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I could be wrong, but I think this has been on their website for a while. Either way, it's quite the fib.
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I swear I heard them saying something at least similar months ago.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:Yeah I don't think Holyday has much of a chance either. That's a strong Liberal riding provincially, and frankly he's 71. I don't think he's going to have the energy around him to change the status quo. Not that strong. In the last two elections, it's been a bit more Liberals, (+13% over the OLP provincial result in 2011, +4% in 2007), but the OLP has tended to underperform a bit in the riding (-2% in 2003, -4% in 1999, -4% in 1995). The CPC managed to wrangle this seat away from a sitting LPC party leader in 2011. You've got a high-profile city councillor who will have the full backing of the Ford machine in the Fords' backyard. In a low-turnout August election, that'll matter. The OLP aren't safe here.
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Yeah, it's not new by any means and is this weird thing where they're claiming every accomplishment of every single predecessor right-wing party and ignoring the faults and mistakes of those same. It's disingenuous to say the least, and seemed to be part of some weird strategy last year where Harper tried to imply the NDP is the exact same party as the CCF when saying something like "the NDP did not once vote in support of the war against Hitler", neverminding the NDP didn't exist until 1961.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Not that strong. In the last two elections, it's been a bit more Liberals, (+13% over the OLP provincial result in 2011, +4% in 2007), but the OLP has tended to underperform a bit in the riding (-2% in 2003, -4% in 1999, -4% in 1995). The CPC managed to wrangle this seat away from a sitting LPC party leader in 2011. I wouldn't put too much weight in the fact the CPC was able to wrangle this seat from Igniateff. He wasn't exactly a successful politician, if you ask me. The OLP candidate Peter Milzcyn has been involved in politics in the riding going back to the early 1990's and is possibly as far on the right politically as Doug Holyday (who used to be mayor of Etobicoke if memory serves). They both sit on Rob Ford's executive committee, oddly enough. Anyways, lots of history in this race and you're right it probably isn't that safe a Liberal seat. I'm curious to see if his affiliations with Rob Ford will hurt or help him. I can't forget Holyday's infamous quote about downtown Toronto, "I certainly think it’s really not the ideal place that people might want to raise their families." That pissed me off to no end. I suspect he's one bad day away from being Clint Eastwood, yelling at an empty chair and calling it a political statement.
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less than three posted:I swear I heard them saying something at least similar months ago. This is the first time i recall seeing it, if its old news though then I apologize.
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less than three posted:I swear I heard them saying something at least similar months ago. You are correct. I remember this quite some time ago. Nothing new.
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Jul 5, 2013 00:12
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blackswordca posted:This is the first time i recall seeing it, if its old news though then I apologize. No worries. It looks like they put up a new page on their website about it so people noticed (again.) Pretty sure they had another "Canada's Founding Party" thing before. I don't have the exact news article/page, but here's an example of us making fun of it in the last thread.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-planned-to-repay-duffy-from-party-funds-but-balked-at-cost-files-show/article13012003/ Conservatives planned to repay Duffy from party funds, but balked at cost, files show
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crowoutofcontext posted:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-planned-to-repay-duffy-from-party-funds-but-balked-at-cost-files-show/article13012003/  Jesus Christ, how bad is the real story when what they're admitting is a blatant conspiracy to obstruct justice? Also basically confirms all the earlier speculation about the real plan to pay Duffy out of the kitty and puts the lie to the Question period defence that there were no documents or agreements.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Not that strong. In the last two elections, it's been a bit more Liberals, (+13% over the OLP provincial result in 2011, +4% in 2007), but the OLP has tended to underperform a bit in the riding (-2% in 2003, -4% in 1999, -4% in 1995). The CPC managed to wrangle this seat away from a sitting LPC party leader in 2011. To be fair the Conservatives didn't so much wrangle the riding away as they fell face first into it after Ignatieff performed a disappearing act. Their campaign was just as awful as his in the riding. Also I want to add that Southern Etobicoke isn't really the Ford's backyard. Sure we voted for him (don't remind me) but as the years went on he's become less and less popular down here and I don't think the Ford name does much for Holyday in his area. I'm still pretty convinced that the OLP has this seat, but it's politics so anything can happen.
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crowoutofcontext posted:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-planned-to-repay-duffy-from-party-funds-but-balked-at-cost-files-show/article13012003/ Should be pointed out that Marjory Lebreton and James Moore are both huge lying sacks of poo poo since they both trotted out the Wright acted alone defence. I guess they were just desperate to keep a lid on those details while QP was still live. PMO Counsel Benjamin Perrin is also a lying sack of poo poo since his denial of all involvement in the Wright Duffy negotiations has now been contradicted in RCMP documents filed in court, named as one of the half dozen people now involved in L'Affaire Duffy, but since he was obfuscating his involvement in an indictable offence it's a little more obvious why he was lying. DynamicSloth fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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DynamicSloth posted:Should be pointed out that Marjory Lebreton and James Moore are both huge lying sacks of poo poo since they both trotted out the Wright acted alone defence. I guess they were just desperate to keep a lid on those details while QP was still live. A few more questions may be asked about LeBreton's resignation (literally two days ago) as Government Senate Leader now.
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Polls! Windsor—Tecumseh NDP 50 PC 22 OLP 17 Ottawa South (!!) OLP 42 PC 38 NDP 17 London West PC 36 NDP 29 OLP 24 Etobicoke—Lakeshore (this was pre-candidates being selected) OLP 50 PC 26 NDP 21 These are all robopolls held over one day with not immensely big sample sizes, though, so. They didn't poll Scarborough—Guildwood. e: Flubbed the Ott-Sou numbers. Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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A lot closer than I would have expected in Ottawa South. Maybe it's going to be a tight race after all. The article says OLP 42, PC 38 though. Already saw a few John Fraser signs along Hunt Club yesterday.
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Harper is reaching for the plausible deniability line, after repeatedly stating "the facts are clear", "we have clearly stated" blah blah. A PMO guy said he was surprised if Harper wasn't brief. I'm thinking someone needs to put all of these statements together in a nicely produced video.
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Archer posted:A lot closer than I would have expected in Ottawa South. Maybe it's going to be a tight race after all. The article says OLP 42, PC 38 though. I've seen some signs up as well and all I can think of is how goofy the provincial Liberals logo looks.
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Nobody honestly believes Harper didn't know, if he hadn't his first reaction would have been to furiously and publicly upbraid and fire Wright, not heave him to his bosom and try to keep him in office for another week. The Conservatives think plausible deniability is the same thing as truth because Harper can never admit knowing to the Duffy deal because it was on its face a criminal act.
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Ottawa is now officially in mourning. Pack up the politics, folks, 'cause the entire city is about to get drunk and very, very depressed.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Ottawa is now officially in mourning. Pack up the politics, folks, 'cause the entire city is about to get drunk and very, very depressed. I know that whatever happens tonight, I won't remember it tommorow. Why 11? WHY?
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crowoutofcontext posted:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-planned-to-repay-duffy-from-party-funds-but-balked-at-cost-files-show/article13012003/ Why, exactly, are there all these entities lining up to pay off this tub of lard's ill-gotten extraction from the public purse? For the Conservatives to balk at the cost implies that they at least considering actually paying it - but why? As a goodwill gesture to a loyal 'one of their own'? Or something more sinister? Prior to all this happening, I definitely would've presumed Harper/the Party's stance towards Duffy would've been "tough poo poo, you had a good ride, but it looks bad for all concerned so get yourself a line of credit and sort it out"
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Lexicon posted:Why, exactly, are there all these entities lining up to pay off this tub of lard's ill-gotten extraction from the public purse? For the Conservatives to balk at the cost implies that they at least considering actually paying it - but why? As a goodwill gesture to a loyal 'one of their own'? Or something more sinister? Read any report about Duffy earlier than February and it's clear he had zero intention of paying anything, he could drag his heals for years and the most they could do to him is kick him out of caucus. The problem for the PMO is that the story continuing would inevitably lead to all the other festering corruption in the Senate including the Prime Minister's still loyal creature, Wallin. The CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY here was to bribe Duffy into paying in the hopes of making the story go away, if Nigel Wright was only acting in some altruistic defence of taxpayer money there are a bunch of other Senators' debts he could start picking up. Based on the documents released it looks like the RCMP are pursuing the quid pro quo on the other end as well following up on the link between Wright and Tkachuk.
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Dreylad posted:Any bets on what the cabinet shuffle is going to look like? Well we know Kent and Toews are being put out to pasture, I doubt there will be anything more shocking than that. Hilariously, Harper's new Senate strategy is to pretend it doesn't exist and exclude a representative from Cabinet.
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DynamicSloth posted:Well we know Kent and Toews are being put out to pasture, I doubt there will be anything more shocking than that. Apparently, the absence of a cabinet member in the Senate means that government bills can no longer originate in the Senate. There have been a bunch of government bills in the Senate lately, so this is a pretty substantial change. I'm happy any time the government takes steps to delegitimise the Senate.
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Is it normal to have Senators in cabinet, though? I thought it was a pretty unusual move in the first place for Harper to appoint one.
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It was unusual (though not unprecedented) for Harper to appoint a senator to cabinet as head of a department - Michael Fortier was Minister of Public Works, and it's been very rare for senators to score "real" cabinet posts. The Leader of the Government in the Senate, however, has almost always been a Cabinet post. Wikipedia says only one Leader of the Government in the Senate hasn't been in Cabinet up to now, in 1926. This'll be the first time ever a government does not have a cabinet member in the Senate, and therefore no representative of the government at all in the upper house. NDP thinking has been, incidentally, that the party would probably have to appoint one single Senator, or get someone to cross the floor, in order for the NDP to have a LGinS if it ever takes power. Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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DynamicSloth posted:Read any report about Duffy earlier than February and it's clear he had zero intention of paying anything, he could drag his heals for years and the most they could do to him is kick him out of caucus. The problem for the PMO is that the story continuing would inevitably lead to all the other festering corruption in the Senate including the Prime Minister's still loyal creature, Wallin. Humph, interesting analysis. Thanks.
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I wonder if Harper has written off the entire Senate caucus and is just hoping that a new batch of appointees will have someone capable of toeing the party line without embarrassing everyone.
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Pinterest Mom posted:It was unusual (though not unprecedented) for Harper to appoint a senator to cabinet as head of a department - Michael Fortier was Minister of Public Works, and it's been very rare for senators to score "real" cabinet posts. The Leader of the Government in the Senate, however, has almost always been a Cabinet post. Wikipedia says only one Leader of the Government in the Senate hasn't been in Cabinet up to now, in 1926. This'll be the first time ever a government does not have a cabinet member in the Senate, and therefore no representative of the government at all in the upper house.
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Pinterest Mom posted:It was unusual (though not unprecedented) for Harper to appoint a senator to cabinet as head of a department - Michael Fortier was Minister of Public Works, and it's been very rare for senators to score "real" cabinet posts. The Leader of the Government in the Senate, however, has almost always been a Cabinet post. Wikipedia says only one Leader of the Government in the Senate hasn't been in Cabinet up to now, in 1926. This'll be the first time ever a government does not have a cabinet member in the Senate, and therefore no representative of the government at all in the upper house. Interesting, I didn't know that- thanks! A funny way of dealing with the Senate, but if it makes it easier to eventually reform or abolish the thing I'm happy. With any luck, if the NDP ever takes power, they won't have to deal with that antiquated institution for very long.
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Cost Cowboy and Rollback Viceroy Toronto defender and economic mender Blatant attacks won't make him collapse Cause Mayor Ford will bounce right back Mayor Ford, the world remembers! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oUx-Q-XD08
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Helsing posted:Cost Cowboy and Rollback Viceroy
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Helsing posted:Cost Cowboy and Rollback Viceroy Why? Why does this exist? ... then again, it could be worse. This is an official ad run by Mitch McConnell, leader of the Republican caucus in the US Senate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euVkDbQz144
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Helsing posted:Cost Cowboy and Rollback Viceroy This belongs in the OP.
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JESUS CHRIST that song. - I was here to post this, which is also, TBH, pointless distraction: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/07/02/turks-and-caicos-canadian-province-goldring_n_3536143.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false About a potential "tropical province"
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 that video...crowoutofcontext posted:I was here to post this, which is also, TBH, pointless distraction: This is apparently the first my wife has heard of our tropical suitors, and it is less fun that is should be telling her why it will never happen.
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Fiery explosions rock Quebec town as train carrying crude oil derails; hundreds evacuated Doesn't sound like anyone was hurt, but still pretty awful:   Can't wait for this to be used as an excuse to justify pipelines. e: here's a full gallery that really illustrates the level of destruction: http://imgur.com/gallery/GZQKA Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jul 6, 2013 |
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JoelJoel posted:Can't wait for this to be used as an excuse to justify pipelines. It's already happening if you can bring yourself to read the comments on that NatPo article. 
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