover maintenance costs, hired the Knights Templar, and marched against the depleted Prussians again with my new 6k stack against their 2k. And lost again. And got my king captured.

Now I'm 400 ducats in debt, have a loan due, and just lot a holy war against some goddamn Baltic tribesmen. My character is known as 'the Wise'. :suicide:

e: My entire retinue was just destroyed in a viking raid. How the hell is Angermanland still an independent Norse county in the 12th century?
e2: 1170 and I've payed off the 220d. loan without any revolts in the interim! Bless these vassals, they're so good except when I suddenly realize that they're 50-year-old childless duchesses and their heir is the King of France

Ofaloaf fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jul 4, 2013

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Anyone know what exactly makes someone elgibile for me to nominate in the elective mode? It seems a bit random.

I know that if I grant someone of my dynasty a county under my control, they usually get eligible to be elected, so it's not much of a problem, but still.

FairyNuff
Jan 22, 2012

What is the a minimum age on prisoners able to be sacrificed at a blot?

I had a couple of imprisoned children but I couldn't sacrifice them.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Antti posted:

I'm Byzantine Emperor and my lovely wife gave me twin sons. How does the game decide which of them becomes the actual successor? On birth Leo was the heir, but a year later it's treating Ioannes as the heir.

The heir to the Byzantine Empire has to be "born in the purple," meaning that his mother gave birth to him after you took the throne. If you had a child born before you became emperor he will end up taking a back seat to his subsequent brothers because his claim won't be as legitimate due to the circumstances of his early birth. You can give your oldest child a title that will turn him into your heir, bypassing that "born in the purple" business, but I forget what it is called.

Edit: oh, they were twins! I have no idea then. Sometimes women can get pregnant by two men at the same time, so maybe one was born a few days before you became emperor?

Hot Dog Day #82 fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jul 4, 2013

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

Geokinesis posted:

What is the a minimum age on prisoners able to be sacrificed at a blot?

I had a couple of imprisoned children but I couldn't sacrifice them.

Pretty sure it's 16.

Antinumeric
Nov 27, 2010

BoxGiraffe
Dr. Sunshine, I'm trying to play Sonendar but there appears to be an invisible event firing constantly that changes the succession law. This means all of my vassals have upset by succession law change reaching the -3000's. I'm playing as the Duchy of the Bow atm. Any ideas where I can find and delete this event?

edit: think I've found it. I'm just deleting the aaqiut file for the moment.

Antinumeric fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jul 4, 2013

Cycloneman
Feb 1, 2009
ASK ME ABOUT
SISTER FUCKING

Rejected Fate posted:

Does anyone think that the Umayyads should be Andalusian at start date?

Iberia always seems to become filled with Bedouin arabs. Which seems... unlikely.
The historical Umayyad Emirate/Caliphate was/is fairly notorious for being an Arab supremacist society which treated non-Arab Muslims as second-class citizens. Unfortunately, the CK2 system lacks a way of modeling separatism/supremacism/assimilationism.

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Dezztroy posted:

How does the tribal invasion CB work? I was told the Magyars get access to it, but I saw no way to use it. Do I need to reform Tengri or something first?

code:
	can_use_title = {
		ROOT = {
			OR = {
				AND = {
					independent = yes
					OR = {
						religion_group = pagan_group
						AND = {
							OR = {
								has_horde_culture = yes
								has_character_flag = horde_invader
							}
							NOT = { religion_group = christian }
						}
					}
					OR = {
						culture_group = altaic
						culture_group = magyar
						culture_group = mesoamerican
					}
					higher_tier_than = COUNT
					OR = {
						has_horde_culture = yes
						has_character_flag = horde_invader
						FROM = {
							NOT = { religion_group = pagan_group } # Should subjugate these instead
						}
					}
				}
				
				AND = {
					mercenary = yes
					NOT = {
						num_of_titles = 2
					}
				}
			}
		}
		
		ROOT = {
			NOT = { is_liege_or_above = FROM }
		}
	}
	
If we step through that, it has the following requirements:


  • You must be Independent
  • You must be either (Horde Culture (Aztecs/Mongols) and non-Christian) or Pagan
  • You must be one of the three culture groups (Altaic, Magyar, Mesoamerican)
  • You must be a Duke or higher
  • Your target must be either Horde Culture (Aztecs/Mongols) or non-Pagan
  • Your target can't be your liege

There is also the possibility for Mercanary Bands to use it if they don't have at least 2 titles, but since it's still impossible to play them that won't matter for you.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Thanqol posted:

I have had a strange thought for a LP I may come back to when my schedule frees up a bit.

Could someone explain to me in as much detail as possible how CK2 multiplayer works? In theory, in technical setup, and in practise.

Well in theory it works just like single player, except you have more players with the exception that only the host can change the speed.

Setting up is relativity easy the host just needs to open the ports, and then either create a multiplayer game to be joined by direct IP, or log in to the metaserver and start one that way.

In practice how ever it completely changes the dynamic of the game, having human players means that some avenues of diplomacy which would be blocked due to opinion matters are wide open between human players so you can marry your daughter matrilinarly to the second son of a landed noble (if the player mis-clicks) or educate your heir with that genius with 20s straight down the board in the court of Nubia, or have your heir decide fighting for the Byzantine emperor is too risky and spend his service with the vanagarian guard with his wife in her father court in Timbuktu.
You have to get used to playing at 2 or three speed though, unless you get lucky or are playing with one or two people in the same country as yourself. And get used to the game not pausing for event pop ups, even though you can pause when ever you like doing it too much for too long tends to irritate people as you'd expect.

One last ting voice coms are almost certainly required, the messaging system is robust and allows messages to be sent to specific people or groups, friends and enemies but windows can tend to cover the message and for general chat voice works best any way, using the game messages, or steam chat for secretive plotting and private chat.

FairyNuff
Jan 22, 2012

JGBeagle posted:

Pretty sure it's 16.

:argh:

The entire population of my prison is children. Guess they'll just have to grow up in a dungeon and be executed once they become adults.

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HenessyHero
Mar 4, 2008

"I thought we had something, Shepard. Something real."
:qq:
Good lord I love blots, I think I expanded my raiding just to see how many unique taunts there were for all the religions of the world.

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