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Can-O-Raid posted:I imagine that since humanity is portrayed as getting more and more psychic (psykic?) as time goes on, originally humans were almost all mild blanks like Bequin or the Tau. Like, if you took anyone from now forward into the 40k setting they'd be seen as a blank because even regular humans have evolved psyk sensitivity. That's why there's no one on Earth right now shooting lighting bolts and sprouting tentacles. Demiurge4 posted:A blank probably wouldn't be targeted to be an inquisitor. They're far too useful as a tool for any inquisitor who finds them to want to give them up. There are too few of them for any to have been selected as Inquisitors. In fact, I think I read somewhere that Eisenhorn was the first Inquisitor who even thought to use blanks as bodyguards. The Inquisition only has a handful at its disposal so it is unlikely that any of them will find their way into the Inquisition's exclusive ranks. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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EyeRChris posted:It feels like if The EMP just let Angron have his last stand / honorable death and recorded it with Servo-skulls the War Hounds would have been the most loyal of the legions. Angron would have been a martyr of loyalty to friends and humanity and the hounds would have been the line of defense for humanity. They could have been the legion standing their ground against the encrouching Nids. That, or just dropped to the planet with a bunch of custodians and astartes alongside him and RUINED the enemy. What better father and son bonding experience than swooping in, kicking a planet's rear end, having a beer and saying "good job son, here's your legion of sons who will fight to the death for you and your people. Oh, let me help you with those things in your skull"? If Angron had the same "back to back moment in a huge war" moment that Horus had with his father, who knows? Then again, if the Big E was a good father none of this would have happened and we wouldn't have much of a story. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to read an alternative, happier timeline with the galaxy conquered and a bunch of wacky adventures with demigod brothers squabbling. Russ and Angron breaking into Robute's wine cellar and getting roaring drunk or Kurze putting chewing gum in the Lion's hair.
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Dog_Meat posted:That, or just dropped to the planet with a bunch of custodians and astartes alongside him and RUINED the enemy. What better father and son bonding experience than swooping in, kicking a planet's rear end, having a beer and saying "good job son, here's your legion of sons who will fight to the death for you and your people. Oh, let me help you with those things in your skull"? If Angron had the same "back to back moment in a huge war" moment that Horus had with his father, who knows? Obligatory 
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Improbable Lobster posted:I really wish some of the "lesser" legions would get a novel or two set during the Heresy. I'd love to see the Iron Hands' slow descent into self-loathing technophiles or the White Scars whatever. There's some good Iron Hands stuff in Angel Exterminatus.
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ed balls balls man posted:Chris Wraight (who has a decent reputation round here) has a HH White Scars novel coming out at some point, they posted the cover art a while back on their Facebook page. Hunt for Voldorius is absolute garbage and should be avoided. If you mean Brotherhood of the Storm, it's already out. Though not a full length novel.
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There's some interesting Iron Hands short stories in one of the GD exclusive books. They're probably available in ebook format.mllaneza posted:I don't see Omegon, he should be on his hands and knees behind Guilliman so Alpharius can push him back and trip him. And why the hell is Corax looking at porn ?
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Dog_Meat posted:That, or just dropped to the planet with a bunch of custodians and astartes alongside him and RUINED the enemy. What better father and son bonding experience than swooping in, kicking a planet's rear end, having a beer and saying "good job son, here's your legion of sons who will fight to the death for you and your people. Oh, let me help you with those things in your skull"? If Angron had the same "back to back moment in a huge war" moment that Horus had with his father, who knows? Demiurge4 posted:Obligatory Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Baron Bifford posted:
It's sad, really. I'd quite like to see more stories where space marines have to be badass without power armor. Like Rambo, or something. Sneaky missions. I mean, especially the primarchs. Some authors (the good ones) make them out to be pretty much demigods, like in Betrayer when Angron, after having a building fall on him, digs his way deep down through the earth while buried alive, then back up again since he was going the wrong way, and THEN holds up a warhound Titan and prevents it from stomping on him and Lorgar. It's the most badass moment Angron gets. Really, what use do the Big E and his sons have for power armor, with all their mythical strength.
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A Primarch sounds like your average superhero. Magnus the Red vs Doctor Fate Angron vs Superman Sanguinius vs Shazam Lion'El vs Batman
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Baron Bifford posted:A Primarch sounds like your average superhero. No Batman vs the Night Haunter obviously. Anyone got any recommendations that aren't listed in the OP? VanSandman fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jul 6, 2013 |
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Dog_Meat posted:That, or just dropped to the planet with a bunch of custodians and astartes alongside him and RUINED the enemy. What better father and son bonding experience than swooping in, kicking a planet's rear end, having a beer and saying "good job son, here's your legion of sons who will fight to the death for you and your people. Oh, let me help you with those things in your skull"? If Angron had the same "back to back moment in a huge war" moment that Horus had with his father, who knows? Well my reasoning is that Angron's betrayal feels almost as a direct result of the Emp. Horus was corrupted by a magic mcguffin Fulgrum was mcguffined as well Logar didn't get the hint that his dad doesn't want to be worshiped as a god. Got butt hurt and went on a journey to find god. Perturabo didn't get enough glory by willing to get dirty to win sieges (maybe if Gulliman or Dorn showed gratitude he might not have been so quick to betray. But not really Emp's fault) Alpha/Omega - Who the gently caress knows what their plan was at this point Magnus - Hubris and his refusal to accept his mistake and take responsibility.
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VanSandman posted:No Batman vs the Night Haunter obviously. Try "The Macharius Crusade" trilogy by William King. There are two so far with the third coming out next year. I really enjoyed them.
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Speaking of recommendations that aren't in the OP, are there any solid books that feature the Tyranids as the primary antagonists? I like the lore of how stuff like Tyranid weapons function a lot.
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So much world building for a setting that is effectively static due to them not wanting to disrupt tabletop sales. I'm not sure how many more tales of an empire that has been acting retarded for ten thousand years I can take anymore. I think I'll email them my idea about a 900 page epic that as part of the central arc explains just how leman russ' can survive rail gun hits with their effective 250mm of steel armor. In the 3rd arc a deep cover Orc spy on terra finds a working M1A1 Abrams in a lost techno vault. He proceeds to take over the whole subsector.
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I don't understand how developing the world would hurt tabletop sales anyway. Do players care that much when playing the game?
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DO IT TO IT posted:Speaking of recommendations that aren't in the OP, are there any solid books that feature the Tyranids as the primary antagonists? I like the lore of how stuff like Tyranid weapons function a lot. The Cain books feature the Nids a few times as the primary villains. The Greater Good being the most direct with it.
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Baron Bifford posted:I don't understand how developing the world would hurt tabletop sales anyway. Do players care that much when playing the game? The backstory has pretty much driven itself down a dead end - the whole 40K setting is set up as humanity teetering on the brink of all-out cataclysm and everything pointing towards a grand finale as the 42nd millenium dawns. It would be possible to advance the timeline but the writers would need to tread a fine line between doing enough to justify the effort but everything without turning the whole setting on its' head. I've long said that advancing the timeline is something GW are better holding in their back pocket until they really need to do it and we're not there yet.
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Baron Bifford posted:I don't understand how developing the world would hurt tabletop sales anyway. Do players care that much when playing the game? How would advancing the storyline help sales? And how is it "developing the world" to do so? Keep in mind that any token storyline progression will be effectively the same because no matter what they're not going to actually end the universe and resolve all the conflicts. Change here is just the illusion of progress, there will be no actual ending to anything because that would be dumb. There are already tons of possibilities for what happens next so just make something up if that's really what you want. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jul 6, 2013 |
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Baron Bifford posted:I don't understand how developing the world would hurt tabletop sales anyway. Do players care that much when playing the game? Doubtful. Plus a lot of the interesting stuff hasn't really been covered at all. Like ADB's Black Legion series (which I am stupidly excited for), the entire Age of Apostasy (kinda hope they give this one to Chris Wraight at some point), stuff like that. Oh and now with the new Necron fluff you can tell some stories about them being weird as hell and the Imperium just not getting them at all.
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The Necrons have the right idea in that the best way to fight the monsters of the Warp is not putting your faith in a god of your own making but to cut yourself off from the Warp altogether. There's a fan theory that the Tyranids are creations of Old Ones who survived the War in Heaven by fleeing the galaxy. They're here to purge the galaxy of life, thus returning the Warp to a calm, pre-Chaos state.
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Baron Bifford posted:The Necrons have the right idea in that the best way to fight the monsters of the Warp is not putting your faith in a god of your own making but to cut yourself off from the Warp altogether. I like that theory. It'd be pretty cool if they weren't from totally outside the galaxy but from one of the satellite galaxies that orbit the Milky Way. Probably never going to be a thing that's revealed though. Edit: if this thread ever gets rebooted, I hope somebody goes through the thread and tallies up post counts so we can find out who cares too much about pew pew space mans the most. (I will probably be in the top ten) VanSandman fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jul 6, 2013 |
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Baron Bifford posted:The Necrons have the right idea in that the best way to fight the monsters of the Warp is not putting your faith in a god of your own making but to cut yourself off from the Warp altogether. That's a pretty bad idea considering that the price is dying and becoming a soulless husk.
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Cream_Filling posted:That's a pretty bad idea considering that the price is dying and becoming a soulless husk. I think the new Codex says they got better.
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Azubah posted:I think the new Codex says they got better. Well, the new codex says that if you're rich enough, your program is more realistic and doesn't degrade as bad but you're still a soulless copy of what you were when you were alive. They use the word "soulless" pretty frequently. If you're a commoner, then there's only a tiny spark of self-awareness left, just enough to torment you for all eternity. So much of the time, the few nobles with any identity left are stuck playing imaginary tea-party with their mindless vassals and growing slowly more deranged unless they distract themselves with other trappings of their former lives like scheming or killing stuff.
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Finished Salvation's Reach, and i felt that Abnett spent so long building everything up only to realize he had to meet a deadline, and crammed everything he possibly could into the last quarter of the book. Which was kind of disappointing. Now i am debating reading Night Lords, or re-reading and catching up on the HH. Is there any short stories for the Night Lords that i am supposed to read? UberJumper fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jul 7, 2013 |
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UberJumper posted:Finished Salvation's Reach, and i felt that Abnett spent so long building everything up only to realize he had to meet a deadline, and crammed everything he possibly could into the last quarter of the book. Which was kind of disappointing. Don't debate reading it, just do. Arguably contains the best Chaos marine characterisations in the BL. The short stories are quality reads, though they only loosely tie in. There is a moment in the third book when characters go 'ah we have this thing' and it kinda comes out of nowhere but it's in a short story. Read them if you can find them without getting the anthologies they're in though, they might be available individually as ebooks on BL's site.
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UberJumper posted:Is there any short stories for the Night Lords that i am supposed to read? There is The Core and Throne of Lies (Audio drama).
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Lead Psychiatry posted:There is The Core and Throne of Lies (Audio drama). I think there's also 'Shadow Knight' which is a prequel to Soul Hunter.
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Regarde Aduck posted:I think I'll email them my idea about a 900 page epic that as part of the central arc explains just how leman russ' can survive rail gun hits with their effective 250mm of steel armor.
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Arquinsiel posted:Now that I've gotten into historical gaming I really feel the need to go dig into how the published numbers stack up against IRL tanks. There's really very few published numbers and I think they also tend to change depending on who's presenting it. The stat sheet in IA1 second edition for a Leman Russ claims a weight of '60 tonnes' (which is appx. 66 US short tons), max road speed of 35 kph, and lwh dimensions of 7 x 4.86 x 4.28 meters. Which makes it very heavy (similar to an M1 Abrams, which is incredibly heavy), extremely wide and tall (way wider than an M1), and incredibly slow - like WWII ultra-heavy tank levels of slow. Overall, I think the weakest part of those numbers in terms of made-up numbers is the silly width, weight, and speed. Though obviously they're just for flavor and could mean anything or even just be miscalculated or underestimated. Armor is made of magic space materials like plasteel, so who knows how good it is, but apparently it's really good and doesn't mind shots hitting at right angles. Also supposedly they're super-cheap, super-maneuverable, run on any kind of fuel, can handle all sorts of crazy atmospheric conditions and gravity levels, etc.
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Cream_Filling posted:There's really very few published numbers and I think they also tend to change depending on who's presenting it. Honestly speedwise it seems to make sense, in Honour Guard it apparently took them days to reach the shrinehold even though it was only around 400km away.
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UberJumper posted:Honestly speedwise it seems to make sense, in Honour Guard it apparently took them days to reach the shrinehold even though it was only around 400km away. I thought they were going up a mountain trail during that, though. It's also just as possible to make up all sorts of rationalizations. Like saying that 35 kph is the max allowed speed by the munitorum because it allows for maximum fuel efficiency but in practice everyone knows they can go much faster.
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Cream_Filling posted:There's really very few published numbers and I think they also tend to change depending on who's presenting it.
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Cream_Filling posted:There's really very few published numbers and I think they also tend to change depending on who's presenting it.
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Fried Chicken posted:Those stats also result in things like the recoil from firing its main gun being enough that it should go flying. IITC the internal volume for the salamander works out to something where you'd have a dozen guys in 1 cubic meter. That is just the secondary propulsion system of the Leman Russ. How do you think it manages to get to the battlefield?
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Improbable Lobster posted:That is just the secondary propulsion system of the Leman Russ. How do you think it manages to get to the battlefield? Oh so it works like the tanks in Grand Theft Auto. Neat. Are the Ultramarines/Iron Warriors books any good? VanSandman fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Finished Soul Hunter which i thought was awesome. Something i didn't understand was So for the night lords its only been a 100 years since the siege of terra?  Also the exalted sends vraal to stop the dreadnought from waking, and at the same time is trying to be Abaddons buddy. Vraal dies, and nobody seems to care afterwords? Then he does a 180 personality wise and sides with Talos after a vision? I don't get any of his motivations.
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VanSandman posted:Oh so it works like the tanks in Grand Theft Auto. Neat. The Ultramarines books are pretty terrible, in my opinion. Some people liked the Iron Warriors books but I found his character to be a bit of a Mary Sue and annoying so I never finished them.
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UberJumper posted:Finished Soul Hunter which i thought was awesome. Something i didn't understand was So for the night lords its only been a 100 years since the siege of terra? More than likely everyone did know what was up with Vraal showing up to ruin the party, but chaos war-bands work more like organized crime syndicates. The guy on top sent him, so no one asked any questions. I'm pretty sure Talos knew exactly what was up. And as far as the Exalted changing his tune, that may make more sense later...
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